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And the Wehrmacht shall be undone as always is fates scourge unto the greatest of the armies of mankind, logistical issues!

The logistics system is one of the real strengths of HOI3, I know its sometimes a bit wierd but overall it really seems right (at least when the war is within a continental landmass) - not least you have so many tools with which to conduct indirect warfare as a result

A lot of unknown heros so far. :-(
And for taming Tigers, 'never was so much owed by so many to so few' as Comrade Molotov formulated 1944 in Berlin to the brave VVS bomberpilots.

aye, a tiger with no fuel is a very nasty fortified lump of metal, one with no supplies is merely a tasty morsel for a passing sturmovik

Alas, ICE is not much better than the plain vanilla game in that respect. In two campaigns (one German, into late '43, the other Soviet, into mid'40), the plain vanilla AI that lies under ICE additions makes itself apparent. The USA just joined the allies in June'40 in my Soviet game. And Germany hasn't followed the decision tree it is supposed to. It never started WW2 - I had to load up and take the Danzig or War decision for it. And since then, it has DoW'ed various countries (Denmark, Luxemburg, Netherlands) before the historical dates. Nationalist China defeated Japan and took all its possessions in the German game and has fought Japan to a standstill in the Soviet game. Japan has faired poorly against the USA as well.

ICE has several problems, especially for Japan. They set up a historical naval production queue, but alas HoI 1/2/3's IC model is nothing historical. So Japan never gets to build the land units it needs to until it is too late.

Otherwise, it has been fun. Germany and the Soviet Union has good flavor, with their techs, decisions and events. For the USSR, I am 1000 MP short compared to my vanilla game, thanks to the purge event (-500 MP in ICE, +500 MO in vanilla). I was shocked when I couldn't reinforce my units to full complement at mobilization in Sept'39. I was short by about 20%, due to building lots of new units.

I am thinking of getting the official unique units DLC for the vanilla version, so I can enjoy the same units there as well.

I enjoyed the link to the Clerk's war.

Its a pity that HOI3 still doesn't really do the stalemate periods that well, it seems to be a bit too dynamic at the moment, but then it took them 3 expansions and a very late patch to finally tweak HOI2 to that state. Having said all which, due to having more time than I expected, no internet etc, I've played well ahead and 1942 is shaping up rather intrigueingly, its certainly not a soviet waltz to Berlin.

It is very good to see that partisan actions are helping to hinder the Axis war effort. Hopefully the actions can prove potent enough to blunt the Axis attack for long enough so as to allow for a strong Soviet counter-attack.

Its anything to try and strip their supplies. I've got two gambits on the go for aug and sept. Fight tooth and nail for everything piece of land so as to slow them, if I can then also ensure that their supply arrivals are less than their need (due to the partisan war), I can then use the VVS to really hit their supply chokepoints, and then hope that mud and winter brings their logistical structure crashing down. Its a good plan, its just the holding out over Aug-Sept that is the tricky bit.

I was particularly impressed with the partisan cow. Definitely my favorite picture so far.

I'll see if I can find some more ... at least the cow didn't also have a gun ;)
 
The Soviet Home Front, August 1941

Perhaps more than the loss of terrain, the shattering defeats at Narva, Odessa and Velikiye Luki presented a challenge to the existence of the Soviet state. In effect for many the harshness of the Stalinist regime was only acceptable, if as so often claimed, it was the only to protect the revolution. By the start of August, the Soviet state was on the verge of collapse, in terms of morale



leadership



and a collapse in industrial production.



At a smaller scale, in many places the functions of the state collapsed, in some places organization was provided by local party sections but in many it fell to Red Army commanders to take charge of organising the local civil population – to dig ditches and to raise militia (DNO) formations.


(DNO recruiting poster – it reads "Fighter, we wait for you")

10 DNO formations had just been raised and deployed. 2 replaced forces withdrawn from the Far East, 5 were allocated to the forces covering Leningrad and the North West. As far as possible (and such were the pressures it often was not), these were to be kept back from direct combat. However, the 3 divisions raised from Moscow, Orel and Tula were allocated to the 10 Army's 32nd Corps that was to shoulder the burden of the murderous defence of Bryansk. In combat, and with regular Red Army formations to assist them, their courage and commitment made them useful, but the losses they suffered were horrific.


