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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy4ever View Post
    I do hope the Netherlands shall experience some sort of socialist movement by the end of the century. Ths SDP can barely even be consdered a social-democratic group.
    Well in our timeline the first Dutch socialist party (the SDB, a communist party in Vicky II) was formed in 1881 or thereabouts, so it's still early days yet. I would consider them Social Democratic, they have a strong social reforms policy that they have'nt been able to push through with due to their minority in the upper house (getting that Wage Slavery event was a very lucky break).

    Your industrial score seems rather low. Have you not been using your NFs for craftsmen? That seems to be the only sure fire way to get good industrial growth prior to the urban population explosion when your RGOs fill up.
    I paid little attention to Industry while the Conservatives were in power, which is why Dutch industry was in such a deplorable state and why I was so desperate to get the SDP in power in the first place. Those Industry screenshots were taken the day I appointed the SDP as the ruling party, hence the small growth. Only Vlaanderen and Java had NFs for craftsmen before 1872, the rest used for either colonisation or for bureaucrats in Java
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    What about a merger of the Royalist party and the CZP, they seem ideologically close, and certainly with a new socialist movement in the future on the rise...they have to combine themselves to gain a majority...nevertheless fine update, am eager to find the Netherlands in another winning war

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    Fine update, indeed.

    Shall we see a war of Dutch Conquest of Hawaii ?
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    What of expanding to Indochina?

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    Timmie: I certainly have thought about merging the Royalists into either the SDP or CZP, however I don't think I'd do so. Despite having such a poor run at elections as of late, they still have a majority in the Upper House* and remember that this is a party which utterly dominated Dutch Politics in one form or another since King Willem's day, I'm sure most in the party consider the last 11 years to be just a minor setback.

    * The Dutch Upper House is appointed by the monarch, which is why the ideologies are disproportional to the number of votes cast. There is no lower house in Vicky II, seats and popular vote are all simulated by me based on POP Ideology to make things more even (SDP got around 80% of the votes this election, while the Liberales got barely any despite having the support of around 12% of the electorate and 35% of the population)

    Gigau: 10BB is a large price to pay for just one island, wouldn't you agree? I think an American Conquest of the Dutch Hawaiian Islands will be far more likely.

    Enewald: I believe I've mentioned this before but just in case I haven't, all of Indochina is either British (Burma), Dutch (Malaya) or in the British (Luang Prabang) or Dutch SoI (Dai Nam, Cambodia, Siam). Back when I started this game I was more concerned with sphering than conquest which is why the Dutch SoI is so unnecessarily large.

    If Siam or Dai Nam ever breaks out of the Dutch Sphere, I will definitely consider annexation if I have a BB score low enough to afford it.
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    10 BB is indeed a bit expensive for that tiny piece of land

    It's just that it seemed to have some "strategic" importance to your trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    10 BB is indeed a bit expensive for that tiny piece of land

    It's just that it seemed to have some "strategic" importance to your trade.
    That's just a little story flavour, game-wise it's no more important than any other island in Oceania. I happened to remember that in our timeline Kamehameha V tried to resist the American alcohol trade and said trade played a factor in the American annexation, and since I've already established the Dutch alcohol trade with Colombia I figured the Dutch would have had a stake in Hawaii in this timeline.

    That being said, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of war with the US in future it just won't be started by the Dutch...
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    Tanzhang (譚張): ...While most governments of the day favoured a small standing army and a large reserve .. King Frederik and Dekker did not. .. Prime Minister Dekker's insistence on using only professional troops meant that The Netherlands were able to Increase rather than decrease the net size of their army and industrial workforce during the Second Spanish-Netherlands War.

    BRAVO ! !

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    ...the new Ministry for Trade and Industry (MTI) was plagued with corruption and inefficiency. Dekker's answer was .. the old administration was purged (and sent to the Spanish front) and replaced within a week with effective, honest and just administrators.

    yep, sending them to the front will teach their replacements ...

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    ...Perhaps the greatest legacy of Dekker's third term was the progress The Netherlands made in colonisation. .. Dutch colonisation would continue as promised, .. After the war immigrants and former soldiers flocked to the colonies...

    awesome ! !

    Tanzhang (譚張):
    ...Ferdinand Nieuwenhuis .. joined the CZP while he was still completing his Theological .. adverse effects of the Industrial revolution .. both socialism and Christianity had the same core message .. The name stuck, and supporters of Ferdinand's theories classified themselves as Anti-Revolutionaries.

    most excellent ! !

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    GhostWriter: Thank you, I'm glad you liked that last chapter so much.

    It may be some time before I get a chance to write up the next chapter everyone, I'm very busy at the moment and wartime updates aren't as easy to write as peacetime ones. With any luck, I might be able to have it done sometime later this week but that's an optimistic estimate at best.
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    The Reformed in my wants the CZP to earn more seats But either way, I've just read this AAR from start to finish, and I've enjoyed it thoroughly. Hope it continues
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    Tanzhang,

    You continue to produce remarkably interesting and detailed updates! Nice job in Spain/Philippines, etc.

    Considering all that Dekker has accomplished, I wonder what "his finest hour" could be!

    Looking forward to more.

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    He's still active so thats a good sign.
    Give him some time. Like the people said these kind of updates are more dificult to write then pure gameplay updates...
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    Thanks for all the interest everyone, I really appreciate it. I apologise for taking so long to update, you can blame the incredibly addictive property that is Football Manager for that, which has been eating up most of my free time for the past week or so. I'm about 15-20% done with the next chapter but I'll try my best to get it finished by the end of the week.

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    Anyways, thanks for commenting everyone. I think it's time I try to finish the next update...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzhang (譚張) View Post
    I apologise for taking so long to update, you can blame the incredibly addictive property that is Football Manager for that, which has been eating up most of my free time for the past week or so.
    Well, I've only just got onboard with this AAR, but as a fellow FM fan I can appreciate your quandry! Football Manager is SOOOOO addictive!
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