Under the Rising Sun - A V2 Review AAR

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Good stuff!

Panjer said:

Wouldn't it be better to divide China up into various smaller states instead of outright annexation?

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He already said that he want to release Mongolia as a satellite. Maybe there are other Chinese states he's got a mind to release as well.

 

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Hagar said:

Glad I'm not a visitor to your kitchen... Blowing up powder kegs is a bit more safe than messing about with combustible pastry.

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I always get a chuckle out of references to "AP flour" - whoa, armor-piercing flour, cool!

Great AAR, really enjoying it. Do you think there would be any chance to humiliate China and break it up instead in another Japan V2 game? Seems like it would be easier, but not if only Mongolia is there to be spun off. Also, kudos for the KH reference.

I have to wonder who is working the Japanese factories at this point. Started with 480k, right, and recruited more, then mobilized? Mrs. Watanabe the Riveter?

 

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Donnie D said:

Interesting. It seems that after all, your offensive will be stopped, though not by the enemy, but by low supplies.

Too bad you went for Annexiation, otherwise you could go for your very own sunspot somewhere in future Manchukou

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If he wanted to he could always add some other wargoals and take those in a peace deal instead. Of course he already has the infamy and would suffer a mil hit and prestiege loss for failing the annex goal.

hjarg said:

Ouch, that is a terrible chunk of land to swallow. Wonder what your infamy will be after you pull this one off...

Oh, btw, just wondering- how do you start pulling off political reforms in an absolutist monarchy kind of country? Still need upper house approval or...? And how's economy?

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If you look back to the update when he DoWed you'll see he gained 20 infamy for this, there's no futher infamy for suceeding.

Reforms work in the same way, you need Liberals in the UH or high enough Mil that the Conservatives (or socialists, should you have any) will agree to reforms.

 

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Phystarstk said:

This is why I linked the pic of a snake eating an alligator!

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Sorry, it looked like a big fish eating a mediocre fish when I looked at it first, but after a closer inspection, I see that you are correct. o

 

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Not sure if you had mentioned before, but how did you get so much money (900k+) to wage this war? You must have been buying every gun on the market!

 

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Dachspmg said:

He already said that he want to release Mongolia as a satellite. Maybe there are other Chinese states he's got a mind to release as well.

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And planning on a whole bunch of others but I don't know which one as I have no knowledge at all of the possible Chinese states.

RKFM said:

Not sure if you had mentioned before, but how did you get so much money (900k+) to wage this war? You must have been buying every gun on the market!

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The goldmine which I got in the first or second year of the game was the basis of this incredible wealth. Without it I guess I wouldn't have been victorious in this war.

Phystarstk said:

I wish you the best, but I really don't think 1860's Japan should have a ghost of a chance at annexing China. Hopefully something will happen, or, at the least, he'll find post-annexation China as hard to keep down as pre-annexation China...

Seriously though, I really don't see how Japan could POSSIBLY have the manpower for something like this. Japan in the early 20th century, yes, simply because the technological gap had become ridiculous, but Japan in 1860's.. they should be able to handle 2:1 maybe 4:1 manpower tops.. and this is probably like 30:1.

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First you have to keep in mind V2 is not a historical simulation but a historic game. Then we'll have to agree no engine could ever represent unrealistic things like a mad player attacking an enemy with odds of 4 to 1 against. Winning this war had little to do with a fault on the side of V2 but more on the side of the player. If you want it a bit historical, just don't do things like this.

But, as I had the choice between boring the hell out of you by taking it all slowly or let the AI beat the crap out of me and entertain (while at the same time show how the AI fights) the choice was easy.
And yes, I think the AI fought quite well in this war. Their setup (defending the border with a few more reserves and some central reserves at the coast instead of only a massive linear reserve) might have been the only mistake by the AI so far but you saw how they defended quite well in the first year, smashed my armies a few months later and then gathered to strike deep into Korea while I was only saved by the timely arrival of my mobilized forces, which put the ratio on the front to something between 2 to 1 and 1 to 1. They had suffered horific losses too and I was now able to strike them with fresh troops and not beat these armies back like they had done with mine but destroy them instead.
Anyhow, long story short: if you want to do the unrealistic, you will get the untrealistic, even though it might be one hell of a funny game!

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Chapter XXV: Towards Tibet, Afghanistan and Vietnam ​

Autumn 1862, war exhaustion reached 7.75 and would prove to be a real menace if the war lasted much longer. The enemy capital had fallen but the population was becoming ever more restless.