(DNO forces at Bryansk)

Equally there was the critical need to keep Soviet industry functioning.


(one real challenge for the Soviet Union was to balance all the various manpower demands, especially with the loss of so many major cities in June and July)


(although currently well to the rear, preparations were already being made to defend the streets of Leningrad)


(hasty fortifications at Bryansk)
Beyond the war in the USSR, the only active front was the British in N Africa. Here they had been pushed back from El Alamein but were still protecting Alexandria and the Nile Delta. However, they had lost the critical port of Gibralter.

Against this, the regime tried to do two things. Fundamentally to present the war not as a defence of the Soviet regime but of Russia itself. Secondly, and perhaps contradicting this, almost every broadcast and newspaper evoked Lenin's famous speech in 1918 at the crisis of the Civil War – 'the Socialist Motherland is in danger'. In addition with the emerging danger of a direct assault on Leningrad the approach was to stress this as defending the birthplace of the revolution:


(poster reads – 'Total Mobilisation for Leningrad')

Militarily, the Red Army was ordered to stand and fight. Ideally the current front had to be held, if they were pushed back, they had to extract heavy losses and a major delay from the Germans. The autumn muds and winter snows were at least 3 months away, the only protection the Soviet state had left lay in its armed forces.

With some critical exceptions, the Soviet armed forces almost achieved their goals in August. Except in the North West, the German advance slowed to a crawl as every stream, river, town and city was fought over. In the Ukraine, briefly the tide even turned, even if by September the Germans almost everywhere held the east bank of the Dniepr.



The nature of the challenge facing the RKKA is clear from the respective orders of battles. A mismatch made worse as something like 15% of all Soviet formations were no longer capable of even minimal combat operations:

 
...at least the cow didn't also have a gun ;)

Must... Not... Reference... Traffic... Warden...

<Ahem>

From the last map, it looks like the situation in the Ukraine stabilized somewhat (well, you lost the littlest land there). While in the North, the situation for Leningrad and Moscow looks pretty hairy, in the medium term. Is this situation similar to the one you had in your earlier Russia games, in that the Germans seemed to alternate the thrust of their offensives from one end of the front to the next? Or is there another reason for the relative collapse in the North as compared to the calmer Ukraine?
 
hell, that's gettin' really tough. The force comparision looks alarming, so few tanks left? (I had trouble to stop them on the 41 SCE, but I had > 120 med tankbrigades)
 
Hopefully the Soviet plan comes to fruition and the Axis are stopped, or at least slowed enough. Things are looking very precariously balanced at present, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.
 
Oh no, save Leningrad comrade! Where are the tank divisions? Are they still in the production queue? Can you transfer any Siberian divisions to the western front?

In ICE USSR I cheated, and gave the German AI a blitzkrieg39 modifier to get it moving: 25% reinforce, 25% organization ragain, +9 on shock, assault, encirclement, delay, breakthrough and somethingelse, and so on, so it could defeat Poland and France. Otherwise, it was fairing poorly. Still, I outnumbered the Germans 2-1 in units. Not having any MP for over 9 months, and having a construction practical of 99.9, I went overboard and built fortifications along the border - level 5 in each province with a corps of 3 or 4 rifle divisions in each province. Radar, provincial AA and infrastructure maxed, and lots of 100% infrastructure highways crisscrossing the nation. Having 600+IC with heavy industrial emphasis (was fighting in Finland) and 0 MP does that.... Even if the German AI were to DoW me, it wouldn't have the guts to attack. So I ended up quiting the game... I'll go back to my vanilla game where the German AI caught Tovaritch Stalin with his pants down, declaring war in October 1940...

In the mean time the AI surprised me in my new USA ICE campaign, when Japan actually managed to annex Nationalist China by Fall'39. Communist China still lives with only its capital province left. It has a doomstack in that fortified province, and the Japanese AI can't seem to find the guts to attack it. The German AI still needs help. I'm not sure what DiDay and Co. changed, but vanilla Germany has been far more dangerous up to 1941 in my games so far.
 
Must... Not... Reference... Traffic... Warden...

