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    [Flags] Flags of Fascism

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    When Victoria 2 was released, there were a few flags that I was displeased with. Mostly it was the fascist flags, which i thought didn't do their evil dictators enough credit. Therefore i started working on making my own flags with the aim of improving the existing ones.

    Flags of Fascism or FoF, aims to change most of the current fascist flags to either a more historically accurate flags, or flags that just looks more "fascist" than the vanilla ones. Many of the current fascist flags are the nation's republic flag with a Fasces in the center of the flag. While the Fasces is a symbol of fascism, it was only to the Italian people under Mussolini, and therefore it seemed odd why other nations would use the fasces. The flags i intend to create, will be inspired by the given country's own culture. Scandanavian flags for example, will most likely feature some form of nordic runes or in other cases a more modern approach to fascism.

    There will be no swastikas in the pack. However i have found a acceptable replacement for the German Fascist/Nazi flag that upholds forum rules.

    Information and current flags - Updated 26-04-2011



    Sweden: The Swedish Flag is custom made but takes focus on using the Nordic Cross along with a older version of the circled cross.

    Germany: While the obvious choice for a German fascist flag would be that of Nazi Germany the rules state that we can't do that, and i respect that. The alternate, is one of the flag of the German Empire combined with the "Iron Eagle" of the Nazi Reich. In order to respect the rules of the forum i removed the swazitka at buttom and simply left the eagle by itself.
    Source Link: http://ruse.wikia.com/wiki/Germany

    China: The Chinese fascist flag is that of the Kuomintang. The Kuomintang was a political entry that ruled parts of China during the chinese civil war. The Kuomintang was to some degree a authoritarian entry and therefore i found the flag fitting for a fascist china.

    Brazil The Brazilian Fascist flag is that of the Brazilian Integralism movement that first appreared in 1932. The group's ideology was inspired by Benito Mussolini fascism. However the Brazilian Integralism movement did not preach about rascism unlike the Nazi Party.

    Spain: The Spanish Fascist flag is that of the "Falange". The Falange were a pro-fascist militant group that helped Franco win the spanish civil war.

    Denmark:
    Instead of using the vanilla "Fasces in Dannebrog" i decided to replace the Fasces with the Nordic Raven. The Raven Banner was used by the Danish Vikings in England and also when on crusade.

    Prussia:
    The Prussian flag is not historical in too many ways. The flag itself is a retextured version of the Prussian state during the Nazi Reich. As with the German flag i have edited out the Swazika and replaced it with the Iron Cross. Futhermore the previously black edges have been replaced by a dark-red at the buttom and black at the top (It's now a tri-color like the German Empire)

    Russia:
    The Russian flag is a mixture of Black, Dark-red and White. Not to be confused for the German flag i used a different combination of colors and added the Russian bear in the middle (The signature of Russia)

    Austria:
    This is my personal favorit. The Austrian fascist flag is a fliped version of the Hasburg flag with a "Fascist Eagle" in the middle. The eagle is acually of Italian origin but i thought it fit the flag quite well.

    0.5 Released! Flag pack current includes: Germany, Prussia, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Brazil, China and Russia. More to come!

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    Pretty! But I am not entirely sure of the Swedish one. I find it a bit too complex as a flag, at least with the hand. And does it not look more Socialist in origin than fascist?
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    Hm, you might be right about that :P Maybe a more nordic approach to the flag then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cainrae View Post
    Hm, you might be right about that :P Maybe a more nordic approach to the flag then?
    If it was used by Swedish Nazis in real life I don't see a reason to change it

    The man with a hammer motif might seem exclusively socialist, but fascists often exalt "the people", specially the common people, as they constitute the greater part of the nation. Of course, under fascism it is usually thought that they should be led by a party or by a great leader, but the hammer motif still feels.
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    Update!

    Danish Flag:


    Instead of using the vanilla "Fasces in Dannebrog" i decided to replace the Fasces with the Nordic Raven. The Raven Banner was used by the Danish Vikings in England and also when on crusade.

