Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[Tanzhang (譚張)]

I never thought I'd say this but I may vote marxist-Leninist at the next elecection!(it may come down to whether they're still called that). I'm suprise you killed off Lenin, he didn't for more than 20 years RL. Still, if it reforms the M-Ls, it for the greater good! Also, what's the newspaper situation, did Unity dissolve?

Well to be fair he did enter the AAR some twenty years early didn't he? It's only fitting he die twenty years early.

[Viden]

A great man passed away.

[HatMan]

A great man passed away.

Good thing we have a new one to take his place.

[Enewald]

Why didn't Finland get more lands?
Unfair!

Thank Marx that Lenin is finally dead!
Now we need to kill only Trotsky. Victory will be mine.

[Raph]

Why didn't Finland get more lands?
Unfair!

Thank Marx that Lenin is finally dead!
Now we need to kill only Trotsky. Victory will be mine.

What do you have against Trotsky?

[Seek75]

What do you have against Trotsky?

He's not an anarchist, democrat, luxemburgist, or sympathizer with any of the above. That's what he has against Trotsky.

[Tanzhang (譚張)]

A great man passed away.

Lenin may not have been popular with everyone, but even his rivals and detractors must admit that his policies were, on the whole, good for the VSVR.

Good thing we have a new one to take his place.

Indeed, Bronstein is by far the most effective leader our republic has seen since the late Blanqui, let us hope he doesn't suffer the same tragic fate.

[Enewald]

What do you have against Trotsky?

Not yet, but soon I will.
He is Russian.

Reason enough for me to start with.

And he is a ruthless Marxist. And a bolschewik. And he might have saved Finland.
And he is not an anarchist. Atop that, he is trying to get Lenin mantle. So, he inherits my feelings towards Lenin.

Makes sense? Politics often do.

[Tanzhang (譚張)]

He's not an anarchist, democrat, luxemburgist, or sympathizer with any of the above. That's what he has against Trotsky.

He also disapproves of barbaric practices such as cannibalism, I'm sure. No wonder Enewald hates him

[Enewald]

He also disapproves of barbaric practices such as cannibalism, I'm sure. No wonder Enewald hates him

Speaking of cannibalism, in OTL Trotsky's infinite wisdom led to cannibalism in civil war Russia...

Why does it always come to blaming me of eating babies?

[BigBadBob]

Gentlemen of the Parties! How long can we keep doing this? Russia should have been a warning sign. We suspect them of murdering our beloved chairman, and we declare war! We are inching ever closer to the capitalist states doing what they did almost a century ago against Napoleon! When they were all collectively threatened, they proved just as capable of banding together against a common enemy as socialism has. We must eliminate the VSVR's instinct for warmongering! It was good when we were a young nation, but we are now the world's foremost power! We should be a beacon of hope and a new beginning, like America is becoming, not a sign of an all-conquering superpower! Mark my words. The more we fight, and conquer, the closer we come to armageddon.

[Tommy4ever]

I did, but I'm not sure if it's the same reason as you? The political aspects of Trotsky and the PCP and the peasants are hilarious if you know anything about the OTL Peruvian maoists and Trotsky. If you're not interested in leftist poltiics, I guess PCP might be fun since it's a hallucinogen drug.

EDIT: Oh, and another great update? A sad period with Rosa and Lenin both dead, but I'm glad to see the direction Trotsky is taking the revolution, as well as having Liebknecht at the head of the Luxemburgists, hopefully this will let the Luxemburgists and Marxists-Leninists ally closer withough the old personal conflicts between Rosa and Lenin. Also, hopefully Thälmann will still play an important role in the Party organisation. Will we, BTW, see a more organized Roter Frontkämpferbund fighting the "True German" thugs?

I feel kinda embarassed that I didn't even think of the drug reference.

I'm not sure if the Marxist factions would like to become too involved with these political based street fights. However I'd imagine that unless something is done to sort the problems on the streets out the thugs on the ground will probably start ot become more organised.

I never thought I'd say this but I may vote marxist-Leninist at the next elecection!(it may come down to whether they're still called that). I'm suprise you killed off Lenin, he didn't for more than 20 years RL. Still, if it reforms the M-Ls, it for the greater good! Also, what's the newspaper situation, did Unity dissolve?

Why does the name matter to you?

The newspapers are still alive.

Why didn't Finland get more lands?
Unfair!

Thank Marx that Lenin is finally dead!
Now we need to kill only Trotsky. Victory will be mine.

Since the Russians were the attackers it was really difficult to make them give me anything. I had over 40 warscore and they were only just willing to give me that slice of Poland.

Speaking of cannibalism, in OTL Trotsky's infinite wisdom led to cannibalism in civil war Russia...

Why does it always come to blaming me of eating babies?

True, but you can't blame Trotsky for that can you?

The RL Trotsky was as brutal as he was successful (militarily - politically he was a massive failure with the Bolsheviks). For example he introduced decimation (ie the Roman punishment) to the Red Army.

Hopefully he won't be that bad in the VSVR timeline.

Trotsky is going to be the furthest Left (in my AAR definition) that we've ever seen. He'll also be the most anti-peasant. However he does promise a permanent revolution. BTW my plan to destroy the Habsburgs would involve editing the game a bit. So I would smash them in a war then edit them so A-H is disolved.