Not to worry, I promise :D, first major offensive by concentrated Soviet armour and I'll re use your favourite Soviet traffic policewoman ... am currently searching the internet for suitably Socialist Realist Bovines ... dunno what google make of my search patterns

From the last map, it looks like the situation in the Ukraine stabilized somewhat (well, you lost the littlest land there). While in the North, the situation for Leningrad and Moscow looks pretty hairy, in the medium term. Is this situation similar to the one you had in your earlier Russia games, in that the Germans seemed to alternate the thrust of their offensives from one end of the front to the next? Or is there another reason for the relative collapse in the North as compared to the calmer Ukraine?
The Germans have more divisions than you, at least in some place, yet you have not lost.
Quite formidable!

I was saved (at least in the short term) by two things. First the AI is still obsessed (when its on the offensive) with gaps, so as my front between Leningrad and Moscow fell apart it started to send more and more into the bulge and off to the NW. If this had been a sensible force (mtn/inf divs) it could have been really dangerous but it was a lot of armour - caused me lots of trouble later on but in the short term took the pressure off the direct blow to Moscow.

The second issue is something that I'd warn any German player of in SF. Due to those blocked provinces in the east of the Pripyet, there's a horrible supply hole to their east, so most of the German forces around Kiev (on the sketch map) spent most of aug and sept in poor supply (they got some so never had the loss of org etc but were always short).

Between the two, I'd say 30% of the German army was effectively inert or on a bit of wild goose chase - almost as if some utter nutter was in charge in Berlin?

hell, that's gettin' really tough. The force comparision looks alarming, so few tanks left? (I had trouble to stop them on the 41 SCE, but I had > 120 med tankbrigades)

actually thats a lot more tanks than I started with -- the scenario starts with 23 arm brigades (all but 2 light), by 1 aug I had 33 (18 med, 13 light, 2 heavy). Its very different to my experience with the 1941 Barbarossa scenario where the Soviet army is actually very mechanised or if I'd been able to tailor from 1936.

Hopefully the Soviet plan comes to fruition and the Axis are stopped, or at least slowed enough. Things are looking very precariously balanced at present, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.

To be honest, for aug and sept I had no plan, all I could see was this long time span till the bad weather and attempt to fend off the German attacks - they had complete strategic control and, with exceptions, everywhere set the pace of operations too.

Oh no, save Leningrad comrade! Where are the tank divisions? Are they still in the production queue? Can you transfer any Siberian divisions to the western front?

I'll go back to my vanilla game where the German AI caught Tovaritch Stalin with his pants down, declaring war in October 1940...

There are (off top of my head) 2 more med arm divs in production that appear I think in Sept and Oct, fair few TD brigades (which I came to really like) and some more KVs (ditto) - both these with inf could sort of handle medium armour and as I researched up my HA techs I even started to see the Tiger brigades shrinking.

All I've pulled out of Manchuria was the 3 motorised rifle divs that start over there (they are now part of that reserve force clustered around Moscow), I do end up stripping a few more formations but not for duty in the west when things go very wrong somewhere else. But I also replace, initially with militia, and then upgrade the militia later on - I don't trust Japan.

Its actually good that some of the good things from the sandbox model are starting to work. A few more early German DOWs (& I've seen some reports of them not taking the MR option) will stop those Soviet players who want to get rid of their starting army from being so casual.
 
actually thats a lot more tanks than I started with -- the scenario starts with 23 arm brigades (all but 2 light), by 1 aug I had 33 (18 med, 13 light, 2 heavy). Its very different to my experience with the 1941 Barbarossa scenario where the Soviet army is actually very mechanised or if I'd been able to tailor from 1936.

Yes, always good to remember. Looks like you choose the hardest scenario. (Tried the '39, '40 and '41 now - to be honest, the '41 isn't as horrible as it should be (Ger having only one INT and building lots of navy stuff)) even on VH. So your starting evolved as the most interesting one, not to forget this formidable pictures, of course. [/I]

So let's hope for the KVs. Did you have any medium TDs?
And it's a good idea to keep respect for the Japanese.
 
Yes, always good to remember. Looks like you choose the hardest scenario. (Tried the '39, '40 and '41 now - to be honest, the '41 isn't as horrible as it should be (Ger having only one INT and building lots of navy stuff)) even on VH. . Did you have any medium TDs?
And it's a good idea to keep respect for the Japanese.

