Technology - TT/Research

well we can, why not.

Operation "Maslenica"

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particion of bosnia maps variants

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M-90 Vihor
Prototype main battle tank




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M-92 Vihor

This teach tree can be unique for all nations

I will find pictures later

3.3.5.1. Development projects
The most important major projects a44-NIR equipment and programs in the JNA in the period since 1985. to
The 1990th year (for which research and development completed, and were carried out based on that
investment in the capacity of sub-contractors, won through to production prototypes or "0"
series, and transferred to the furnishing of JNA) are listed below, pursuant to
holders of:
a) Army
01. PO II missiles. generation of "Drug"
02. Infantry fighting vehicle SA-M80 with 30 mm cannon
03. Modification of a tank M-84 "The Chapel"
04th New domestic tank "Whirlwind"
05th 152 mm howitzer NORA-C (samopokretna)
06th Self-propelled 152 mm howitzer "NORA-B"
07th AUG-15 Project
b) Air Force
01. Multipurpose supersonic fighter "ON"
02. Flights for initial training "Swallow"
03. Self-propelled artillery system PA 30 / 2 mm with a laser-computer group
(LRG)
04th Self-propelled artillery system PA 30 / 2 mm from the radar-computer group
(RRG)
05th Fire control system (SUV) based on the LRG anti-aircraft gun (PAT)
30 / 2 mm
06th Air Defense Artillery System 40 mm "AS-83" - tow version
07th Air Defense Artillery System 40 mm "AS-83" - self-propelled
08th Air defense missile system "Strela-10M"
09th Missile air-ground "Grom"
10th Detection of low-flying targets "Sonic" (108.000 norm)
11th The system of electronic identification
12th Air Force reconnaissance equipment radiotehnicka VRTI
13th Unmanned aerial vehicle
14th Portable air defense missile system
15th Observation-sighting radar instrument for classical PA
c) RM
01. Rocket launchers C-64
02. Mine boat S-26
03. A new program of mine ("Hedgehog", "Flint", "Kosmaj", "Swallow")
04th A large patrol boat C-03
05th Missile submarine B-73
d) Command and Communications
01. The study of technical solutions promising OS system in the SFRY - Digital Integrated Communications System Disk
02. Radioteleprinterski system of 04-10kW, RTS-1kW/SV
03. Automated radiotehnicki reconnaissance system ARTIS (strategic + tactical)
04th The radar jammer C and X band - Air Force variant (R & D)
05th The radar jammer of all frequency bands - the earth version
06th Car field 9t
07th Car field 0.75 T
e) Other projects and programs
01. YU "Giraffe", the development of radar under license Swedish company "Ericsson"
02. TRN - radar sighting cannon
03. ARIS - Automated System radioizvidjacki
04th Arioso - Automatic radioizvidjacki and jamming system
05th INPOS - Information support OS
06th DPPI - digital panoramic display (91 497 norm)
07th ADAPT P-15 - Adaptation of P-15 radar (134,242 standard hours)
08th APP - Automatic receive data (88 550 norm)
09th VOST - Visual observation stations (39,555 standard hours)
10th EPS - Electronic planšeta segment (69 530 norm)
In earlier periods of NIR-a45 radena at the next higher research and development
projects in the areas of NGOs and teaching aids:
a) Army
First Anti-tank combat:
- Easy to hand weapons of the "Zolja"
- Rocket-propelled PO means "Osa-2"
- PO portable tool 82 mm
- SA-341 helicopter armed with "Maljutka" and "stick 2M"
- "Osa-1"
- 2 generation missile with semi-automatic laser and by conducting
- 100 mm bullet potkalibarni
Second PVO
- Upgraded PA top 30 / 2 mm
- PA lightweight missile system "Strela 2M"
- PRM programmed missile target for PA-200 missiles
- Start of development of the "Sonic" and guns from 30 to 40 mm and "Stick 1M" and
modernization "Strela 2M"
Third Infantry and anti-personnel resources:
- Active-reactive mine 120 mm
- 7.9 mm sniper system M76
- Lightweight 120 mm mortar
- Start of development of small arms streljaèkog cal. 5.56 and .45 mm
4th Fire Support
- VBR "fire" 128 mm
- NORA howitzer 152 mm
- Artiljerski computer systems
- Ammunition for 122 mm howitzer D3
- Proximity lighters for 122, 130 and 152 mm
- Helicopter for reconnaissance and artillery fire control
- Start of development of radar for detecting the position of the MB and artillery launchers
the range of 50 km
5th Combat vehicles
- Line SRL-M80
- Beginning of SUP T-55 tanks, a new medium tank, designated
SRL-armored variant with a 30 mm cannon
6th Enginery
- Anti-tank mines dielectric-destructive PTRM6
- Mine action-oriented dispersion
- Sabotage lighters
- Set to air
- Easy improvised suspension bridge
7th NBC
- Pralidoksim and atropine
- Universal personal decontamination kits
- Horse mask
- Begin development of new protective masks, devices for determining the parameters
nuclear explosions, radiological detectors and neutron dosimetry
8th Applied research
- A new kind of gunpowder and explosives
- 18 different composition of the pyrotechnic mixture
