How to get a military score of 80 with Japan?

**Dagfinn** · 08-10-2010 23:46

How is it possible to get 80 in military score as Japan?

Have the calculation of military score changed in 1.2, so that achieving 80 have become more difficult than in 1.1, or am I just a bad player...

**Avisian** · 08-10-2010 23:47

Quite impossible. 1.1 gave too much mil score for generals. 1.2 fixed thiis but the decision requrements werent fixed...

**rmsharpe** · 09-10-2010 00:32

You should probably edit the decision in the decisions folder. I played with the 80 mil requirement up until past 1875 and didn't even come close to it...

**Baldamundo** · 09-10-2010 00:42

urg, 1.2 has not done nice things to Japan ;___;

The requirements for civilising have always been quite illogical though.

**NoodleNaught** · 09-10-2010 00:50

So what do you all think the requirements should be?

**brisduv** · 09-10-2010 00:52

Playing 1st 1.2 game as Japan normal difficulty. Reached 80 military score in 1855, by setting military spending to 70%, NF to creating officers and adding them as fast as possible. Built up army to approximately 70 brigades, disbanding irregulars to free up the pops for regulars. This was the last requirement for CIV and I was playing conservatively as I always do as a non-civ, low infamy high prestiage return actions only. Someone else probably can do better but not too out of the realm of possibility historically to be CIV by 1855. Anything much earlier I'd question it.

And I don't see any big issues with civilizing as Japan compared to 1.1. If you guys were regularly exploiting the game and doing it much earlier, looks like Paradox made it right

**Cker** · 09-10-2010 00:55

Hmmm, i had a game just then, getting the 80 score is tricky, but it requires nothing difficult, you get so much money you can usually afford a massive navy and ground force, which coincidentally you'll need to fight off china when you have korea.
Just build regular sized stacks, and keep building until you hit
Afterwards, you'll probably need them all to survive.

**Baldamundo** · 09-10-2010 00:58

Originally Posted by Baldamundo

urg, 1.2 has not done nice things to Japan ;___;

The requirements for civilising have always been quite illogical though.

I don't know enough about Japan in the period to specify in any detail with any great confidence, but I am certain that the current requirements of prestige and military score (which in my recent game actually required that I have the fourth strongest army in the world to fulfill) are totally illogical and ahistorical and make no sense whatsoever.

**eleinvisible** · 09-10-2010 00:59

I just built a very big army (ie 80 war score) and invaded Korea. In due time China got mad and DOW'd me thus giving me enough prestige to civilize. Significant investment in the army and navy is necessary. Just be weary of Russian and Chinese interests in China. Britain seems to have a crazy large army (on par with China) in 1.2.

**brisduv** · 09-10-2010 01:13

Originally Posted by Baldamundo

I don't know enough about Japan in the period to specify in any detail with any great confidence, but I am certain that the current requirements of prestige and military score (which in my recent game actually required that I have the fourth strongest army in the world to fulfill) are totally illogical and ahistorical and make no sense whatsoever.

I tend to agree that it is too easy to create a huge powerful army as Japan but since it is so easy, then the MIL score should not be an issue. MIL score is based on size of the army pops, so CHINA, RUSSIA, UK and JAPAN should be up there in size, so seems pretty reasonable to me. I am not sure if the technology of the those troops is considered (it should).

Originally Posted by eleinvisible

I just built a very big army (ie 80 war score) and invaded Korea. In due time China got mad and DOW'd me thus giving me enough prestige to civilize. Significant investment in the army and navy is necessary. Just be weary of Russian and Chinese interests in China. Britain seems to have a crazy large army (on par with China) in 1.2.

From 1.1 lessons I've decided to forego conquering Korea (I do take northern provinces to prevent China doing so

) because I have always found the Chinese too powerful to handle until you can get a significant tech edge (plus forts and lots of quality troops). No need to take Korea out until after CIV which is easy to achieve by humiliating other non-civs and Romanticism.

Originally Posted by Cker

Hmmm, i had a game just then, getting the 80 score is tricky, but it requires nothing difficult, you get so much money you can usually afford a massive navy and ground force, which coincidentally you'll need to fight off china when you have korea.
Just build regular sized stacks, and keep building until you hit
Afterwards, you'll probably need them all to survive.

Exactly, too iffy a prospect, I've been defeated too many times (1.1) by hundreds of Chinese brigades. Better to stay allied until you are ready to take them on with guards, cavalry and 2 levels of tactics better than them. Machine guns are your friend too. And right now in 1859 I have nearly 1.5 million in cash with minimum taxes, -5% tarriffs and fully funded army and the rest. Seems economic engine still not quite right but I'll take the cash thanks.