No, I've had to keep my range of techs to the bare minimum so its just the standard SP AT units that I'm using, its hard enough researching the equipment and doctrinal techs that the bulk of my forces enjoy. Agree about the 41 scenario, you start with so much armour that if you can keep it, its quite easy to turn the tide. I ran the 1939 scenario at theatre level as a test (partly I wanted to test the theatre AI and the withdraw stance), gave up in feb 42 but I'd lost Moscow (& in that Rum/Hun were not involved), so felt it was a good option - in a way its the worst point of the Soviet Union's prewar cycle, you have all the consequences of the officer purge etc and none of the benefits of the reequipment programme.

For the 41 scenario the oob in 1.2 was much better - it was probably unhistroric but with all the 2nd echelon unmobilised etc, once your border forces were disrupted it was incredibly hard.
 
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"Death but the drift of Eastern Grey": Leningrad besieged, August 1941

The German thrust at Leningrad had 3 separate lines of advance. First, after their earlier defeats at Pskov, they made it a priority to break the Soviet defence on the Pskov-Novgorod line. This had the twin advantages of being a direct line towards Leningrad and protecting their flank as they attacked at Smolensk. Second, once they had pushed the weak Soviet line at Demyansk back, they developed an attack pushing to the east of Novgorod with the goal of reaching Lake Ladoga and ultimately cutting Leningrad from the rest of the Soviet Union. Finally they followed up their victory at Narva by pushing at Leningrad from Estonia.



Pskov was initially defended by fresh forces drawn from the Leningrad reserve (they were replaced in the city by the divisions that had fallen back from the defeats on the Dauga).



27 Army frantically tried to hold the front and did so over 10 days of fighting from 1 to 12 August for a loss of over 5500 lives (the Germans lost some 3500). At the end the pressure was too much and the survivors pulled back onto the Luga line. This in turn was held from 9 to 16 August before they fell back to the outskirts of Leningrad itself.



Key to this defense was the allocation of additional AT formations



and the first employment in combat of the KV1. Although no match for the German Tiger (not least it only had a 76mm gun), in combination with the AT brigades these inflicted heavy losses on the attacking 14 Pzr division.



In the meantime the German attack from Narva commenced on 16 August, and they finally breached the river line on 22 August with a further 1500 Soviet dead (at a cost to the Germans of 2000). As 23A fell back its formations became mixed with those of 27A. Initially the defense held, as the Germans had become overconfident.


(German PzIII, destroyed at Sosnoyi Bor)

They were driven off at Sosnoyi Bor on 25 August leaving over 1400 of their troops dead.



However, the pressure was too much, by 31 August, the Germans everywhere were poised on the outskirts of Leningrad. Total losses in all these actions were 17.764 Soviet and 16,373 Germans. To this should be added an extra 2000 Soviet dead from German air attacks. If nothing else, STAVKA's decision to switch to defending the current lines had the effect of increasing the tempo and ferocity of combat.

One main reason for the collapse of the Luga positions was the German offensive to the east. For the most part this saw little concentrated fighting (3,200 Soviet and 2,800 German dead) except at the southern edge of Ladoga where the Red Army tried to defend the small town of Sjastroj so as to keep open communications with the rest of the USSR. This battle from 29 August to 9 September accounted for some 80% of this total.



The Soviet defeat was followed by the German offensive aimed at pushing across the Neva along the shores of Lake Ladoga. Equally it opened the way for the Germans to push, almost unchallenged, into the gap between Lakes Ladoga and Onega. Leningrad was to be firmly cut off from the rest of the Soviet Union.

Once the Germans had completed their investment of Leningrad to the south, there was a brief lull. On 5 September, the opening shots of the first battle of Leningrad were heard. One of the bloodiest battles of the war was about to commence.
 
On 5 September, the opening shots of the first battle of Leningrad were heard. One of the bloodiest battles of the war was about to commence.

First battle of Leningrad? That means there must be multiple... Oo-er!

I'm quite impressed with this German advance. Let's see what you have left in and around Leningrad, and how well you fare in holding the line.
 
The logistics system is one of the real strengths of HOI3, I know its sometimes a bit wierd but overall it really seems right (at least when the war is within a continental landmass) - not least you have so many tools with which to conduct indirect warfare as a result

a tiger with no fuel is a very nasty fortified lump of metal, one with no supplies is merely a tasty morsel for a passing sturmovik

Any chance Leningrad could be saved with some good logistical strikes? Logistical strikes are a bit overpowered in their infrastructure destruction - though the supply damage is OK I suppose.
 