- 15 types of specialty metal and plastic materials
- Research carbon fiber chambers of rocket engines
- External Ballistics: theoretical and experimental methods of police and artillery
racunarnih system
- Raketodinamika: the problem of separation of rocket aircraft, the method of complex
aerodynamic calculations, automatic processing of missile tests
engine
- Physics of the explosion: explosive spark process, the propagation of shock
wave through plastic materials, filling factors of cumulative penetration
- Conducting missile: infrared locator, electronic guidance and control,
conducting radio-command, head samovodjenje and laser marker
PT aims missiles, laser waging
- Optoelectronics and laser techniques: II. generation of laser range finders and
Hand-held laser rangefinders, YAG crystal, flash and Laser diodes, IC
detector "arrow of 2M", semi-automatic guidance system and missile
laser radiation detector, intensifiers nišanskih devices, malogabaritni
proximity lighter
b) Air Force
First Aviation and Helicopters
- Plane "Supergaleb"
- Plane "Utva-75"
- Prototype aircraft "Eagle-1"
- Modernization of the helicopter SA 341
Second Aeronautical Armaments:
- GS-top 23LYU
- Air-ground missiles 128 mm
- Lighter UTU-M74M
- Honeycomb 16-tube launcher
- Bulk carrier bombs
- Bomber lock
Third Radio-radar means
- Radio unit 'fallow-3S "(communication helicopter - Army)
- Markerni radio beacon
4th Terrestrial insurance
- Flight simulator for the "Eagle-1"
- Cabins KV-2 VON-SSU
- OC moving cab KM BLOOD VAK and the Air Force's
5th Aircraft equipment and electronics
- More resources aircraft equipment
- Laboratory production of composites and titanium in the country
c) RM
First Ships and vessels
- 301 rocket gunboats RTOP
- River minesweeper type 331
- Assault boats 601 and 603
- Torpedo submarine B-72
- Submarine rescue ship for up to 300 m
Second Underwater weapons and equipment
- Nekontaktna mines AIM-M70
- A small depth charge
- New explosives TAH-76
- Mine anchor nekontaktna MNS-M-90
Third Maritime diversion devices and equipment:
- R-1 submarine
- Diving belt
- Universal underwater container
- Diving podizac load RL-M74
- Underwater container 128 mm rocket launcher
- A small hand grenade protudiverzantska
- Plastic explosives underwater
4th Electronic devices and equipment
- More new hydroacoustic devices for preventing of the observation of narrow
passage
d) Command and Communications
First Links and cryptography, PEO, reconnaissance and technical protection
- Modern radio devices HF and VHF
- Telegraph and telephone automation in stationary traffic
ties
- Improving the quality of the work of radio and telephone links
- Radar detector PMD-1, reconnaissance radar to 2 km and an antenna
- A system of external protection of buildings
- Systems Research PEO jamming and radar station
- Development of devices for cryptography of speech
- Development of devices for cryptography written text (KZU-1, 21, 31, 41, 43)
Second Other
- Transit automatic telephone exchange (ATC) C-7 and end-ATC
- Hoping - the development of HF radio with frequency hopping devices
- Development of RRU-9-B
- Development of the RTU-100 and 400
- Development of VHF RUP RU-1, 2, 12, 2/2K
- Development of RU RU VF-20, 3
- Development of 35 W amplifiers
- Development of radio telephone unit FM-66/33, 66/17, 66/17F, 69/20
- Development of a single-phone devices and TF FNT
e) Insurance Background
First Technical Insurance - workshops and special tools
- Mobile workshop for maintenance of instruments and aiming devices and
electronic works
- Complete spec. tools for infantry armament 7.62 mm on the vehicle FAP
- Prototype devices for testing pipe nagrizenosti small arms
- Maintenance kit for ammunition
- Mobile versions of workshops for LR, the machine works and kits
lubrication
Second Technical assurance - Electrical Engineering
- 7 types of electric generators
- 9 types of devices to maintain the battery
Third Technical security - protection of TMS and ammunition
- New methods to protect metal surfaces and control
- New methods of forecasting stability and useful life of gunpowder and
explosives
4th Technical security - supply
- Maths models for the rates r / dip / m according to the levels
- Project information system maintenance
5th Traffic insurance - non-combat vehicles
- More cars (0.75 t, 1.5 t, 3t, 6t), 8t truck, 23/25t, tank
7000 l water and others.
- More than one type of car trailers and special vehicles
- Funding of integrated transport (pallets, forklifts)
6th Quartermaster insurance
- New kitchen 300 l
- Packaging for food transfer
- Sets mesarskih unit
- New technological process for longer shelf life of bread
- New war uniforms M77 and others.
7th Medical Insurance
- New laboratories for microbiological and toxic-chemical research
- New autoclaves and apparatus for distilling water
- Improve methods of prevention
8th Veterinary insurance
- Transmitting equipment wooden slaps
- BOT method of proof in foods and feeds.

