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    Quote Originally Posted by yourworstnightm View Post
    But then we need farmers, and the problem with them is that they aren't workers, thus they're enemies of the revolution.
    How will we survive once the rest of world embraces socialism then? Shall we eat rocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasing View Post
    People are cynical, they see good things and pick at the minor (sometimes major) Problems with the ruling party.

    (Also this whole "Goldman" stuff reminds me of 1984)
    Huh?

    poll!

    total vote: 62 - very good, the record is 70 so there might be a few more if we're lucky

    1st prefs

    M-Ls: 21 (still dominant)
    Anarchists: 15
    Revs: 13 (I'm still amazed how Sorel ran out to a large early lead and then his support collapsed)
    Lux: 12
    Dems: 1 (Bernstein thanks Keynes for his pitty)

    2nds

    Lux: 34 (almost exactly 2/3s of those votes are 2nd prefs)
    M-Ls: 26 (I'm not sure if this gap can be made up with so much of the vote already turned out)
    Revs: 26 (ditto)
    Anarchists: 24 (VERY solid performance here, I wouldn't put it past Goldman to overtake the Revs and M-Ls for 2nd place)
    Dems: 7

    So it seems that Rosa is going to retain the Chairmanship thanks to her being the only person no one else hates. Sure she isn't as loved as Lenin, Sorel or Goldman but Right wingers and pro-Peasants hate Lenin, Pro-Workers and more traditional socialists hate Sorel whilst the long lasting loathing of the Anarchists by much of the Party has never died.

    BUT! There is still time, it will just require a hell of a push by non-Luxemburgist factions.

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    Vote Revolutionary! Vote Sorel! You don't really want a faction that is coming fourth in 1st prefs to win do you? Sorel will solve all our ills! Sorel is the way forward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDude View Post
    Vote Revolutionary! Vote Sorel! You don't really want a faction that is coming fourth in 1st prefs to win do you? Sorel will solve all our ills! Sorel is the way forward!
    Yes. Down with Sorel and his reactionary drivel! Vote Anarchists! Vote Luxemburgists! Vote for a coalition of freedom and progress!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthippus View Post
    Yes. Down with Sorel and his reactionary drivel! Vote Anarchists! Vote Luxemburgists! Vote for a coalition of freedom and progress!
    The people shall judge us.

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    I think it's pretty certain that the Luxemburgists will win, since the prophet (Necazian) has voted for them.
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    1. Revolutionaries
    2. Marxist-Leninists


    I know it may be a weird combination of choices, but I'm bored with pacifism. I want another war, and these are the only 2 factions that offer that. Remember the good old days when moderate factions like the United Front would support a good war every now and then? I miss those days...

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    When do the polls close?

    Also are the revolutionarys popular among the people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenin Cat View Post
    When do the polls close?

    Also are the revolutionarys popular among the people?
    Tommorow at 3 PM UK time.

    In the country? Very much so. In the cities? Not so much.

    Remember that the Revolutionaries are essentially articulating long standing farmer greivances and mixing that together with Socialist thought. As you shall see by their new members on the CC their leadership is pretty varied.

    winsington's vote has closed the gap between the Revs and M-Ls and Luxemburgists lsightly but either or both of those factions still need a decent push to overtake Luxemburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    Tommorow at 3 PM UK time.

    In the country? Very much so. In the cities? Not so much.

    Remember that the Revolutionaries are essentially articulating long standing farmer greivances and mixing that together with Socialist thought. As you shall see by their new members on the CC their leadership is pretty varied.

    winsington's vote has closed the gap between the Revs and M-Ls and Luxemburgists lsightly but either or both of those factions still need a decent push to overtake Luxemburg.
    Look Tommy, this may sound unashamedly biased, but in an attempt to avoid being lead by a faction that came fourth in first prefs, could we have second prefs count for half as much as first prefs? Please?

    EDIT:On second thoughts, having realised that would mean Lenin would win, please don't! I'd prefer Luxemburg to lenin any day, even is Sorel would wipe the floor with both of them.
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    I dont like that idea, people may not put there favorate party in the first pref because they dont think they can win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDude View Post
    Look Tommy, this may sound unashamedly biased, but in an attempt to avoid being lead by a faction that came fourth in first prefs, could we have second prefs count for half as much as first prefs? Please?

    EDIT:On second thoughts, having realised that would mean Lenin would win, please don't! I'd prefer Luxemburg to lenin any day, even is Sorel would wipe the floor with both of them.
    Are you really so short sighted to change the entire electoral system based on the results you want for one election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    So it seems that Rosa is going to retain the Chairmanship thanks to her being the only person no one else hates.
    Nobody hates Bernstein either! They're all like "Bernstein? Of course I don't hate Bernstein. Who the devil is Bernstein?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourworstnightm View Post
    But then we need farmers, and the problem with them is that they aren't workers, thus they're enemies of the revolution.
    Introduce slavery. Problem solved. Enslave the farmers! There is no farming class, only the workers count! All else is gravel under the feet of the Party. We shall tread them; the path to a Worker's Paradise. How long did the farmers freely lend power to the kings and bourgeois, while the workers suffered under their heel? The farmers were accomplices, if not willing masters! Now is the time for retribution! Vote for Chairmen Lenin!
    Last edited by ZechsMerquise73; 04-01-2011 at 18:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourworstnightm View Post
    But then we need farmers, and the problem with them is that they aren't workers, thus they're enemies of the revolution.
    Honestly, you and your 'enemies of the revoloution'. The only enemies of the Revoloution are the capitalists, the aristocrats and all their lackeys. The producers shall own the means of production, and the farmers are the producers of food.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZechsMerquise73 View Post
    Introduce slavery. Problem solved. Enslave the farmers! There is no farming class, only the workers count! All else is gravel under the feet of the Party. We shall tread them; the path to a Worker's Paradise. How long did the farmers freely lend power to the kings and bourgeois, while the workers suffered under their heel? The farmers were accomplices, if not willing masters! Now is the time for retribution! Vote for Chairmen Lenin!
    It's nice to see somone totally discrediting the Marxist-Leninist position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Communard View Post
    Are you really so short sighted to change the entire electoral system based on the results you want for one election?
    I'd have changed it back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDude View Post
    It's nice to see somone totally discrediting the Marxist-Leninist position.
    Discrediting? I thought he was explaining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalanxia View Post
    Discrediting? I thought he was explaining!
    He was. Its the same thing where the M-L position on farms is concerned.

    The peasants may not achieve their rights this election, but the Long March to freedom is under way. The current revolutionary leaders may not be up to reaching the top job, but somewhere a future Revolutionary Chairman is already jotting down his thoughts in a little field-grey notebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZechsMerquise73 View Post
    Introduce slavery. Problem solved. Enslave the farmers! There is no farming class, only the workers count! All else is gravel under the feet of the Party. We shall tread them; the path to a Worker's Paradise. How long did the farmers freely lend power to the kings and bourgeois, while the workers suffered under their heel? The farmers were accomplices, if not willing masters! Now is the time for retribution! Vote for Chairmen Lenin!
    That's crazy, and definately not a marxist-leninist position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raph View Post
    That's crazy, and definately not a marxist-leninist position.
    Oh, so the Marxist-Leninists get a crazy guy who wants to enslave farmers and he's definitely not a Marxist-Leninist, yet when the Anarchists get Enewald they're all bat-shit crazy like he is?

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