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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    Blanqui was a hero who strengthened the VSVR and was tricked into rebellion by his political opponents. Kropotkin and Liebknecht led our VSVR down the path of ruin and Civil War. They should be shot, if not hung, drawn and quartered.


    Judging from their policies I would most definitely say they do (remembering this is the 19th Century), as any form of non-state redistribution can only be described as Capitalism. (again, 19th century)
    Blanqui was just as dangerous as Lenin. While he also thought he was doing good for the Republic, he was not, and he was certainly not a hero. He was not tricked at all, he merely showed his true colours, as Lenin does now, in leaning towards authoritarianism.

    That's not true at all. Decentralised communes are not even remotely Capitalist, but they are not statist either. Social anarchists have always, even in the 19th Century, advocated for communes/syndicates to be the means through which wealth and resources are to be distributed. Even Proudhon and Bakunin, who were more proto-Anarchists, were not remotely bourgeois in thought or philosophy. Highly flawed, yes, but not bourgeois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthippus View Post
    Blanqui was just as dangerous as Lenin. While he also thought he was doing good for the Republic, he was not, and he was certainly not a hero. He was not tricked at all, he merely showed his true colours, as Lenin does now, in leaning towards authoritarianism.
    Both men did what they thought was right, Blanqui rallied to save the VSVR from what he thought was an anarchist revolt, like the late Kadon he did what he felt was nessecary to save the Republic from Tyranny (what constitutes Tyranny is ultimately, a matter of opinion). I consider Blanqui to be a hero because I believe his policies to be right and those of Kadon to be wrong. I do not consider Kadon to be a hero as I vehemently disagree with his policies, but nevertheless respect his love and commitment for the republic.

    Lenin is simply doing what he thinks is best for the republic as Blanqui and Kadon have done, his methods and beliefs may differ but their goal is the same.

    That's not true at all. Decentralised communes are not even remotely Capitalist, but they are not statist either. Social anarchists have always, even in the 19th Century, advocated for communes/syndicates to be the means through which wealth and resources are to be distributed. Even Proudhon and Bakunin, who were more proto-Anarchists, were not remotely bourgeois in thought or philosophy. Highly flawed, yes, but not bourgeois.
    I see where you are coming from, but their policies as stated in the AAR as opposed to real life scream Bourgeois. For example their past and present policies on taxes, tariffs, the press, religion, social reforms and political reforms could all be interpreted as Bourgeois as they are shared by the Bourgeoise in other countries. Different goals perhaps, but similar methods.
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    Fellow Anarchists, the dark day has come.

    Lenin has forced the democratic government from power and outlawed the opposition. Whatever illusions I have had of peaceful resolution in the past must be put to the wayside until democracy is restored. Now is not the time for ideology, now is the time for pragmatism and action.

    However, out of control the Unions may have been, they are not so different from our Communes and may yet be among the building blocks for our decentralized republic of syndicates. Though they are dissolved, they may be the basis of great support among the workers. Let every factory and every Commune govern itself, this is the Anarchist ideal, bring it to the people so they may cast of the false state.

    For too long we have feared the military and chased them into the Marxists' arms. Lest we forget brave Wallonian soldiers saved the republic once before, and attemepted to do so again. Who are we to demonize them, are they not warriors for the people. Yet they are oppressed by their officers as workers were once under the thumb of the factory owner. We must bring the word of the true revolution to our soldiers that they may cast of the myth of the Red Army and embrace the People's Army.

    How long have the farmers of our proud Republic been denied the vote? Too long have we Anarchist failed to bring about this reform. It is time we embraced true equality and broken the wall between those that toil in the factories and those that toil in the fields. Is it not the farmer that feeds us all. We must bring the word to the farmers, that they may get a fair return for their toil and not be denied their place in the revolution. We must help them cast off the oppresion of the cities that they might join us as equals.

    The resistance must live on. From the cities, from the barracks, from the farms, the voices shall rise and the republic shall be restored.

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    Your plea might have been more helpful before the Anarchists got kicked around like dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naggy View Post
    Your plea might have been more helpful before the Anarchists got kicked around like dogs.
    You can go on kicking dogs, but sooner or later they will bite back.
    Anarchists are not a dead force. The party will rise from the ashes and seek vengeance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    You can go on kicking dogs, but sooner or later they will bite back.
    Anarchists are not a dead force. The party will rise from the ashes and seek vengeance.
    If their not dead then their crippled and on life support.

    Let's review the facts:

    Malatesta is dead, Kadon is dead, Kropotkin is imprisoned and humiliated. They have no major popular figure and no real leadership.

    Much of the upper leadership was slaughtered in Berlin when the Marxists took it.

