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    New Nations Mod

    New Nations Mod

    The basic idea of this thread, as the name suggests, is to compile the many nations that existed, almost existed or could exist in the Victoria 2 timeframe, but were not added to the base game. I named this a mod, but probably it'll be incorporated in some sort of larger project (like VIP2), or incorporate itself other modifications, such as new cultures and/or culture-groups.


    Most Recent Version:
    We've finally achieved more than 50 new nations to make your Vicky2 game more interesting, from South America to Siberia, from Australia to Wales.
    But new nations do not appear only from new tags - to interpret again the old nations, when they become greater powers, is also an objective of this mod. This way, I started to add Irredentist decisions for many countries that, even if did not achieved Great Power status in real history, could have done so, and deserve special attention for these Alternate History outcomings.

    New Nations Mod v. 1.10
    (Compatibility: Vicky 1.2; any mod which does not change the history/provinces files, nor the common/countries.txt file.)

    Content:

    This version adds, as possible revolters (or existing nations in 1836(Rio Grande do Sul, Peru-Bolivian Confederation, Channel Islands and Man):

    #Latin America
    Acre
    Bahia
    Equador Confederation
    Entre Rios
    Los Altos
    Guyana
    Peru-Bolivia Confederation
    Rio Grande
    Rio Grande do Sul
    Sonora
    South Peru
    Yucatan

    #Europe
    Asturias
    Belarus
    Brittany
    Basqueland
    England
    Galicia
    IsleofMan
    Jersey & Guernsey
    Cornwall
    Occitania
    Wales
    Fiume
    Corsica
    Leon
    Madeiras
    Elsass (german-cultured Alsace-Lorraine)
    Lorraine (its french-cultured counterpart)

    #Germany
    Rhineland
    Saar
    Westfalen


    #Russia
    Tannu Tuva
    Tataria
    Tatarstan
    Yakutia
    Kazakhstan
    Krasnoyarsk
    Kamchatka
    Ural

    #Oceania
    Victoria
    Queensland
    New South Wales
    North Australia
    North Queensland
    Tasmania
    Western Australia
    South Australia
    Aotearoa
    South Island

    #Middle East
    Kurdistan
    Lebannon
    Syria
    Dagestan
    Circassia

    It also adds new names for some existing nations, when they suffer government change (such as Papal States -> Roman Republic, Ottoman Empire -> Turkey and some others)...


    As well as the following "irredentist" events:
    -"Provincia Cisplatina" and "Natural Borders" decisions for Brazil, once it achieves Great Power status and research the proper technologies, giving to it cores in Uruguay ("Cisplatina") and the argentinean Mesopotamia (the Paraná river is Brazil's "Natural Border", after all), respectively.
    -"Banda Oriental" and "Our Brothers, the Gauchos" decisions for Argentina, in similar situation. It gives, however, cores for Argentina in Uruguay (the rebel province of "Banda Oriental" del Uruguay) and in Rio Grande do Sul (They're as Gauchos as the platineans, after all), respectively.
    -For Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador, the Great Power status brings the possibilty of reuniting with its neighbours - they have two options, though: "Gran Colombia, by sword" (giving cores in its neighbours) and "Gran Colombia, by pen", (annexing your North Andean satelites).
    Most of these decisions are ahistorical, I agree, but expansionism and power walk together, specially in the XIX century. The Pacific Coast never saw an American, and hardly did Dalmatia to an Italian, but this never stoped these countries of claiming such lands as their "natural rights". If Colombia, Brazil or Argentina were as powerful, or at least respected, they would have certainly have made their own claims.

    And an event chain about the Peru-Bolivian Confederation: the game begins with a federation formed by three countries (Peru, South Peru and Bolivia), and there are many possible outcomes, some historical (the confederation is dismantled by Chileans, Argentineans and Peruvians), some ahistorical (The confederation survives and becomes a single nation; or it survives, but without some of its constituent states).

    On the oposite side, there's a little event that turns the United Kingdom into England if it loses both Scotland and Ireland - a United Kingdom need to be United, after all.

    Finally, the initial configuration of 1836 is changed: there are the Farroupilha War, the conquest of Circassia and Dagestan by Russia, Tunisia as an Ottoman satelite and many more historical changes.


