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    Gentlemen. Doomsday is upon us. The VSVR will not survive this war. Should Trotsky slip up in the slightest, the Imperialist states will impose Capitalism, and even worse, truly multi-party democracy on us!

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    We will most certainly not be defeated. We have the power of advanced technology, the fruit of the socialist economy and the productive forces it has unleashed. We have superiour leadership and tactics, the fruit of education, a democratic spirit, and the abolishment of old aristocratic traditions within the army. We have a large, well-trained army hardened by half a century of struggle against the imperialists. We have a large, motivated force of worker's militias equipped with the most modern weapons. To oppose us, we have the coerced workers and peasants of the old empires, forced into service by the old feudal elites and by poverty and unemployment caused by the capitalists. The Russians and the Hapsburgs have already been thoroughly crushed by our forces in several wars. The French people is on the verge of revolution. The only realistic opposition, the Brits, are tied down in their occupation and oppression of the countless millions of workers and peasants in India.
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    Brothers, sisters one day the world wide revolution will come, but revolutionary war is not the way, all Trotsky will achieve from this is the end of our great society. War breeds nothing but hate, the very workers we should be reachign out too are being alienated as we kill their friends, family and loved ones. We should concentrate our resources on spreading the ideals of communism, supporting revolutionaires who are true to our ideals and giving refuge to any man trying to flee the oppression of the Old Regime.

    Not only is it morally wrong to force our comrades into submission to our whims it also threatens the intergrity of our great society, the more people we accept who have not welcomed us with open arms the more we have to fear from within, then the people will not only have Trotsky's authoritarian regime forced upon them but will have to fear each other, not knowing what people plan behind closed doors.

    We need to show the proletariat of other nations that there is a better life, another way. But we can only show them the path, not walk it for them. Are we any better now then the capitalist pigs trying to force us to regress too before the revolution? If we show our selves to be better, to truely stand for each and every man and woman then surely the intellectuals of other countries will realise this and respect us. If we are shown to be a paradise, the bench mark against which other men will judge their countrys, then surely the working classes of all countries will flock to the Communist banner.

    Is Trotsky really the hero the Marxists would have you beleive? Is he really here to spread the revolution or is there more to his actions than it at first appears? I put it to you comrades, that our beloved leader is no better than a fat cat capatilist who cares nothing about others so long as he gets waht he wants or the Imperalist Tsar sat on his throne who throws lives away like confetti. Knowingly or not Trotsky is paving the way for Imperalism...

    " Impearlism; the creation and maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."

    Is that not what this will lead too?

    Why do we need to expand our borders beyond that of our allready sprawling and prosperous land? Can we not allready support ourselves? Is what the great men, of the past 50 years, achiveded not enough? We are being greedy. And we cannot force our ideals on others, just as the revolution came to us when we where ready for it, so will it come to all those who are ready? We cannot cause such a change based on the whims of one man. We can only speed up the inevitable, the dawning of realisation on the working classes that they are not powerless and that there are other ways things can work.

    I call for every man, women and child who hold dear the ideals of our glorious state to oppose Trotsky, oppose this war, which will bring nothing to you but loss and hurt, and stop it before it's too late and we are all crushed under the boot of the capatilist, to oppose those who have betrayed the trust of the people, to call for the TGs to be reinstated.

    If Trotsky will not step down then I beleive the people will pull him down.

    Have the Soldiers been asked “Do you approve of this war, do you understand it?” No they have been given orders and have followed them, having faith in Trotsky to not throw their lives away. A trust that Trotsky sadly broke. It reminds me of Roman Emperors, throwing the lives of their subjects away to expand their empire, their rule, their way of thinking, to achieve glory, never caring about the cost in human life.

    We who are supposed to be enlightened are treating the prople who have trusted in us to help them govern like pawns in a game of chess. Is Trotsky not corrupting us into just another ruling class? The very thing we should oppose? There is no such things as a just war, such a thign only exists in Trotsky's war mongering propaganda.

