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    Alas, I am sorrowful. The Marxists seem to simply be too strong, too numerous. The cries of the Anarchists, Socialists, and Centrists go unheard as the unquestionable Marxist majority squashes everyone elses' thoughts and opinions. I do not know how long this will last, but they've already gone ten years; who is to say they will not reign for another ten, and then another ten after that, and so on and so forth, until all thought is Marxist, and all those who question such thoughts will be singled out and destroyed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt_everos View Post
    Any opposition to Marx is ludicrous. He has so far proven a far more capable leader than any other of the time, and thats on his bad days. Anarchists step out of line when they voice against him, and they would see that the VSVR crumbles. Without our inspiring leadership, the vile Bourgeoisie nations that surround us would pounce. We would be decimated. Step back and realize what you might be doing as an Anarchist, what that next bomb might accomplish. Only Marx can protect the proletariat who make up our People's Republic.
    If Marx has no opposition, he is a dictator. A dictator is a direct contradiction to the People's revolution! And stop with the lies about Anarchists! Just because a few extremists through a bomb or two you label us all, you bourgeois fiend!

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    An newspaper being published to undermine the government is the last thing our revolution needs. We should allow these newspapers out into the open, where they can be safely dealt with in a peaceful fashion.
    Marx's current government does not allow the open publication of the newspaper. If it did, of course it would be out in the open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Marx's current government does not allow the open publication of the newspaper. If it did, of course it would be out in the open.
    Yes, this is why I would love to vote for a liberalizing platform that was not attached to calls for the head of a high member of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keynes2.0 View Post
    Yes, this is why I would love to vote for a liberalizing platform that was not attached to calls for the head of a high member of government.
    When did I call for Marx's head? I just want him out of the seat of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    The cries of the Anarchists, Socialists, and Centrists go unheard as the unquestionable Marxist majority squashes everyone elses' thoughts and opinions.
    You do realise most Centralists and many Socialists supported the Marxists in this election?
    Many, including myself, have recognized that while there may be some Marxist policies we disagree with, the Marxists will lead our country in a progressive direction and improve the lot of the working man, while the foolish naivety of the Anarchists will lead to regressive social policies and a weakening of our ability to ward off the imperialists that surround us.

    This view has only been vindicated by the inflammatory and anger filled words directed by a section of the Anarchists against our democratically elected chairman, based on suspicion rather than fact, and occurring before the new Central Committee has even sanctioned any policies. I stress however that this has only been the actions of a few misguided Anarchists who are getting ahead of themselves. The last Marxist chaired Central Committee comprised the breadth of skills and experience derived from the broad range of intra-party delegates and dialogue and I am certain the current Central Committee will as well.

    I urge the party as a whole to uphold unity and solidarity at such a critical time for our fledgling people's republic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalelovil View Post
    I urge the party as a whole to uphold unity and solidarity at such a critical time for our fledgling people's republic.
    Unity is worthless if it is imposed, even if it is imposed by elected people. If there is unity, it must come from free discussion, free association and free participation on the part of all involved. The people, being affected by our decisions, are most certainly involved, as are all parts of the party, regardless of the Chairman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    When did I call for Marx's head? I just want him out of the seat of power.
    When did I ever say you did? I was referring to the fact that the anarchist platform called for Blanqui to be arrested. Arresting a leading politician is a dangerous step, not to be taken lightly. I'd love to vote for a free press, I just don't want to vote for a civil war.

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    Can I just say that I liked Ricainfier's idea of the Anarchist Zeal newspaper and Anarchist rallies. I'll try to include them in the next update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Alas, I am sorrowful. The Marxists seem to simply be too strong, too numerous. The cries of the Anarchists, Socialists, and Centrists go unheard as the unquestionable Marxist majority squashes everyone elses' thoughts and opinions. I do not know how long this will last, but they've already gone ten years; who is to say they will not reign for another ten, and then another ten after that, and so on and so forth, until all thought is Marxist, and all those who question such thoughts will be singled out and destroyed?
    To start with, the cries of anarchists, socialists and centrists have been heard in the past, by them being in Marx's cabinet and given important positions within the People's Republic. Furthermore, the marxists have never sought to single out or destroy anyone. Why is it that the non-marxists can't respect democratic elections? Now, we've even vastly expanded democracy with the inclusion of the Worker's Vote. How can it be dangerous, anti-democratic or anti-pluralistic that many people use their right to vote for a competent government? The only ones that have tried to single out and destroy anyone are the radical anarchist bomb-throwers, and Blanqui.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier
    If Marx has no opposition, he is a dictator. A dictator is a direct contradiction to the People's revolution! And stop with the lies about Anarchists! Just because a few extremists through a bomb or two you label us all, you bourgeois fiend!
    Not having any opposition does not mean that someone is a dictator. First of all, marxism isn the same thing as following Marx. It's a theory for understanding social and economical developments; it's a means to find the way to the state-less and class-less society. If the entire people would support it, would that make it dictatorial? No, it would just mean that people want a different society. However, none of this is the case - there is an opposition, which is free to debate party matters in the party press, campaign for votes in the party elections as well as the people's elections. The fact that most of the people don't support anarchism can't be blamed on the marxists - the anarchists themselves are responsible for it, by supporting policies that the people don't want, like stopping social reform.