See attached pic for my Civilizing moment...

**Baldamundo** · 09-10-2010 02:06

Originally Posted by brisduv

I tend to agree that it is too easy to create a huge powerful army as Japan but since it is so easy, then the MIL score should not be an issue. MIL score is based on size of the army pops, so CHINA, RUSSIA, UK and JAPAN should be up there in size, so seems pretty reasonable to me. I am not sure if the technology of the those troops is considered (it should).

You seem to have missed my point completely.

**dsteve3** · 09-10-2010 02:15

Japan became SO RICH - Filthy-stinkin'-rollin'-in-dough rich - I maxed out the military slider (I maxed out ALL the sliders)

As well, I conquered Dai Nam. This helped get the Prestige and the Military.

I got to Major Power fairly handily. Made it to Rank 7, then ran into difficulty with a Liberal government that built 5 Luxury Clothing factories, then let them go bankrupt.

**Dagfinn** · 09-10-2010 09:33

So from the replies here I conclude that it IS possible to achieve 80 in military score as Japan, but only with what I regard as exploiting the game...

Atleast playing somewhat conservative and peacefully will not make it possiblel to become ciivilized.

Another question rises: Is the AI capable of civilizing Japan in 1.2?

**hjarg** · 09-10-2010 11:38

It is totally possible and even without exploiting.
The idea is to use your first focus on soldiers in Osaka. Then, research freedom of trade and the thingie that gives you another focus. Use it on Edo. If both tend to get over 4% of soldiers, use it on your next most populous province. Did it with Japan by 1847.
Prestige is a bit more bugger, you can't civilize unless you go to all-out wars.

**walrus** · 09-10-2010 12:19

Originally Posted by Dagfinn

Another question rises: Is the AI capable of civilizing Japan in 1.2?

I've seen the AI westernise in the 1880s, despite losing half of their country to the Russians, although I think that was the Meji Restoration decision.

**rmdsc** · 09-10-2010 12:59

Originally Posted by Avisian

Quite impossible. 1.1 gave too much mil score for generals. 1.2 fixed thiis but the decision requrements werent fixed...

It's quite possible had you actually tried. Just encourage soldier POPs to grow.

**coco2** · 09-10-2010 13:19

Originally Posted by coco2

You need more soldiers. But now to do that effectively, your recruitment rate needs to be at least 60%. Put mil spending to 100% and make as many brigades as you can. Once you get to .002% officers you should take off...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...anese-military on the 3rd page of the forum. The requirements for huge numbers of soldiers have changed. You dont need NF, leave them for clergy.

**MAGNUS796** · 09-10-2010 14:10

This is getting really irritating. I have taken Korea. I have all the techs for becoming a civilised country as Japan. I have maxed out my brigades and have leaders for my armies. My military spending is set to max. I have enough money to pay for everything. I am using NF to promote officers even though the above guy says you dont need to. However even after all the latter my military score keeps shrinking? How the hell do you reach 80? My prestige is 30+ The war score is impossible.

Regards

Magnus

**rmdsc** · 09-10-2010 15:05

Originally Posted by MAGNUS796

This is getting really irritating. I have taken Korea. I have all the techs for becoming a civilised country as Japan. I have maxed out my brigades and have leaders for my armies. My military spending is set to max. I have enough money to pay for everything. I am using NF to promote officers even though the above guy says you dont need to. However even after all the latter my military score keeps shrinking? How the hell do you reach 80? My prestige is 30+ The war score is impossible.

Regards

Magnus

Do you realise that almost everything you mentioned hurts your military score? Your score is decreasing precisely because you maxed out your military spending, which leads to your soldier POPs becoming too rich and promoting away from the job of a lowly soldier. Keep the spending at something like 70% instead.

Also, why the hell are you promoting officers? Military score is based on your soldier POPs. Use the NF to promote soldiers on your most populous states. BTW, the number of standing brigades does not contribute towards the military score, so building them doesn't help you at all.

IIRC if you research military techs your score also goes up.

**Kaltorak** · 09-10-2010 15:34

I agree with the arguement that 80 MIL is too much for the Japanese civilising decision. Having civilised Afghanistan by 1852, it seems unreasonable that Japan takes any longer then that. I haven't tried them out, but waiting for the research was the only problem I had with Afghanistan. A MIL of 50 seems a lot easier to acheive. Isn't the point of Japan's decision to make it easier then the normal? I would imagine if you gave Japan the normal civilising decision it would probably be easier to go for that instead. With Japan's high literacy and stuff the research should be a breeze. That been said I haven't tried Japan..

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