    My affiliation is not important here, my number one priority is to preserve what we have worked so hard to build, and all people who share that priority with me will heed this call to arms. No matter your party, or your beleifs, if you are a true Communist and a true beleiver in the ideals of the revolution you must join me in opposing Trotsky. Opposing the Marxists. And opposing those who are corrupting the purity of the VSVR.

    And if we fail? Then you will have given everything you could for what your fathers fought for, the most pure and fair form of organisation that the world has yet seen. If we fail then we will be remembered as those stong few who held true to the ideals of the revolution in spite of the criticism we may receive from fools now. If we fail then men will cry when my prophesy proves true. If we fail to stop "Emperor" Trotsky now all future efforts will be pointless as there will be nothing left to save...

    Unite!

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    I beg for a United Front against Trotsky.
    He must be stopped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMStingray View Post
    Brothers, sisters one day the world wide revolution will come, but revolutionary war is not the way, all Trotsky will achieve from this is the end of our great society. War breeds nothing but hate, the very workers we should be reachign out too are being alienated as we kill their friends, family and loved ones. We should concentrate our resources on spreading the ideals of communism, supporting revolutionaires who are true to our ideals and giving refuge to any man trying to flee the oppression of the Old Regime.

    Not only is it morally wrong to force our comrades into submission to our whims it also threatens the intergrity of our great society, the more people we accept who have not welcomed us with open arms the more we have to fear from within, then the people will not only have Trotsky's authoritarian regime forced upon them but will have to fear each other, not knowing what people plan behind closed doors.

    We need to show the proletariat of other nations that there is a better life, another way. But we can only show them the path, not walk it for them. Are we any better now then the capitalist pigs trying to force us to regress too before the revolution? If we show our selves to be better, to truely stand for each and every man and woman then surely the intellectuals of other countries will realise this and respect us. If we are shown to be a paradise, the bench mark against which other men will judge their countrys, then surely the working classes of all countries will flock to the Communist banner.

    Is Trotsky really the hero the Marxists would have you beleive? Is he really here to spread the revolution or is there more to his actions than it at first appears? I put it to you comrades, that our beloved leader is no better than a fat cat capatilist who cares nothing about others so long as he gets waht he wants or the Imperalist Tsar sat on his throne who throws lives away like confetti. Knowingly or not Trotsky is paving the way for Imperalism...

    " Impearlism; the creation and maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."

    Is that not what this will lead too?

    Why do we need to expand our borders beyond that of our allready sprawling and prosperous land? Can we not allready support ourselves? Is what the great men, of the past 50 years, achiveded not enough? We are being greedy. And we cannot force our ideals on others, just as the revolution came to us when we where ready for it, so will it come to all those who are ready? We cannot cause such a change based on the whims of one man. We can only speed up the inevitable, the dawning of realisation on the working classes that they are not powerless and that there are other ways things can work.

    I call for every man, women and child who hold dear the ideals of our glorious state to oppose Trotsky, oppose this war, which will bring nothing to you but loss and hurt, and stop it before it's too late and we are all crushed under the boot of the capatilist, to oppose those who have betrayed the trust of the people, to call for the TGs to be reinstated.

    If Trotsky will not step down then I beleive the people will pull him down.

    Have the Soldiers been asked “Do you approve of this war, do you understand it?” No they have been given orders and have followed them, having faith in Trotsky to not throw their lives away. A trust that Trotsky sadly broke. It reminds me of Roman Emperors, throwing the lives of their subjects away to expand their empire, their rule, their way of thinking, to achieve glory, never caring about the cost in human life.

    We who are supposed to be enlightened are treating the prople who have trusted in us to help them govern like pawns in a game of chess. Is Trotsky not corrupting us into just another ruling class? The very thing we should oppose? There is no such things as a just war, such a thign only exists in Trotsky's war mongering propaganda.

    My affiliation is not important here, my number one priority is to preserve what we have worked so hard to build, and all people who share that priority with me will heed this call to arms. No matter your party, or your beleifs, if you are a true Communist and a true beleiver in the ideals of the revolution you must join me in opposing Trotsky. Opposing the Marxists. And opposing those who are corrupting the purity of the VSVR.