    Most of the Anarchist die hards are dead. Much of their popular support is lost - the victors write the history and the Leninists won't be kind to the Anarchists. They shall be blamed for this Civil War.

    Their organisation is smashed.

    They Republic is now ruled by a fiercely anti-Anarchist government and they are no longer a legal faction.

    For the forseeable future at least Anarchism is dead as a major faction. It will have to build itself back up from nothing if it is to return to prominence in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    You can go on kicking dogs, but sooner or later they will bite back.
    Anarchists are not a dead force. The party will rise from the ashes and seek vengeance.
    Yeah, but you are. Finnish dog.

    Of course, there's always Enewald Jr.

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    The update didn't answer the most important question: did dissolving the unions magically restore the factories to profitability or did absolutely nothing change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    If their not dead then their crippled and on life support.

    Let's review the facts:

    Malatesta is dead, Kadon is dead, Kropotkin is imprisoned and humiliated. They have no major popular figure and no real leadership.

    Much of the upper leadership was slaughtered in Berlin when the Marxists took it.

    Most of the Anarchist die hards are dead. Much of their popular support is lost - the victors write the history and the Leninists won't be kind to the Anarchists. They shall be blamed for this Civil War.

    Their organisation is smashed.

    They Republic is now ruled by a fiercely anti-Anarchist government and they are no longer a legal faction.

    For the forseeable future at least Anarchism is dead as a major faction. It will have to build itself back up from nothing if it is to return to prominence in the future.
    Who will now represent freedom in the republic?
    But this was the golden age of anarchism, surely there are still some leaders left in other countries?
    What is the biggest anti-Marxist force now? We cannot have a republic without an opposition!

    Revolution and socialism without anarchism? How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    If their not dead then their crippled and on life support.

    Let's review the facts:

    Malatesta is dead, Kadon is dead, Kropotkin is imprisoned and humiliated. They have no major popular figure and no real leadership.

    Much of the upper leadership was slaughtered in Berlin when the Marxists took it.

    Most of the Anarchist die hards are dead. Much of their popular support is lost - the victors write the history and the Leninists won't be kind to the Anarchists. They shall be blamed for this Civil War.

    Their organisation is smashed.

    They Republic is now ruled by a fiercely anti-Anarchist government and they are no longer a legal faction.

    For the forseeable future at least Anarchism is dead as a major faction. It will have to build itself back up from nothing if it is to return to prominence in the future.
    Now watch as Lenin propels the country to heights greater than ever before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    For the forseeable future at least Anarchism is dead as a major faction.
    Thank You for making that perfectly clear to all the anarchists who either didn't read the second-last update or are in denial. I'd assume in their place shall be a United Front-esque faction led by Engels?

    Quote Originally Posted by keynes2.0 View Post
    The update didn't answer the most important question: did dissolving the unions magically restore the factories to profitability or did absolutely nothing change?
    Would you please shut up about the unions? Pleease?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    I'd assume in their place shall be a United Front-esque faction led by Engels?
    I'd like to see this, but I don't know if Engels will come out of retirement. Of course, given the circumstances, maybe he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    Would you please shut up about the unions? Pleease?
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    Long live the Revolution, death to the counterrevolutionary pigdog Lenin.

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    I hope Lenin bans elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Passepartout View Post
    Long live the Revolution, death to the counterrevolutionary pigdog Lenin.
    Hush up fool! You Anarcists attacked the revolution at every turn! And when you took power, your foolish leaders brought the state into civil war! Long Live Comrade Lenin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrell8 View Post
    Hush up fool! You Anarcists attacked the revolution at every turn! And when you took power, your foolish leaders brought the state into civil war! Long Live Comrade Lenin!
    Nobody brought the state into civil war other than the man started the civil war: one V.I.Lenin. It makes me ashamed to call myself a Marxist. Have we come so far, only to have "Marxist" be another word for "authoritarian"?
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    The program I suggested above is a call for the anarchists to adapt and abandon our pacifism while trying to gain support from a braoder base. Also one that is decentralized and difficult to quash. As we are currently a small force and we support the people, our attacks whould focus entirely on the enemy leadership. A couple well placed assasinations may not be popular but I am still wary of killing proletarians unless absolutely necessary, members of the ML Party leadership and Military officers on the other hand, I would be happy to see them in the state run obituaries. However few resources we have, we can always buy a couple guns and end a couple tyrants.

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    You people are hilarious, with your "Liberty!" and "Freedom!".

    Authoritarianism is but a means to an end. The ends will always justify the means. So long as Lenin brings this Republic to the cusp of Communism, who cares of the methods he uses to get there?

    So long as Lenin works for the betterment of this Republic and Revolution I will support him. Why?

    Because my loyalty lies with the salvation of humanity in Communism, not some lofty ideal of liberty and freedom.

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