    Alternative Swedish Flags
    1st Variation:

    2nd Variation:


    The first of the two alternate flags is the traditional swedish flag with a nordic cross in the center. The other alternate flag is a custom made improvisation of the Nordic Cross on Swedish Flag.
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    I appreciate the Danish flag. I think Danish fascists might find solace in old viking society. The second Swedish one is really nice, but I still wonder if that is the best we can come up with... *thinking and pondering*

    The Spanish one I don't really understand why you don't use the one that Fascist Spain used in the era.

    The Chinese one I heartily endorse (why not more kuomintang as china?) but i wonder if you should not use the on with the white sun in the quartering. Like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...c_of_China.svg

    That one was also the one used in the era.
    ...A flower of iron, a flower of death, beautiful, unbendable and deadly.

    So first you announce Crusader Kings 2, then a game with Crusader Kings elements set in feudal Japan. Why not just go the whole hog and give away a rock of Paradox brand crack with every pre order?
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    You might be right about the Spanish one. The reason i took it is because i concidered the Falange more fascist than Franco's regime.

    As for China, i thought that the one used by the Kuomintang was more centered/focused than the Republic of China's flag
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    As far as I know the German Flag you use here falls under the ban on swastikas, it's not more than a modified swastika and that is banned as well by German Laws, so please delete!
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    I would use the Nationalist Spain before the Falangista, but that is up to you and I accept your reasoning. =)

    Good reasoning for China. I believe I agree. =)

    Also, Russia. isn't that one very royalistic? I would at least use the pan-slavic colours. Remember that fascism is a peoples ideology, just like Socialism, just screwed in the other direction.

    I actually fin that to be the problem with many of the vanilla fascist flags. Many look more royalist than fascist. Fascistic flags have always hade a simple, memorable design while the royalists like bling.

    Edit: Apperantly the double Wulfangeln are to Svastika-like. I would recommend only having one. =)
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    So first you announce Crusader Kings 2, then a game with Crusader Kings elements set in feudal Japan. Why not just go the whole hog and give away a rock of Paradox brand crack with every pre order?
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    Once i get home to the stationary i'll change the German one

    Also, i found a alternate russian flag i might use With Pan-Slavic colors

    edit: Apprently the Wulfsangel is also under the banned list, i'll find a alternate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cainrae View Post
    edit: Apprently the Wulfsangel is also under the banned list, i'll find a alternate
    Actually, the problem is not the Wolfsangel. The symbol itself is not illegal but a Nazi Flag with it as a swastika substitute.
    Wolfsangel + flag of the German Empire = okay
    Wolfsangel + flag of Nazi Germany = forbidden

    Thats atleast whats written in German law, the forum rules might be different.

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    I'll see what i can cook up, if anyone has a suggestion for a German fascist flag feel free to share
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrelvis View Post
    The man with a hammer motif might seem exclusively socialist, but fascists often exalt "the people", specially the common people, as they constitute the greater part of the nation. Of course, under fascism it is usually thought that they should be led by a party or by a great leader, but the hammer motif still feels.
    Not quite. Fascists declare that they are the leaders of the "nation" rather than the people. There's a difference, since "the people" implies an egalitarian society where every member of the people is equal, wheras in the "nation", every individual sacrificies his interests for the benefit of the nation, which is normally the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cainrae View Post
    Alternative Swedish Flags
    1st Variation:
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    That's gorgeous!

    Quote Originally Posted by Järnblomma View Post
    The Spanish one I don't really understand why you don't use the one that Fascist Spain used in the era.
    Nationalist Spain was more of a reactionary Presidential Dictatorship with Corporatist elements rather than a true "Fascist" dictatorship. The Falanges were allies of Franco though, and they were most definitely Fascist.


    Quote Originally Posted by Järnblomma View Post
    The Chinese one I heartily endorse (why not more kuomintang as china?) but i wonder if you should not use the on with the white sun in the quartering. Like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...c_of_China.svg

    That one was also the one used in the era.
    Well, the KMT wasn't really Fascist... It would work as a Presidential Dictatorship flag, without a doubt, but maybe the insignia for the Blue Shirts Society would work better as a flag for a Fascist China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cainrae View Post
    Update!