    And if we fail? Then you will have given everything you could for what your fathers fought for, the most pure and fair form of organisation that the world has yet seen. If we fail then we will be remembered as those stong few who held true to the ideals of the revolution in spite of the criticism we may receive from fools now. If we fail then men will cry when my prophesy proves true. If we fail to stop "Emperor" Trotsky now all future efforts will be pointless as there will be nothing left to save...

    Unite!
    First of all, you're making the error of believing that 1) the opressed peoples of the world are allowed to democratically oppose their rulers (be it political or economical rulers) and 2) that the soldiers of the armies of the imperials are somehow voluntarily fighting against us. They've been forced into service by the capitalist system. If there's anyone who is used as pawns, it's the soldiers of the enemy. However, in defeating them, of course always trying to make them surrender when possible to spare the lives of workers, we will defeat their opressors and destroy their power, now, in our time, instead of leaving the opressed classes of the world to starve and toil without rights for countless years to come.

    Furthermore, our soldiers are well aware of why we have to fight this war. We have the most well-educated and politically consciouss population of the world, and more than a quarter of the population voted for war on all fronts, with large percentages voting for at least some military action against our enemies. You clearly show the political mind of the bourgoisie in believing that the soldiers and the worker in the militias are somehow uninformed or coerced. You treat the people as pawns.
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    We will not fail!
    We will not be defeated!
    The imperialists can muster their strength, they can spread their poisonous propaganda and they can pray to their false gods all they want. But they shall never succeed!

    This is the final conflict in human history! Comrades, open your eyes! Time and again the VSVR have faced the reactionary forces and haven't we been victorious every time? Haven't the anarchists been screaming "No war, we'll be desotroyed!" before every one of these conflicts, and haven't they been dissproven every time?

    Comrades, this is the most important event in our republics history, in the history of the human race! The reactionaries forces are kneeling before us, and we shall take their heads! Comrades, we have the people behind us! We are fighting for the liberation of the international proletariat! It may take months, it may take years, but I say this; We shall overcome!

    And one day the red banner shall wave from every city in Europe, and every man, woman and child shall truly be free!

    No kings, no masters, for the revolution!

    Now comrades, I have a train to catch, see you on the frontlines!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raph View Post
    First of all, you're making the error of believing that 1) the opressed peoples of the world are allowed to democratically oppose their rulers (be it political or economical rulers) and 2) that the soldiers of the armies of the imperials are somehow voluntarily fighting against us. They've been forced into service by the capitalist system. If there's anyone who is used as pawns, it's the soldiers of the enemy. However, in defeating them, of course always trying to make them surrender when possible to spare the lives of workers, we will defeat their opressors and destroy their power, now, in our time, instead of leaving the opressed classes of the world to starve and toil without rights for countless years to come.

    Furthermore, our soldiers are well aware of why we have to fight this war. We have the most well-educated and politically consciouss population of the world, and more than a quarter of the population voted for war on all fronts, with large percentages voting for at least some military action against our enemies. You clearly show the political mind of the bourgoisie in believing that the soldiers and the worker in the militias are somehow uninformed or coerced. You treat the people as pawns.
    1)They will revolt when they are ready, we should help them and encourage them, but not force them, it will only lead to ruin even if we succeed with Trotsky's fool hardy plan.

    2) We are treating our troops the same as them. Infact we iniated this conflict, allthough the ultimate aim of the conflict is good it has not been thought through. And the fact that they have not chosen to fight against us makes us slaughtering our comrades in the armies of the imperial all the worse. We should show them how to free themselves, not kill them so they can no longer oppose us. Why be guilty of killing millions when if we wait they will revolt themselves, the death toll will be lower, the victory more just and we will be free of the guilt of commiting the most awful of crims against our fellow workers. So you suggest killing so many men, some who may well even beleive in our cause is worth speeding things up a few years? Then you are truely heartless.

    Though I hate to say it our people have unrealistic exectations, they have fell victim of the untrue propaganda span by the Marxists. And calling me like minded too the bourgoisie is truely laughable in light of your beleifs on the war.

    No kings, no masters, for the revolution!
    Except Trotsky of course.