    Credits:

    Credits (and thanks!) go to:
    -Trovador - for the events, Latin American nations and general merging;
    -chann, for the Oceanian nations from his Australia/NZ Improvement Mod, as well as Fiume and Kurdistan
    -Orinsul - for the many Russian/Central Asian Nations, as well as for the Rhinelander nations;
    -The Wookiee - for Byelorussian and English flags;
    - Evil Weasel - for the Western European nations in Iberia, France and England from his Western European Minnorities and Revolters mod
    -Tunch Khan - for the middle eastern nations from his Ottomania Mod
    Many others - general ideas (thank you all!)
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    Images:
    National Flags of many of the new nation (from v. 0.4):


    Aaaand... screenshots!
    (from v. 1.00)
    Australian Nations:


    South American nations:


    Mexican nations:


    European Nations:


    Russian Nations:


    (Obs: not all new nations and depicted, and this is not the default 1836 start - I manualy released most of these new nations)
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    The Future:

    To be added:
    -Events and parties for the new nations;
    -More nations to break the US, France and Austria;
    -The most civilized tribes of Africa, from the brilliant mod of pixies57;
    -Irredentism events for some countries, to give them new claims (and possibly new names or TAGs).
    ---

    (old schedule)
    To sort of the "priorities" of such nations, I created some levels of "plausibility", all based in nations that were actually added in Vicky2 (as far as we can tell from the flags).

    Group 1: states that existed in the beggining of the game and/or revolted in its timeframe, and existed for at least 2 years.
    Examples in game: Texas, CSA;
    Examples that are not in game: Riograndense Republic, Tannu Tuva;

    Group 2: states that existed/revolted, at maximum, 20 years before the game start, or states that revolted inside the timeframe, but without success (by success I mean "to exist for more than 2 years"). “Generalized” states will be use instead of smaller states, when possible.
    Examples in game: California Republic;
    Examples that are not in game: Confederação do Equador, Gran Columbia;

    Group 3: states with enough cultural, geographical and economic strenghts that, given different situations in this timeframe, could have revolted, instead of others. For example, communist revolutions, civil wars and continental imperialism could result in regions with human potential to revolt.
    Examples in game: New England (if socialist revolutions happen in the US, maybe?)
    Exampes outside game: Rhineland, São Paulo, Kurdistan, Nigeria;

    Group 4: strategical "artificial" states, based in geographical characteristics rather than plausibility to work "by themselves". Those states would emerge from particulary bloody civil wars or due to peace treaties. For example, in the "hyper-expansionist Brazil" AAR, it's possible than the UK would force Brazil to release an (in other conditions) implausible Amazonia state, just to break up the country in smaller puppets. Other examples are Alsace-Lorraine, Bosforus, Silesia, Siberia and Galicia. State-by-state Balkanization is not included here.

    post-1700 pack: states that would need an older PoD (but after 1700) to make sense. Examples: Louisiana, Florida.

    Small States pack: the american states, the african post-colonialist nations, the filibuster republics in Mexico, etc.

    Megacampaign pack: Surviving Byzantine Empire, Islamic Andalusia, Burgundian Empire et all.
    [NON UPDATED LIST; NEW LIST COMING SOON]
    North America:
    Yucatan;
    Rio Grande;
    Florida;
    Louisiana;
    Great Lakes;
    West Indies Federation;
    Los Altos;
    Cascadia;
    Nova Scotia;


    South America:
    Riograndense Republic;
    Entre-Rios;
    Peru-Bolivia Confederation;
    South Peru;
    Equador Confederation;
    São Paulo;
    Minas Gerais;
    Bahia;
    Amazonia;
    Patagonia;
    Guyana;
    Pan-American Union;
    Acre;
    Araucania & Patagonia;


    Europe:
    Rhineland;
    Iceland;
    Poland-Lithuania;
    Euskadi;
    Britanny;
    Silesia;
    Galicia;
    Moravia;
    Bosforus;
    Alsace-Lorraine;
    Wales;
    Karelia;
    England;
    Transylvania;
    Malta;
    Macedonia;
    Genoa;
    Moscow;
    Belarus;
    Ingria
    Idel-Ural
    Daghestan/Caucasia;
    Saar;
    Banat;
    Corsica;

    Africa:
    Guinea/Ashanti;
    Nigeria;
    Kongo;
    Rif Republic;
    Rhodesia;

    Asia:
    Tannu Tuva;
    Kurdistan;
    Pan-Arab Republic;
    Ceylon;
    Cossack State;
    Sulu;
    Palestine;
    Lebanon;
    Trucial Sheikhdoms
    Formosa/Taiwan;
    Ezo/Hokaido;
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    The games has a desperate need for a Welsh Nation

    also good to see someones started this, and in a very organised way too
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    i'd be happy to incorporate your work into Empire mod. it looks really detailed and would improve the 19th century late game quite alot. potential for collaboration?
    edit: i agree, we need wales.

