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    OK,seems like waiting until afterwards is the way to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadon View Post
    I say, release the workers' votes following the party election -- and allow no vote changes!
    I'd rather not get in the way of want people want to do in elections. I discourage vote changing and not many people do it but I'd rather not place an arbitrary ban on it. Atleast not until it becomes a major problem. Its people not voting for the faction they really want to win that's the real issue.

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    I vote we wait until afterwards, and I await my duel. I think we could drag Kadon out of prison for a couple of minutes.
    There will be no dueling. We are not barbarians but rather the most progressive state on earth. Would you have us return to the Middle Ages where the common man toiled as serfs and the ruling classes duelled over petty insults?

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    Well, the problem with voting for the faction that people really want to win is the fact that they, quite frankly, won't. Obviously, the Socialists and the Centralists didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the last election, even if the people who wanted to vote for them did.

    Of course, I really don't see a solution to this problem either; how do you encourage people to vote for the factions that look incredibly unlikely to win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Well, the problem with voting for the faction that people really want to win is the fact that they, quite frankly, won't. Obviously, the Socialists and the Centralists didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the last election, even if the people who wanted to vote for them did.

    Of course, I really don't see a solution to this problem either; how do you encourage people to vote for the factions that look incredibly unlikely to win?
    Give them cookies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Give them cookies?
    Bribing the voters!? You filthy bourgeouis dog! XD
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    Would it be possible to combine Worker's Vote with second preference voting within the party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Bribing the voters!? You filthy bourgeouis dog! XD
    The glorious republic has given me a one room apartment with the nearest outhouse a mile down the road. You call that bourgeouis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    The glorious republic has given me a one room apartment with the nearest outhouse a mile down the road. You call that bourgeouis?
    No, not at all; my comment was merely a jest.

    We are both Anarchists; while our origins may be different (with me being a former German Socialist, until moderation fell into quiet irrelevance), our goals are the same. You, sir, are not bourgeouis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    No, not at all; my comment was merely a jest.

    We are both Anarchists; while our origins may be different (with me being a former German Socialist, until moderation fell into quiet irrelevance), our goals are the same. You, sir, are not bourgeouis.
    Sir, I thought it was a mere jest but felt it best to show the malfescence of the Marxist regime. To improve the worker's lot, they need to install indoor plumbing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Sir, I thought it was a mere jest but felt it best to show the malfescence of the Marxist regime. To improve the worker's lot, they need to install indoor plumbing!
    Hrm, yes, indoor plumbing would indeed be an excellent thing to add to the state's to-do list!
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    Wasser im Haus für alle! The latest headline of the Zeal! The newspaper is spreading like wildfire thoughout the newly acquired territories. Presses have been established in Brussels, Hanover, Detmold, Kaiserslautern, and Aachen. We are having to make more copies everday! Viva Anarchisme!

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    We are both Anarchists; while our origins may be different (with me being a former German Socialist, until moderation fell into quiet irrelevance), our goals are the same. You, sir, are not bourgeouis.
    Moderation still exists with the creation of the new moderate union of the United Cooperationists. We seek to establish a state of peaceful prosperity, not one of tyranny and civil war. I still call for the establishment of Freedom of Press, so that all voices are heard, even the ones of the Anarchist Zeal. This will ensure the freedom of our people.

    This latest rule of Marx has been a questionable one, we have been dragged into a massive war, though successful, and it killed several of our citizens. Our industries have grown, especially the war-industry. Let us hope that our entire economy will not be based on war, because when we achieve an international socialist society, war and soldiers need not exist, and entire sections of our industry will collapse. What we should do is focus on the civilian economy to prepare for the internationalist society.

    I humbly ask the ones that call for civil wars and purges to reconsider their stance. Civil war and conflict will lead to nothing more than suffering and unnecessary bloodshed. What we should do is work together in toward our, as you must realize, common goal of socialism. Fighting each other will only prolong this.

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    Yes, I know moderation still exists, but what I mean is that they simply do not mean anything anymore. The last two elections had the Socialists, the Trade Unionists, and the Centrists gaining very little of the vote, whereas the Marxists and the Anarchists gained almost all of the votes.