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Hax said:

This is made by JRHINDO.

What happened with these plans?

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Technically its still in the mod, only it wont be in tech tree form.

With Hogar we figured that advances in models is not realistic to the situation in the region, only some parts of the armies were upgraded, but actually most of the successor states are behind the true power of 1990 JNA. The successors only used the material they inherited or captured, and have not produced any Yugoslav designed weapons. The only real weapons they "researched" is the new tanks, M90 and M92 in Serbia and Croatia. There was the jet plane prototype, the 'Novi Avion' made in cooperation with Dassault (it actually became the basis for the Rafale).
But I had also searched for negotiations, and various other failed weapon agreements. I found that JNA, and successor states had tried to import a lot of new weapon designs both from the west and the east. Newer AK, BMPs, jets, bombers, armored vehicles...
And obviously there was financial operations by outside powers, to take advantage of the situation. EU invests in the Dalmatian coast for tourism, the Saudis build mosques, Iran bought out industrial designs, Russia funded some industrial-arms complexes, USA made some cheap labor factories, etc...

All of this was the original design in the tech tree, now it will be in decisions and events. Very much like the import units in DH.
Also Hogar is gonna plan Doctrine techs, this is all we would need.

Hax said:

So throughout the whole game the player will have the same model/level on infantry, armoured troops, militia etc.?

Okay good that we have the military doctrines left but I would like that we also spare "Units", where you upgrade your infantry, motorized, mountain units. Yes I know that all forces used weapons taken from JNA but it would be nice to at least minor improve the stats of the units just to have something to develop. And some variation of the models would be nice. Is it not boring to see the same model pictures in the whole campaign. :unsure:

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It was actually a JRH's idea to use events. I've written 3 decisions which are in the game already but not tuned. The idea is that after you have a certain number of a unit type, model = x player gets a decision to open up next mode (x+1).
I've grouped them by IC levels but this is poorly balanced. Have a look at event/misc.txt for details.