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On August 6th, after an eight month siege, Beijing fell to our forces, now almost cut off. In the following months our forces broke out from their positions in the Laizhou peninsula. For them it had been a long fight and at terrible costs.
By now it was clear as crystal I would win the war if given the time to do so. The only question was if I had the time as I would need at least another two or three year. By early 1863 almost half of China had fallen to my forces and if I continued the current pace it would take me four more years, the population would be way too restless by then. Still the Chinese resistance did not wane. The enemies armies were now smaller most of the time but they kept attacking me on the front and harassing me in the rear. Much of their efforts were aimed at Beijing which saw a dozen battles throughout 1862 and '63.

Way to the south, near Taiwan, a new second front was opened to speed up affairs. Months later Taiwan was invaded but the Chinese were strong enough to defeat the first invasion and a second was necessary.

By now, even at a moment I was not building troops, the budget was getting rather tight even though I had radically cut expenses in some fields. I had to cut down on taxes for the poor as well in order to keep them quiet.

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Chapter XXVI: The rebellions ​

By late 1863 I had reached the borders of Kokand, Tibet and Burma, two-thirds of the vast Chinese country was subdued by the powerful Japanese but then disaster struck, the first of the major rebellions.

In the year before I had been mad at my navy of transports being held up by small Chinese forces while putting troops on the shores of China. Now I was glad it had happened as it allowed me to have a substantial reserve-force stationed in Japan itself.

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The rebellion did not last long but it was a heavy one, one which would grow more unrest. Worst of all a part of the army had defected to the side of the rebels as well and thus this would slowly 'eat up' my forces in Japan. Two more of these rebellions and I would be facing a home front.
Worst hit was Korea as I had no troops stationed here. Thus some had to be ferried across while others had to be brought in from Manchuria. Eventually the rebels were beaten but not before they had taken two provinces.

In China the front kept pushing south, slowly but surely.

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You've got alot of cash in your treasury. I would spend it

 

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Looks like your heading for victory. But its going to cost Japan harshly. After this decades of wars of occupation await.

You should probably release as many states as you can from your Chinese gains and create a large Japanese SoI in China.

 

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I don't know all of the details but I expected it to be harder to put down a nation wide revolt in the midst of a total war with another power.

 

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Wow, you're actually going to pull it off, that's quite an achievement. I suggest you create a puppet Chinese state like in Hearts of Iron 2. Keep strategic areas, like Manchuria, Shanghai-Nanjing, Weihai-Qingdao, Taiwan, Guangzhou and Hainan.

 

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It's possible battle losses should drain your POPs to a greater extent than they now do, or that your conscripted workers should not face years of massacre with equanimity. At this stage I find all these 'bonus armies' rising to plug gaps in the home defence kind of implausible.

 

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Hardcore_gamer said:

I don't know all of the details but I expected it to be harder to put down a nation wide revolt in the midst of a total war with another power.

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It might have been a relativly small one.

 

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and he did point to the army he did't ferry over

 

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Earl Uhtred said:

At this stage I find all these 'bonus armies' rising to plug gaps in the home defence kind of implausible.

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These armies, mostly part of the mobilization, weren't ferried across to Korea yet, as my fleet of transports was busy atTaiwan for way too long.

 

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Chapter XXVII: China vanquished ​

After almost six years of bloody war China had collapsed and all we needed to do was mop it up, conquering the last states and provinces. Slowly moving southwards our troops pacified everything until only the island of Haman held out. Yet again the last remains of the Chinese navy proved to be a nuisance preventing the troops to cross until being chased away. Then they besieged the very last free Chinese city en-mass.

Spring however turned towards summer and by early June a major Chinese rebellions took place, all over the countryside of southern China rebellious groups took up arms and defied the new-found Japanese rule. Luckily, in anticipation of just such a rebellion I had left garrisons all over the place and was able to suppress them within a couple of weeks. With the fall of Haman the rebellion was almost at an end as well, and China completely conquered.

The remaining government officials of the vanquished nation were presented terms of peace for the second time. Half a year previously they already had declined our peace-'deal' when I had a warscore of 98. Now, at 100 they caved in and handed over the government of the largest nation on earth to me. The number 1 army was no more. China was wiped of the map and Japan victorious!

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Congratulations, Singleton Mosby!

You just killed your research rate* and pretty much guaranteed yourself a complete absence of future challenges save rebellions, which will be more of an annoyance than a threat for the next few decades.



* Okay, I said that for effect; It isn't actually true as you merely retarded it long-term by gaining lots of low literacy low consciousness POPs. But who needs to be in the forefront of inventiveness when they have the resources of China to build on?

 

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• #479

Get releasing puppets!

Well done.

I am sad to see Japan rather than Japanese China.

 

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Congrats! Although I am somewhat saddened that it could be done, I am impressed nonetheless.