    It may be a bit early for me to say so, but at this point moderation is useless, and irrelevant. People want a faction that will take a stand on the issues, rather than cower away from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Yes, I know moderation still exists, but what I mean is that they simply do not mean anything anymore. The last two elections had the Socialists, the Trade Unionists, and the Centrists gaining very little of the vote, whereas the Marxists and the Anarchists gained almost all of the votes.

    It may be a bit early for me to say so, but at this point moderation is useless, and irrelevant. People want a faction that will take a stand on the issues, rather than cower away from them.
    My new anarchist comrade is right. Moderation means not taking a stand, it means not having the cajones to say this is the way it has to be. This is right, that is wrong. We welcome his reformed German Socialist views. All we call for is self determination, the total will of the people. Viva Anarchisme!

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    My new anarchist comrade is right. Moderation means not taking a stand, it means not having the cajones to say this is the way it has to be. This is right, that is wrong. We welcome his reformed German Socialist views. All we call for is self determination, the total will of the people. Viva Anarchisme!
    We are certainly making a stand, a stand for the Republic to be united towards the outward enemy, not the ones that are perceived from the inside. We must stand as a united nation under the banner of socialism towards the world of reactionary kings and bourgeois leaders. As I said earlier, fighting each other will only prolong our ultimate goal of socialism, and spill unnecessary amounts of blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necazian View Post
    We are certainly making a stand, a stand for the Republic to be united towards the outward enemy, not the ones that are perceived from the inside. We must stand as a united nation under the banner of socialism towards the world of reactionary kings and bourgeois leaders. As I said earlier, fighting each other will only prolong our ultimate goal of socialism, and spill unnecessary amounts of blood.
    Any man who stands with Marx, isn't truly a man. They are sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necazian View Post
    We are certainly making a stand, a stand for the Republic to be united towards the outward enemy, not the ones that are perceived from the inside. We must stand as a united nation under the banner of socialism towards the world of reactionary kings and bourgeois leaders. As I said earlier, fighting each other will only prolong our ultimate goal of socialism, and spill unnecessary amounts of blood.
    But such chaos and disunity is only natural; to think that we could ever truely unite and stop the chaos and the bloodletting would be a utopian view, such as those that even Marx himself abandoned. I agree that the in-fighting is profound and horrifying, but efforts to stop such fighting will only fan the flames of civil unrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricainfier View Post
    Any man who stands with Marx, isn't truly a man. They are sheep.
    And the man who would stand to the ideals of anarchists won't even have themselfs to look up to.

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    They are merely people with different opinions, those who support Marx. I myself, do not. The statement Marx made was one that I do not support at all, and therefore I do not support him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Yes, I know moderation still exists, but what I mean is that they simply do not mean anything anymore. The last two elections had the Socialists, the Trade Unionists, and the Centrists gaining very little of the vote, whereas the Marxists and the Anarchists gained almost all of the votes.

    It may be a bit early for me to say so, but at this point moderation is useless, and irrelevant. People want a faction that will take a stand on the issues, rather than cower away from them.
    I'd say the countrary: moderation hasn't been a valid alternative until now, with the united cooperationists. For the first time, a faction has organized that can prove an alternative for both the left wing supporting continued social and economic reform, and the pseudo-liberal right wing supporting private press. Though I am opposed to private enterprise being allowed in the Republic, I do want a united, pluralistic Republic with vivid political debate.

    However, to really prove themselves, the cooperationists will have to present a convincing programme for the next elections. If they prove to be as indecisive and weak as the earlier centrist groups, I'll have no choice but to vote for the now radicalized marxists in order to counter the threat of the blood-thirsty anarchist right wing.
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    Comrades! I am surprised you have not seen what I have. Proudhon has been assassinated! The moment a fiend stood up to assassinate one of the men in the Central Committee was the moment we should all have realized something: terrorists are a threat to us all. The Young Anarchists, though they may not be responsible, are certainly violent and hotheaded enough to bring our glorious society to ruin! I have stood by the Anarchists in the previous two elections, but this once-great party has been co-opted by these malevolent brutes. We do have ideological differences, as that is merely human nature, but there is no reason for us, communists all, to resort to murder and terrorism to get our way! Fear is the tactic of the bourgeoisie oppressor, who suppressed the proletariat through threats of firing and benefit cuts. We must support the United Cooperationalists and let cooler heads prevail!

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