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    We will stand against Trosky,but not now when our Socialist Homeland is in war...Our duty now is to use all our power for the Victory in the WW, after that we can unite against Trosky.
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    ((Even if you loaded the game up in multiplayer, and the USA, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, China, Egypt, etc joined the fray.. It would still be a tough fight against the whole comiterm, what with Austria and Russia practically loosing at declaration. But then those 6 million soldiers in India... Not sure who would win. Bhutan vs China seems like a tough call. Please post a world map.))

    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    I beg for a United Front against Trotsky.
    He must be stopped!
    Yes! The barbarous Trotsky must be stopped! He plans for himself an empire, but we shall meet him with steel and lead! Join forces, you Anarchists, you Revolutionaries, you Luxembourgists! All the capitalists want is Trotsky's head! We are stronger than the Capitalists, but we can not let Trotsky sacrifice millions of Proletarians on both sides to establish his anti-revolutionary empire!
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    Says the reactionary nationalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenin Cat View Post
    Says the reactionary nationalist.
    Bare in mind that he WAS also a rather deranged Marxist-Leninist before.
    A rebel without a cause.

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    Trotsky' hawkishness is the reason for most of his votes - there's no way he doesn't understand this. Once this final war is complete, he might as well retire, for he will have nothing more to provide the international proletariat. If he is as power-hungry as you Anarchists say, then wouldn't he try to avoid that fate and instead drag this war out as long as possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftRosenthal View Post
    Trotsky' hawkishness is the reason for most of his votes - there's no way he doesn't understand this. Once this final war is complete, he might as well retire, for he will have nothing more to provide the international proletariat. If he is as power-hungry as you Anarchists say, then wouldn't he try to avoid that fate and instead drag this war out as long as possible?
    If this war is successful, there will be no need for a chairman. No state. No centralized power. True communism shall at last be within our grasp. If the Capitalists are defeated, and the world is painted in glorious socialist red, then every problem is solved. Thus, every man, woman, and even child must help out with the war effort in any way they can. While you may disagree with Trotsky's policies, this is the ultimate war against oppression. Anyone who disapproves of the war is nothing but a counter-revolutionary in disguise!

    Death to the monarchs, the capitalists, the bankers and the aristocrats! The old regimes must fall. Onwards!

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    What happened to the troops in africa? Did you ship them to the VSVR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    James Connolly, sitting across a long table, stood up and leaned across the desk before describing exactly what the new ideology of the so called Trotskyite Marxists was in the most eloquent fashion possible. Our demands most moderate are we only want the earth!
    I giggled so hard at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    I beg for a United Front against Trotsky.
    He must be stopped!
    I am shocked to find myself in this position, but I agree entirely with Enwald.

    The party members who still see value in human decency and honor need to unite behind a single ticket and instill a new leader who will seek to end the war as soon as possible.

    Hopefully we have not yet dealt a fatal blow to socialism. Hopefully the people of the world will forgive us for this horrific crime. We have forgotten that socialism is peace, brotherhood and freedom. You can not force socialism on the world!
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    To all the comrades supporting the war.... exactly how stupid are you?
    This may nominally be a war between the VSVR and the league of Nations, but think who is actually fighting comrades! Proletarians! German, Belgian and Polish proletarians against French, Austrian, Britain and Russian proletarians! He says he wishes to have the workers rule the world, but why does he divide us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keynes2.0 View Post
    I am shocked to find myself in this position, but I agree entirely with Enwald.

    The party members who still see value in human decency and honor need to unite behind a single ticket and instill a new leader who will seek to end the war as soon as possible.

    Hopefully we have not yet dealt a fatal blow to socialism. Hopefully the people of the world will forgive us for this horrific crime. We have forgotten that socialism is peace, brotherhood and freedom. You can not force socialism on the world!
    But who - Who is charismatic and adored by the people? Someone who would hand back the power; unlike Trotsky. Someone noble. A fighter with a military history to compete with Trotsky's. Someone whose intention is to strengthen the Comitern rather than destroy it; as Trotsky would. Some supported by Proletarian and farmer alike. Think long and hard on this, comrades.

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