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    Unity is worthless if it is imposed, even if it is imposed by elected people. If there is unity, it must come from free discussion, free association and free participation on the part of all involved. The people, being affected by our decisions, are most certainly involved, as are all parts of the party, regardless of the Chairman.
    When was unity within the party imposed? On the countrary, open discussion within the party is encouraged, and everyone gets to vote. If the anarchists don't accept that, they're the ones who are being dictatorial.
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    The people will be freer in a dictatorship under Marx than under a democratically-elected Anarchist government. One demonstrates strength while the other endorses weakness.
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    I, myself a proud Anarchist, applaud the Marxist victory. Having the Marxists in power, who are fellow internationalists, will surely secure out ultimate goal of achieving Communism. I can not refuse that the rule of our Marxists brethren has created a prosperous nation with a booming economy, but I do still press the issue of our state controlled press.

    I strongly suggest that both our factions cooperate to create a more free press, and that Anarchists support social reforms, in particular our healthcare system. Being a moderate Anarchist, I strongly disapprove of the radical Anarchist wing in our faction, and I wish that the opposition to our party do not put of all us into the classification as "anarchist bomb-throwers"

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    I, myself a proud Anarchist, applaud the Marxist victory. Having the Marxists in power, who are fellow internationalists, will surely secure out ultimate goal of achieving Communism. I can not refuse that the rule of our Marxists brethren has created a prosperous nation with a booming economy, but I do still press the issue of our state controlled press.

    I strongly suggest that both our factions cooperate to create a more free press, and that Anarchists support social reforms, in particular our healthcare system. Being a moderate Anarchist, I strongly disapprove of the radical Anarchist wing in our faction, and I wish that the opposition to our party do not put of all us into the classification as "anarchist bomb-throwers"
    I substantively agree with this. Some members from other factions want to wave the bloody shirt and tar us all with the actions of a few overzealous fellows, and when we point out when a few individuals in the other factions of the Party are overzealous, they jump up and down and say we are dastardly counterrevolutionaries. Not everyone is so unreasonable, of course, but it does grate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Anarchist comrades! We cannot let that vile Marx and his cronies continue to destroy our chance at paradise! The underground newspaper, the Anarchist Zeal (in German, French, and Dutch editions of course), is being spread to the masses. We need to show the proletariat the way to true liberty and expose the lies of Marx! With the momentum from the Zeal, we need to organize rallies in Brussels, Antwerp, Cologne, and Aachen to show our power and support. We can use the Worker's Vote to our advantage. if we show enough worker's the true way, we will be victorious! Viva Anarchisme!
    Comrades I do to some extent agree with these measures. We do need a paper and we do need to get in contact with the proletariat in the cities to influence the workers vote. We should however also go among the agricultural proletariat which have been left out of the workers vote -even though they are as much members of the working class!

    There we should build a union base and threaten with a general strike if the agricultural proletariat is not allowed to vote.

    I do however disagree with the firebrands - this is not the time for sectarianism and splitting. We are still surrounded by reactionaries and we have a lot of common ground with the Marxists do not forget that!
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    What so many of our comrades seem to have hastily forgotten is that we already have a People's Newspaper, and a perfectly good one too. Surely the constant cries for press from from the party's anarchist right is simply another excuse for the anarchists to gain power and influence. Comrades, another rebellion is upon us...
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    I have yet to hear a good reason for our People's Republic to allow capitalist private press. The commonly own press of the Republic is free for all party members to debate in, and is an excellent way of reaching the masses of the proletariat. Why should we allow the wealthy and powerful to start newspapers of their own with which to spread their propaganda and undermine the revolution? A much more reasonable demand would be for a large-scale expansion of the People's press, of its reach and the possibility for party members to write in it. This way, we'll keep the press in the hands of the revolutionaries, regardless of faction allegience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raph View Post
    I have yet to hear a good reason for our People's Republic to allow capitalist private press. The commonly own press of the Republic is free for all party members to debate in, and is an excellent way of reaching the masses of the proletariat. Why should we allow the wealthy and powerful to start newspapers of their own with which to spread their propaganda and undermine the revolution? A much more reasonable demand would be for a large-scale expansion of the People's press, of its reach and the possibility for party members to write in it. This way, we'll keep the press in the hands of the revolutionaries, regardless of faction allegience.
    Marx has his hands all in the state press. I mean he has his picture on every front page man!

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    I still don't understand why some are so negative towards the Marxists... They have lead the nation to great success in the last five years, and there is no reason why they will not continue to lead us to success in the next five. I can understand the want for a free press, but that is no reason to wholeheartedly bash the Marxists. No one can deny that the Marxists have enacted extremely effective and necessary social reforms, have created a booming industry, and have improved the lot of the worker. It is absolutely ridiculous to trash the Marxists given how successful their rule has been so far. At least wait until they actually do something undesirable before moaning and whining about them.

    There of course should be opposition, but can that opposition at least be reasonable and recognize the successes of the Marxists while simultaneously pushing for their own reforms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Marx has his hands all in the state press. I mean he has his picture on every front page man!
    As with all the proponents of private press, you haven't answered my question. Why should we allow private capital to fund propaganda in our nation?
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    OK, I've made a little update where you get a look at the GPs, the world map and my industry.

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