Hax said:

Well I like the idea of events and decisions but I would still like that the player is able to upgrade some stuff via techs. I understand that we don't need like for navy or air doctrines but at least it should be able to upgrade certain unit types via events, maybe some rare ones(motorized, armoured, mountaineer) while those the player have a lot of like militia is upgrades via decisions/events. Do you understand what I mean? o

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Our thinking was based on following ideas... All of the Yugoslav republics had more or less the same knowledge how to build weapons or USE them. This is confirmed leter when republics had choice, they did not buy or develop entirely new concepts. Example: Croatia bought MIG21's and Macedonia tanks T72/T55. Reason is not only the price or availability but they had trained staff for it. Bosnia did not build elite well armed units in 1992, not because Bosnians did not know how to build them. It was because they had to push to get more people armed rather then arming few people well. This is the process we need to model!
Once you build enough units of certain type you choose which way you will take your armed forces next.
Another example: Bosnian's first tried to obtain as many mortars as possible. Look at the requests send to Zagreb for arms deliveries. They are all about small arms ammo and mortars. They are not asking for howitzers. Again, this is not because Bosnians did not know how to use them, in fact they knew very well how to make them (and they still do). I hope you see the point.

Technology in that case means very little. Very few advances were made and probably only Croatia developed completely knew factories for mass weapons production, but even that was based on previously acquired knowledge/technologies. We can extend ourselves to create a tech tree but that should really cover doctrines. Some doctrines should unlock some units but we have to make a call which ones. IMO that can only be models that JNA did not have or was only developing them... For me these are various elite units and perhaps HQ (to represent advances in command/communications).
So let's see what JRH comes up with and then we can see which tech could be used to unlock.

I think this is exactly what you want anyway but I wanted to summarise thinking leading to decision. It was not meant to be a lesson.

Cheers.

@Hax
New task for you please. This is about techs balancing. As I was explaining in the main thread, land Docs was really job done quickly with a bit of randomness. I've picked the techs according to what they sounded like a country could need.
Could you add up all effects by year so we can see how balanced they are? Post results here so we can have a discussion...

Idea is to give some defensive techs to Croatia and Bosnia in the first years and some offensive in the later. Serbs should depend a lot on firepower and some techs to help manpower management and containment towards 1995.

Well, each technology in the path has some effects. Just add them all up and let me know what you think.
You have the latest version and I've made no updates to it.

Common techs are territorial defense and total defense. Other are country specific. See if they are balanced or if you would like more techs inserted.

Land tech


Yugoslav concept of defence was based on using Territorial Defence units (TO) to slow down enemy while JNA would be used on major enemy attack routes. Idea was that enemy would be slowed down, drawn into attritional war with major units retreating to central parts of the country. Partisan war would be last stage in the conflict and all units were trained in that warfare. TO units were under equipped and manned by Republics.

Territorial Defence is tech is hence known to all sides in the war and represents the basic starting point.
Total Defence is know concept from other mods. Here it is used as a step between JNA and TO units hence only Yugoslavia will start with this tech.
From that point there is a dispersion into 3 branches.

Bosniaks used the terrain into their advantage and had overwhelming manpower. They also had to develop effective way to fight technically superior enemies.
Croats initially used typical TO approach; drawing enemies into cities, slowing down Serbs while in later years tactics depended on superior artillery and special forces.
Serbs developed tactics using its superiority in heavy arms and in later years on mobile defence and quick reaction forces.

Tech tree is meant to model these transitions for each side.

National ideas are similar concept we had in other Paradox games. We wanted to use this to mode AI behaviour and encourage players to achieve these ideas. Here are some possible choices for NIs:
Serbs: Yugoslavia, Great Serbia and Greater Serbia.
Croats: Great Croatia or Greater Croatia

Other Techs are not there so if you have any ideas let me know. Any comments are welcome.

Hax said:

The military techs looks awesome!

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Thanks. Start looking at tech teams for all countries .

Hax said:

It would be great if we also could add Bosniak and Albanian national ideas. Have you made some national province giving events when Croatia or Serbia researches the 'Great' or 'Greater' techs?

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Each major country will have similar tech. I think we would trigger an event adding cores, some event will be influenced by the Ideas, etc...

Hax said:

I remember that we talked about having techs to approach the West, East and Middle east for gathering weapons. Have we thrown those ideas in the garbage can or are those still under "Secret Weapons"?

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I think JRH was especially keen on this. I would like this very much as long as we can make it balanced... or these can make non-Serb parties even the odds to win.

In short this is an invitation for a volunteer to take over this area... Anyone?