A very good read, as usual. Germany seems to be merciless strong, so it's really down to disrupt their log. communications, I'm afraid, as one would not suppose that they have even achieved their maximum strengh jet, especially in their obsession of Tigers. I would assume the real decision will be fought in the air.


Logistical strikes are a bit overpowered in their infrastructure destruction - though the supply damage is OK I suppose.

One of the most exciting surprises of SF was the ability of the AI, ehm, the OKH to found new ways and avoiding badly damaged provinces. It's still effective, but not just soo simple anymore.
 
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Really great update.
But i think leningrad can't be saved better to fall back by strategic redeployment on the archanglesk kalininn line before the whole finish peninsula is cut off and the troops lost on top it.
 
Good stuff. I hope the Soviets can pull something out of the bag as it appears as if the Axis have a lot of forces in and around Leningrad. Eagerly awaiting the next update to see how things go.
 
First, can I thank everyone who voted for this AAR in the aarland awards - very much appreciated

First battle of Leningrad? That means there must be multiple... Oo-er!

I'm quite impressed with this German advance. Let's see what you have left in and around Leningrad, and how well you fare in holding the line.
Well, Leningrad becomes more interesting this way. :)
Any chance Leningrad could be saved with some good logistical strikes? Logistical strikes are a bit overpowered in their infrastructure destruction - though the supply damage is OK I suppose.

A very good read, as usual. Germany seems to be merciless strong, so it's really down to disrupt their log. communications, I'm afraid, as one would not suppose that they have even achieved their maximum strengh jet, especially in their obsession of Tigers. I would assume the real decision will be fought in the air.

Basically I commited the entire tac bomber fleet to their rear, I found a really nice junction just south of Pskov that seemed to support the supply line to Leningrad and to Smolensk/Rzev and just kept bombing the damned thing. Committed enough fighters to minimise any German air interference and yep, at least temporarily they just ran out of supply quicker than I ran out of organisation.

Up to my current game played point (well in advance), I've had 4 major offensives aimed at Leningrad.

Very intersting, and you add a lot of good pictures. Can't wait for the next update to be posted!

Glad you like it, I've got rather addicted to finding the pictures, if you can read some Russian it helps as a lot are on Russian language websites (at least those from a Soviet perspective).

Really great update.
But i think leningrad can't be saved better to fall back by strategic redeployment on the archanglesk kalininn line before the whole finish peninsula is cut off and the troops lost on top it.

With hindsight, I should have done exactly that. As it is I ended up with quite a few divisions bottled up and with poor supply that would have saved me a lot of grief along the upper Volga/Vologda sector ... next time I'd be tempted to just retreat past (but I was actually hoping to hold the southern shores of Ladoga)

Good stuff. I hope the Soviets can pull something out of the bag as it appears as if the Axis have a lot of forces in and around Leningrad. Eagerly awaiting the next update to see how things go.

your wish is but my command ...
 
If not me, who? The first battle of Leningrad 5-29 September 1941


(Leningrad and the surrounding region)


(1939 Street Map)

The opening German artillery barrage at 1.00am on 5 September caught the Soviet defense in Leningrad in disarray. The main problem was the somewhat chaotic intermingling of 23A and 27A formations in the city as well as the number of formations that had fallen back into the city from the various battles on the outskirts.



STAVKA urgently demanded that Shaposnikov sort out the command structure in the city and pull back damaged units and HQ formations to a reserve. These would be rotated into the battle as needed. By 8 September, some semblance of order had been imposed, 23A was in command of the city, 27A covered the Neva on the shores of Lake Ladoga and took responsibility for those formations pulled back from the city to recuperate. This ability to switch units in and out of the battle was to be of critical importance as the violence of the German assault increased.

The other key response was to reach behind the German lines. In particular the rail junctions at Krasny Luc were repeatedly bombed as they served both the offensives aimed at Leningrad and the battles at Rzev. Slowly the flow of supplies was cut off, and increasingly the German attack faltered at key stages due to the lack of munitions.



(air raids on Krasny Luc)

Equally the PVO squadrons with their new LAGG-3 fighters ensured that no German air raid on the city went unanswered.