[Enewald]

Gentlemen of the Parties! How long can we keep doing this? Russia should have been a warning sign. We suspect them of murdering our beloved chairman, and we declare war! We are inching ever closer to the capitalist states doing what they did almost a century ago against Napoleon! When they were all collectively threatened, they proved just as capable of banding together against a common enemy as socialism has. We must eliminate the VSVR's instinct for warmongering! It was good when we were a young nation, but we are now the world's foremost power! We should be a beacon of hope and a new beginning, like America is becoming, not a sign of an all-conquering superpower! Mark my words. The more we fight, and conquer, the closer we come to armageddon.

This was not an aggression of VSVR, it was defending a member of the First International, the Tsarist forces attacked Finland first.
Warfare is the ultimate form of diplomacy, with better politicians we might have avoided all this bloodshed.

Choose betters words next time, comrade.

We must kill those who desire bloodshed, spreading the revolution is necessary and every mean is allowed.
But war is always the last option.

Warfare shaped humankind. Until there are more than two societies left, it will be with us.

And one state to rule the entire mankind. The less tyrants, the better.

But for now we must accept warfare as a tool of the revolution.

Bad blood must be flow away. Wars purge us.
That which is weak, dies. That which remains behind, that is hard and endures during aeons to come.

We all will die. But we can choose when, why and wherefore we die.
Shall we succumb to bourgeoisie stability and prosperous times of peace, or shall we fight until the last reactionary thought is annihilated?

[Dyranum]

...BTW my plan to destroy the Habsburgs would involve editing the game a bit. So I would smash them in a war then edit them so A-H is disolved.

Or you can free Hungary and then SoI-annex them.
EDIT: and/or release the states that are a part of A-H.
But wouldn't it make the most sense to turn it into another TTL Turkey? (I mean, we are actually against the idea of nationalism, eh?)

[keynes2.0]

The notion of the VSVR as an international organization is outdated and is what leads to the so called True Germans and the strife they have created. The VSVR needs to realize the new reality. The VSVR should remain a global hegemon, but should become a German nation and should release the peoples of Belgium and Poland.

[BigBadBob]

Enewald, I admit that the defense of Finland was an admirable cause, but we are becoming too eager to see war as a solution to our internal problems. It happened once more now. The people united to destroy Russia, but they did not unite for the defense of socialism. I believe that in driving toward a stateless society, we are ignoring one of, if not the most, important and destructive variables in the world. Human fallibility. Comrade Dyranum's signature quote says it well. Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former. If people are so willing to kill for the defense of their countries now, what happens when we take away the party members and let the people run amok? Will they simply forget the sense of pride and community that has existed since the dawn of time? I think not.

The reality is that the stage of development known as "communism", is no longer possible. Marx was wrong. If anyone, it is the peasants who had the chance to create that heaven on earth. The increasing move to the cities, rise in living standard, and most importantly, the birth of modern nationalism since the discovery of the new world have killed Marx's dream. The "proletariat" is a product of the capitalist urge to make money and feel more comfortable. They are eternally chained to the urge to make oneself more comfortable, and thus not the ones who could bring about a society where all is equal.

((Note: When I say modern, I mean 19th Century nationalism.))

[Tanzhang (譚張)]

The notion of the VSVR as an international organization is outdated and is what leads to the so called True Germans and the strife they have created. The VSVR needs to realize the new reality. The VSVR should remain a global hegemon, but should become a German nation and should release the peoples of Belgium and Poland.

No, it is you and the True Germans who need to wake up. The VSVR is an internationalist force, like it or not.

[BigBadBob]

No, it is you and the True Germans who need to wake up. The VSVR is an internationalist force, like it or not.

The True Germans are proof of why, no matter how hard we try, we are doomed to fail in the creation of the stateless society. We cannot erase the Germans' sense of pride in being German, nor the Brits' sense of pride in being British. Reality is coming toward the VSVR, and it's doing so like a freight train.

We say that the capitalist nations are like old men, hanging onto a dying system. The truth is that WE are the old men, grasping at a dream that was always out of reach.

[Konnigratz]

The True Germans are proof of why, no matter how hard we try, we are doomed to fail in the creation of the stateless society. We cannot erase the Germans' sense of pride in being German, nor the Brits' sense of pride in being British. Reality is coming toward the VSVR, and it's doing so like a freight train.

Nationalism is a by-product of ignorance and fear towards people of different cultures. With increasing education, and a focus on unity of the people rather than unity of "the nation", we can eventually eliminate the hideous demon that is nationalism. It shall take time, but a socialist utopia cannot be built in a day.

[Communard]

My condolences to Lenin's family and friends, and to our comrades in the Party who knew him personally. I have been nothing but the fiercest critic of Lenin, but although I disagreed totally with his methods, he genuinely believed he was doing what was right. Such fiery committment to Socialism is rare. To greet a death with glee over politics is unseemly, and I would remind my fellow anti-Leninists of this.

On a happier note, our armies are successful once again! Although we only took a small amount of land when it was clear that Russia could provide no resistance. It is a pity that a full occupation and empowerment of the Russian workers is impossible due to their vast, sparsely-populated terrain. I think that Russia is more condusive to home-grown revolution encouraged by the VSVR, since outright occupation is impossible.

The notion of the VSVR as an international organization is outdated and is what leads to the so called True Germans and the strife they have created. The VSVR needs to realize the new reality. The VSVR should remain a global hegemon, but should become a German nation and should release the peoples of Belgium and Poland.

One does not compromise with bourgeois nationalists and enforce a reactionary segregation of nationalities into different governmnets. If the people were so concerned with nationalism then a new German Socialist style faction would have emerged and won the Assembly elections. This not being so, we can assume these "true Germans" are a reactionary minority who should be exposed as such at every opportunity.