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    Quote Originally Posted by Necazian View Post
    Not to mention our Wallonian soldiers that kept reinforcements to come to Blanqui's aid.
    Of course, they should not be forgotten either.

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    And in the same breath we should not forget who brought them to the cause of the Republic so strongly?
    And all the things we made by hand/Are nowadays made in Japan/EASTERN PEOPLE!/EASTERN TRIBE!/So proud to live, so proud to die

    They took the whole eastern nation/Locked us in these reservations/Although we wear blue shirts and ties/We're still the red man deep inside/Although they changed our ways of hope/They'll never change our heart and souls/And then someday when the world has learned
    Civilization will return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    Can someone please tell me why we should extend the vote to illiterate peasants?
    For the same reasons MARXISTS like you wanted to annex the ILLITERATE WALLONIANS to our Republic. If I read one of your later posts correctly, you also switched to the Marxists for that purpose.
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    And the political finger-pointing begins again. Oy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keynes2.0 View Post
    You were denying the the Anarchists opposed social reforms. It is an explicit part of the anarchist platform (i.e. Tommy's election 1865 post) that the Anarchists want to cut the funding for the social reforms and start preparing to reduce the size of the state.

    It's very frustrating for us when you ask us to "prove" based on quotes, statements about the STATED PLATFORM of the anarchists. It's even more frustrating because whenever we say anything about the anarchists, we seem to face demands of "quotes or STFU." It is behavior that (Out Of Character) comes across as antagonistic. When you start saying that about the explicitly stated platform, it starts to get really far out of line. We can't have a fun debate under those conditions.

    I'd like to point out that earlier in this thread I was complaining about Marxists crossing the line with Anarchists, so while I may be a whiner, I am at least consistent.
    I didn't deny anything, I just asked where it came from and for a quote. That's all. "And you have a source, yes?" is not "That's a dirty dirty lie, you have no proof of that!" I simply asked for you to confirm where you got it. I meant no harm. I won't say anything like that again, even if the post starts saying "Anarchists are planning on reviving the Dinosaurs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mislock View Post
    Volkischer is Volkisch is the folk movement thing... whilst Volker is peoples. (omitting umlauts)
    Sorry, but I have to say that to me "Völker Beobachter" sounds quite strange and like Enewald I was reminded of the brown rag as well.

    If you want to use it anyway, I would suggest that you write it as one word (i.e. "Völkerbeobachter") or that you change it slightly to "Beobachter der Völker".

    Nice overall design though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scholar View Post
    I didn't deny anything, I just asked where it came from and for a quote. That's all. "And you have a source, yes?" is not "That's a dirty dirty lie, you have no proof of that!" I simply asked for you to confirm where you got it. I meant no harm. I won't say anything like that again, even if the post starts saying "Anarchists are planning on reviving the Dinosaurs."
    Well that's the feeling people got, obviously. I mean, what else are we to assume when you start asking for sources and quotes for something that is very easy for you yourself to find? The dinosaur thing is irrelevant, because that's hardly comparable to the resistance to social reforms which, once again, you could've found yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    Entschuldigung, hab nie diese zwei Wörter so zusammen gesehen. Hab Grammatik nie gut gelernt...


    Tommy, can we know how the actual real people in the game think?
    What issues do they have? Not that they matter.
    I'd like to see a whole swathe of stats. Can we get some info on the country we are in? Literacy is a must!