    Danish Flag:


    Instead of using the vanilla "Fasces in Dannebrog" i decided to replace the Fasces with the Nordic Raven. The Raven Banner was used by the Danish Vikings in England and also when on crusade.
    I like the Raven.

    Even though I don't think IKL would have changed the Finnish flag even if they had gotten into power, their sign on a blue and black background would be the best choice for a Finnish fascist flag. The sign is here: IKL

    Oh, I found the actual flag as well: IKL flag
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    I really like this mod.

    Too bad Germany and several other countries still feel like they need to ban free speech. I don't get why the West German Government let all the prominent Nazi's out of jail by 1952 because denazification "failed" yet they remain hypocritical by trying to continue denazification with their draconian restriction on free speech. *shrugs*

    Looking forward to the development of this mod.

    EDIT: I don't really like using the KMT flag as "fascist". Taiwan is one (if not) the most free countries in the Far East today. The KMT was not fascist by any means; at most they were autocratic. I'd use something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforme...ublic_of_China (first Japanese puppet government of China) or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_Government (Wang Jingwei's puppet government). I know they aren't of the time period but the flags they use draw from early 1900 and pre 1900 inspirations.
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    I've updated the flag list.

    The German flag has been fixed and replaced with a totally new design, feedback is appreciated.

    I've gone with the 1'st Swedish flag of custom design, atleast for now, feedback is appreciated.

    Two new russian flags! One with a bear and the other without, which is best? I found the Black-Red-White colors to be perfect for a fascist russian flag.





    Quote Originally Posted by Bamilus View Post
    EDIT: I don't really like using the KMT flag as "fascist". Taiwan is one (if not) the most free countries in the Far East today. The KMT was not fascist by any means; at most they were autocratic. I'd use something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforme...ublic_of_China (first Japanese puppet government of China) or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_Government (Wang Jingwei's puppet government). I know they aren't of the time period but the flags they use draw from early 1900 and pre 1900 inspirations.
    I've had the same thought myself, however, the Chinese are not reknown to have had many flags in their modern times, it's more of a western thing. I'll work on finding a new flag. Worst case scenario is that i will make a custom one
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    The Russian one looks good. But are there no fascist symbols in Russia? What does the Russian Fascists use today? If not, it is a very good flag. =)

    The Brazil one works, but why an Epsilon?

    Also, for the German one, I like it. Maybe an inclusion of an Eisenkreuz would work? Otherwise it looks a slight bit too close to the Danish flag. Maybe the German War flag? Like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1871-1892.svg

    Slight variations I think, but otherwise.
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    Most fascist symbols in Russia are either related to the Nazi's or to National Bolshevism which basicly is a mix of communism and nazism (I know.. idiot skinheads)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

    The only real national symbol i know of is the "Russian Bear" ;D

    I'll try to work about a German flag with the provided data

    Quote Originally Posted by Järnblomma View Post
    Also, for the German one, I like it. Maybe an inclusion of an Eisenkreuz would work? Otherwise it looks a slight bit too close to the Danish flag. Maybe the German War flag? Like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1871-1892.svg
    As requested, an alternate one :P

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    Not requested, just suggested. No, I don't think the new one is better. That might be jsut me though. But Your original one is better, methinks. Or maybe have it white, without the prussian eagle, but with a nordic cross and an Eisenkreuz?

    Still only suggesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalanxia View Post
    Not quite. Fascists declare that they are the leaders of the "nation" rather than the people. There's a difference, since "the people" implies an egalitarian society where every member of the people is equal, wheras in the "nation", every individual sacrificies his interests for the benefit of the nation, which is normally the state.
    Hitler used the term "Volk" extensively; the benefit of the "people" was yes declared often to be the goal of fascist parties, and it was a symbolism they were quite ready to use.
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