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    Pennsylvania into group one and also Connecticut, The Hartford Convention as proof
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    Group 3:
    [...]
    Basque Country;
    [..]


    País Vasco? So will be there Cataluña?

    PS: At least they have official flags



    Nice mod btw.

    Edit; 'Official' name for the Basque Country's (País Vasco in Spanish), is Euskadi or Euskal Herria (the last is about the historical and cultural region, and the perfect choice as independent nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euskal_Herria)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman1219 View Post
    Pennsylvania into group one and also Connecticut, The Hartford Convention as proof
    why not have all the american states? for a dissolving union. I mean all have the potential to be independent nations and basic administrative infrastructure ready-set for nation-hood.
    And breaking america into lots of little pieces would be fun.

    This was one i was going to start if my main mod didnt work, but seeing as how yourve started it, consider me signed up to help with it.
    Last edited by Orinsul; 07-08-2010 at 09:07.
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    Group 4: Silesia/Schlesien/Slunsk

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    Probably somewhere between 3 and 4 - Moravia.
    Group 4: New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland (the three oldest Australian states, which operated as autonomous colonies prior to federation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hohen View Post
    Group 3:
    [...]
    Basque Country;
    [..]


    País Vasco? So will be there Cataluña?

    PS: At least they have official flags



    Nice mod btw.

    Edit; 'Official' name for the Basque Country's (País Vasco in Spanish), is Euskadi or Euskal Herria (the last is about the historical and cultural region, and the perfect choice as independent nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euskal_Herria)
    In fact in V2 time should be Euzkadi
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    Group 1: various missing German states in the German Confederation, including Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Hesse-Homburg, Liechtenstein, Lichtenberg, Reuss Senior, Reuss Junior, Schaumburg-Lippe, Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Waldeck and Pyrmon.
    Not sure if all these fit on the vanilla map, and there are even more if you count various realms that merged or split, or were annexed into the others.

    Also in group 1: Duchy of Limburg (member of the German Confederation, added after Luxemburg was divided between Netherlands / Belgium)

    Group 3 (a bit of 2): Kurdistan

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    I got a question on Alsace-Lorraine. Would the be an Elsass-Lothringen as well, if the Germans there somehow got power instead of the French population?
    Or just a German-French nation would be cool as well...

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    In the Victoria timeframe, Elsaß-Lothringen was still at least 70% ethnically German. I am not aware with any dreams of an "Elsaß" republic... the German Elsassers wanted freedom from France and a unification with other German realms, the French Alsacians wanted to remain within France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordarkelf View Post
    Group 1: various missing German states in the German Confederation, including Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Hesse-Homburg, Liechtenstein, Lichtenberg, Reuss Senior, Reuss Junior, Schaumburg-Lippe, Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Waldeck and Pyrmon.
    Of that list most are too small to be in, but you have one funny that is Saxe-Coburg which was in V1 and is still there in V2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinsul View Post
    The games has a desperate need for a Welsh Nation

    also good to see someones started this, and in a very organised way too
    Thank you for the support! And Welsh will be added as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by takedown47 View Post
    i'd be happy to incorporate your work into Empire mod. it looks really detailed and would improve the 19th century late game quite alot. potential for collaboration?
    edit: i agree, we need wales.
    Yes, of course! Specially because Empire Mod will certainly need rather "ahistorical" revolting nations, as America will surely be different in the 1820s

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman1219 View Post
    Pennsylvania into group one and also Connecticut, The Hartford Convention as proof
    I don't see how Hartford Convention puts them in Group 1: it didn't happened inside the 1836-1936 period, not even in the 20 years before that. I understand such states - as well as most US states - had some potential for independence, but as Group 3. This doesn't mean such states will be forgotten or done after all the others, but there are others whose existence enhances more the victorian age.

    Quote Originally Posted by nigo View Post
    Group2: São Paulo (Brazil, 1932)
    I agree São Paulo had all the pre-requisites to become a state by itself, but Constitutionalist Revolution of 32 was clearly not a separatist one - they were looking for the constitution, not the creation of a new state - I see then as liberals whose militancy was increased after conservative changes were made, and thus want a change of the political shape of the country. A proof of this is both the São Paulo flag, created by such time, clearly with Brazil in its canton, and more importantly the motto, also created in this revolution: "PRO BRASILIA FIANT EXIMIA", "Great things shall be done for Brazil".
    Group 2.5, maybe? .p

    Quote Originally Posted by Hohen View Post
    [...]
    País Vasco? So will be there Cataluña?
    [...]
    Nice mod btw.