(The Soviet airfields were all within German artillery range and a number of fighters were badly damaged as a result)

Combined with direct fire from the guns of the Baltic Fleet, this was to give the Soviets some vital advantages in the coming weeks.



The consequence of the Soviet confusion in the early days of the battle was that the 23 Panzer and 211 Infantry divisions were able to make rapid progress along the Baltic coastline capturing the suburb of Ulyanka and the southern docks at Avtovo in a matter of hours. This was to pose a major threat both to the defence of the central sector and the security of the Baltic Fleet.

At Zvezdnoye, the 115 Rifle Division and 1 NKVD Rifle Division put up a much more effective defense. It wasn't until 10 September and the commitment of their local reserves that the Germans even started to break into this district.


(troops of 1 NKVD Rifle Division at Zvezdnoye)

The attached brigade of KV-1s was key here, with tanks being repaired in the factories just behind the front and returning to action in a matter of hours.


(emergency repairs, under German shellfire)

The eastern flank was anchored on the industrial district of Metallostoy and here riflemen of the 143 Division did not just fight from building to building but from room to room. German pressure told, but each gain came at a cost, with fierce localised Soviet counterblows.


(Soviet riflemen amongst the factories at Metallostoy)

By the 15 September, the Germans in the docks at Avtovo were facing increased resistance and the 27 Pzr (together with 9 Pzr drawn in from their reserves) diverted to try and deal with the threat of the Soviet KV-1s. This gave the fleet additional security and allowed it to shell the advancing Germans over open gun sights. Nonetheless, a major crisis was brewing in the city, as both flanks had now been turned, the rifle divisions had only 10,000 effective men between them and over 60% of the KVs had been destroyed.


(in the circumstances the Soviets used almost any means to ferry supplies to the front line)


(Soviet AA guns defending the Baltic Fleet)


(even amongst the fighting, the factories continued to work, and the workers needed to be fed)


On the morning of the 20th the Germans finally broke through and started to push along the Moskovsky Prospect towards the old centre.


(KV1 firing down Moskovsky Prospect)

Equally they managed to establish a small bridgehead over the Neva in the east at Obukhovskij. It looked as if the city would fall, or at the least all the ground to the south of the Neva would be lost.

House to house fighting continued for the next four days. Shaposnikov gradually fed in reinforcements that allowed the Soviets sometimes to retake ground and always to contest every street, every house as they fell back. However, under strict instructions from STAVKA he also kept back a significant reserve for an organised counter attack.

By the 26th, the Germans reached the bridge at Vladminskey and the old Admiralty building was in ruins.


(the remnants of the famous Admiralty clock)

However, their failure to follow up their early victory in the dock sector was to prove their undoing. With their front line divisions badly depleted, running short of supplies and facing seemingly endless Soviet resistance, they were vulnerable. Three relatively fresh rifle divisions were moved into the Narvksiy sector during the 26th and at 5am on 27 September, they hit the flanks of the overextended 28 Infantry and 27 Panzer at Moskovsky Prospect. At the same time the last few KV1s were commited, and briefly the VVS shifted from bombing their rail net to direct combat support. These divisions crumbled under the weight of this counterblow and unhinged the entire attack.

Suddenly German troops were looking for routes out of the city rather than pressing forward. Most escaped as the Soviet defenders were too exhausted. At midnight on 29 September, the Germans had withdrawn from their positions in the city.


(Moskovsky Prospect at the end of the battle)



However, the respite was brief, the collapse of one prong of their attack had led to a major withdrawal but the German command remained determined to take the city. At 7am on 29 September, led by the fresh 4 Panzer and 24 Infantry, the second battle of Leningrad commenced. However, they were suffering from fuel and supply shortages even as they moved to their attack positions.



To the east of the city, during the first battle the Germans made five attempts to breach the Neva line. Each was easily repelled, with 752 Soviet soldiers killed and 2,204 Germans. However, as the second battle of Leningrad began, it was becoming increasingly clear to Shaposnikov that their sixth attempt was a much more serious attempt to turn the city's defenses from the east.

The agony of Leningrad was just beginning. However, the victory was celebrated across the Soviet Union, finally the Red Army had turned on its tormentor and inflicted a stunning victory.