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    Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic several times in the 19th century; I'm not sure the cores should be removed.

    On the China issue, leaving Qing Yellow, TPG blue, and changing China to red seems simplest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naselus View Post
    Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic several times in the 19th century; I'm not sure the cores should be removed.

    On the China issue, leaving Qing Yellow, TPG blue, and changing China to red seems simplest.
    I don't think Haiti ever controlled Dominica after 1844. The Haitian occupation (from 1821 to 1844) was hated by the Dominican inhabitants, in fact the Dominicans preferred control by Britain, France, the United States, Spain or Columbia rather than Haiti.

    "The twenty-two-year Haitian occupation that followed is recalled by Dominicans as a period of brutal military rule, though the reality is more complex. It led to large-scale land expropriations and failed efforts to force production of export crops, impose military services, restrict the use of the Spanish language, and eliminate traditional customs such as cockfighting. It reinforced Dominicans' perceptions of themselves as different from Haitians in "language, race, religion and domestic customs."[7]"

    "Boyer also placed more emphasis on cash crops grown on large plantations, reformed the tax system, and allowed foreign trade. But the new system was widely opposed by Dominican farmers, although it produced a boom in sugar and coffee production. All levels of education collapsed; the university was shut down, as it was starved both of resources and students, since young Dominican men from 16 to 25-years-old were drafted into the Haitian army. Boyer's occupation troops, who were largely Dominicans, were unpaid, and had to "forage and sack" from Dominican civilians. Haiti imposed a "heavy tribute" on the Dominican people."
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    What about flavouring Greece a little ? It usually never crosses its first borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naselus View Post
    Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic several times in the 19th century; I'm not sure the cores should be removed.

    On the China issue, leaving Qing Yellow, TPG blue, and changing China to red seems simplest.
    Meh. I would've thought that Qing light blue, taping anything else and China yellow would fit in more with the paradox colour conventions, but it doesn't exactly make any difference

    I've been reading some material about French and then US colonial exploitation of Central America and the Carribean. How well does can the mod / game model the exploitation suffered by being sphered?

  5. #665
    Not getting your own goods is pretty much as close as it goes. Taking it any further than that will basically mean playing anything other than a GP is utterly impossible, tho, so I'd rather not push anything on that front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naselus View Post
    Not getting your own goods is pretty much as close as it goes. Taking it any further than that will basically mean playing anything other than a GP is utterly impossible, tho, so I'd rather not push anything on that front.
    That's actually a pretty good representation. And you're probably right there, and because of that we can probably expect socialism and communism to gain a boost as well?

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    automatically, from the drop in living stadards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naselus View Post
    automatically, from the drop in living stadards.
    Do you think it would be a good idea for a chain of events like this:

    In any sphered country, if a socialist or communist party comes to power it has an opportunity to leave the sphere. The GP then can exercise force or some economic problem to compel it to stay in.

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    IIRC, there is already an event when the government of a sphered country is toppled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magean View Post
    IIRC, there is already an event when the government of a sphered country is toppled.
    Interesting, under what conditions does it apply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by history_fan View Post
    Interesting, under what conditions does it apply?
    Any revolution in a country causes them to leave their sphere, and their sphere owner has the option of an add to sphere CB to force them back in.

    It doesn't apply if a socialist/communist party peacefully comes to power in a democracy, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylock View Post
    Any revolution in a country causes them to leave their sphere, and their sphere owner has the option of an add to sphere CB to force them back in.

    It doesn't apply if a socialist/communist party peacefully comes to power in a democracy, however.
    Ah this I already knew.

    I meant the election or ascension of any socialist or communist government in a country that wasn't in the sphere of a country with a socialist or communist government. I'm not sure what the history is specifically for the southern Americas in the victorian era but I know that a lot of domination by sphere extended into political armed interventions. For example the US invasion of Cuba as it was on the cusp of freeing itself from Spain, or Haiti by Roosevelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by history_fan View Post
    Red is more a PRC colour though ...
    China has always loved Red.

    That article is hardly scientific, but the Socialism being red, and China liking red are coincidences. Now the main reason China doesn't use Red in HoI is that it would clash with the USSR being red (which makes sense). Regarding the Ming in EU3, well yellow was always the imperial colour so...

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    Incidentally, Nas, I find that using this site is quite helpful for picking country colors.
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    There is a Macao region containing Macao as well as a Hong Kong and Macao region containing just Hong Kong. The latter should probably be renamed. What was wrong with having the two as a single region?
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    The Ottoman Empire starts with slavery banned while the states in the near east which can secede from it, such as Palestine, Jordan and Syria, start with slavery permitted.
    I thought slavery still existed in the Ottoman Empire in 1836? You've probably had that discussion before however and reached a conclusion. Anyway, whether the Ottomans had slavery at that time or not breakaway states which were under Ottoman administration such as Palestine et al should have the same slavery policy as the Ottomans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalelovil View Post
    There is a Macao region containing Macao as well as a Hong Kong and Macao region containing just Hong Kong. The latter should probably be renamed. What was wrong with having the two as a single region?
    The Because the two were not controlled by the same country at any point in the game's timeframe, and having them as separate regions makes that a lot easier to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalelovil View Post
    The Ottoman Empire starts with slavery banned while the states in the near east which can secede from it, such as Palestine, Jordan and Syria, start with slavery permitted.
    I thought slavery still existed in the Ottoman Empire in 1836? You've probably had that discussion before however and reached a conclusion. Anyway, whether the Ottomans had slavery at that time or not breakaway states which were under Ottoman administration such as Palestine et al should have the same slavery policy as the Ottomans.

    The OE had ceased the slave trade under financial pressures from Europe. The breakaway states, conversely, were willing to re-instate it afterwards - Jordan springs to mind. They shouldn't be forced to follow OE policy once they've broken off.
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    If conservatives only started supporting reforms when both militancy and consciousness were above the threshold, it would certainly make militancy a more dangerous chip to gamble with instead of the free reform it is right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keynes2.0 View Post
    If conservatives only started supporting reforms when both militancy and consciousness were above the threshold, it would certainly make militancy a more dangerous chip to gamble with instead of the free reform it is right now.
    That's a really good point. For example, uncivs civilising can get a whole host of unbelievable reforms simply from the militancy of civilising, rather than having to crush revolts or cut taxes or whatever. If we do something like what you're suggesting then players would have to be more careful civilising, boosting conciousness first so they don't alienate their people through "alien measures".

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