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    Voelker Beobachter seems to me to be "Monitor of the People", while Voelkischer Beobachter would be "Popular Monitor". The technically correct grammar would be "Beobachter der Voelker" if my guess as to the meaning of the actual title is correct. The difference is that "Beobachter der Voelker" has a slight Orwellian "Big Brother is watching you" tinge, while "Voelkischer Beobachter" seems like a more generic newspaper title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Well that's the feeling people got, obviously. I mean, what else are we to assume when you start asking for sources and quotes for something that is very easy for you yourself to find? The dinosaur thing is irrelevant, because that's hardly comparable to the resistance to social reforms which, once again, you could've found yourself.
    I could have, but so could you or anyone else. Instead of helping me out and finding it, you instead misrepresented what I was saying. The Dinosaur thing is relevent because no I know that no matter what someone says, I won't ask where it came from. That is all. I won't ask where something is anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scholar View Post
    I could have, but so could you or anyone else. Instead of helping me out and finding it, you instead misrepresented what I was saying. The Dinosaur thing is relevent because no I know that no matter what someone says, I won't ask where it came from. That is all. I won't ask where something is anymore.
    Well, why should we have helped you find something that, like I said, was very easy to find? I'd understand if it was something difficult and/or vague or hard to locate, but it wasn't such at all; I may have even understood if you said it in a different fashion ("Where did it say that?" would have been acceptable, IMO). Regardless, we may have misinterpreted you, but it was something very hard to interprete correctly with the intent that you claim to have had, due to your rather accusatory tone. At least, to me it sounded such; It may just be me, but "Do you have a readily available source and quote?" sounds rather accusatory and somewhat derogatory, although that may perhaps be from my experience as a wiki editor, as such words are often used with a rather sarcastic tone.

    EDIT: looking back at this, I find that I apparently like to use the word "such" a lot. lol
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    United Front

    The United Front has the best overall platform. Hopefully in future elections we will see grand coalitions of them and the Anarchists as this should in my opinion lead us in the right direction. The peasants' vote is inevitable, the sooner it is passed the better.

    I voted for the Anarchists last time, but with the UF increasingly favoring moderate Anarchist policies, and the Marxists a weakened and largely insignificant threat, the UF is a better choice. I will be happy to see the GS back soon too, as they have much to contribute to the republic.

    Just to be sure, the constituent assembly won't be formed until the next election. Since first the government must be formed, then they must reform themselves.

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    Scholar, maybe you should vote before you comment.

    I'd like to see a whole swathe of stats. Can we get some info on the country we are in? Literacy is a must!
    I second this, how can we even consider offering peasants the vote if they can't read the ballot paper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enf91 View Post
    Voelker Beobachter seems to me to be "Monitor of the People", while Voelkischer Beobachter would be "Popular Monitor". The technically correct grammar would be "Beobachter der Voelker" if my guess as to the meaning of the actual title is correct. The difference is that "Beobachter der Voelker" has a slight Orwellian "Big Brother is watching you" tinge, while "Voelkischer Beobachter" seems like a more generic newspaper title.
    The phrase "Völker Beobachter" is actually just two separate words written next to each other, it certainly does not mean "Monitor of the People". Like I said, for them to mean that you have to combine them into one word like this: "Völkerbeobachter".

    "Beobachter der Völker" can mean an observer that observes the people of the world, just like the above "Völkerbeobachter". It can also just as well mean one that observes for the people of the world.

    And finally "Völkischer Beobachter", let us just say there are reasons why I would not use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KomodoWaran View Post
    And finally "Völkischer Beobachter", let us just say there are reasons why I would not use it.
    Maybe the paper will be bought out by the Millitarists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    I second this, how can we even consider offering peasants the vote if they can't read the ballot paper?
    As I have already said the farmers can read fine. The problem is that their interests differ quite alot from the interests of the urban proletariat. I'm not sure if this will be easy to find but if you can take a look at Trotsky's scissors theory regarding this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    As I have already said the farmers can read fine. The problem is that their interests differ quite alot from the interests of the urban proletariat. I'm not sure if this will be easy to find but if you can take a look at Trotsky's scissors theory regarding this.
    Yes, we shouldn't just give them a vote, but they should have representation. Socialism is difficult to bring to the rural areas, but I believe we need to ensure that all people in the People's state are properly enfranchised. Once they are brought into the fold, maybe then they can be encompassed into the worker's vote.

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