    Edit; 'Official' name for the Basque Country's (País Vasco in Spanish), is Euskadi or Euskal Herria (the last is about the historical and cultural region, and the perfect choice as independent nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euskal_Herria)
    Thanks, Hohen!
    Catalunia is, indeed, already in game, so Basque Country should be equally possible - even if they didn't revolted in the timeframe, Euskadi has enough cultural and geographical identity to surely form a state on its own. Some help with parties, events and flags for it would be very apreciated!


    Quote Originally Posted by Orinsul View Post
    why not have all the american states? for a dissolving union. I mean all have the potential to be independent nations and basic administrative infrastructure ready-set for nation-hood.
    And breaking america into lots of little pieces would be fun.

    This was one i was going to start if my main mod didnt work, but seeing as how yourve started it, consider me signed up to help with it.
    I agree most American states can form its own nations, but actually almost every state in every country has such potential. As a "rule of thumb", I suggest we keep with larger nations in a first moment, and create its divisions after. This is preferable not only because it's "easier", but because Clausewitz engine doesn't work well with an enormous number of tags.
    As larger nations I mean more "generalized" states that could be used to represent, until a certain degree, all of its constituent nations. As an example, both Pernambuco and Bahia states, in Brazil, tryed to gain independence; I plan, however, to use the more neutral "Confederação do Equador" tag to symbolize both, in a first moment.

    In the final ambitions of this mod, however, I do seek to do something as general as "every american state". As such, I would appreciate help to do such nations (their parties, flags, relevance, etc), as my knowledgment in North American history is rather limited.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcFloyd View Post
    Group 4: Silesia/Schlesien/Slunsk
    I put it already in group 3 because it would be interesting to have geographical-based states in case of an alterante post-WW1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hexagon1 View Post
    Probably somewhere between 3 and 4 - Moravia.
    Group 4: New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland (the three oldest Australian states, which operated as autonomous colonies prior to federation)
    Added.


    Quote Originally Posted by Txini View Post
    In fact in V2 time should be Euzkadi
    Indeed!

    Updated list:

    Group 1:
    -Riograndense Republic;
    -Tannu Tuva;
    -Yucatan Republic;

    Group 2:
    -Confederação do Equador (it's easier to put the Pernambucan revolts inside this one, and maybe the Bahian ones too);
    -Gran Columbia;
    -Entre-Rios Republic;
    -Rio Grande Republic;

    Group 3:
    Iceland;
    Alsace-Lorraine;
    Basque Country;
    Galicia(Ukrainian one);
    Silesia;
    Rhineland;
    Amazonia;
    Minas Gerais;
    Siberia;
    São Paulo;
    Moravia;
    Pennsylvania;
    Connecticut;
    Wales;
    Kurdistan;
    (etc)

    Group 4:
    Roman Empire;
    Byzantine Empire;
    Burgundy;
    Novgorod;
    Great Lakes;
    New South Wales;
    Victoria;
    Queensland;
    All American states, potentially;

    -----------------

    This mod is certainly too big for a single person, and I'm happy there's interest for such kind of mod.
    Would anyone be interested in join this mod team? I'm sure that, with the knowledgment of many people, we'll certainly be able to cover most of the world in this mod!

    edit: adding the last posts additions - except most of the german minors, as map edditing is still not the intention of this mod.

    @ Alsace-Lorraine, I'm not sure about the name, but it's intended to be an "aberration" created after the WW1, as some OTL proposals.
    It was mostly ethnic german, but such state would be probably created as "biethnic".

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    Group 2 : Ceylon (no it is NOT part of India, was not administratively part of India under the British, and it's native ruling dynasty, based at Kandy, was only extinguised by the British in the 1820s)

    And something to consider though not sure where you'd put them, are "future nations" that began to gel together during the colonial period and would eventually receive independence in the postwar era. So places like Ghana, Kenya, Senegal etc which, had colonialism worked differently, might have gained independence earlier and in closer partnership with the mother nation.
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    Group 3: Brittany, the most different group in France, and maybe Occitania, but by this time they already were a really minor group
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    Hmm... Trovador, what do you think about Galicia(Spain) and even Andalusia? These, plus Catalonia and Basque Country will make the Iberian Peninsula a nice choice to enjoy

    IMO they should be on group 3 because their cultural identity.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Convention was 1814-1816... stating your mod can go 20 years previously fits

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    Group 1: Peru-Bolivian Confederation. I don't know what Paradox was smoking.....

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