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I'll vote for Patton if he runs, no matter which party. I don't mind breaking the Southern Democrat tradition again.

Patton-Goldwater in '64! :D

I can just imagine their television campaign ad. The two of them riding around in a jeep, running down America's problems.

It would be kinda like Bush's famous Tank Ride ad in 1988. The difference, of course, being that Patton would look better riding around than Dukakis did.
 
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Patton-Goldwater in '64! :D

I can just imagine their television campaign ad. The two of them riding around in a jeep, running down America's problems.

It would be kinda like Bush's famous Tank Ride ad in 1988. The difference, of course, being that Patton would look better riding around than Dukakis did.

I'd rather have someone else as the VP as someone else. Maybe Patton/Reagan?
 
First off, thank you so much for the updates, they are superb, as usual. Two questions, what happened to Ceylon and when will you invade India? Also, could you post another world map?
 
I'd rather have someone else as the VP as someone else. Maybe Patton/Reagan?
I can imagine it now
"Mr. Gorbachev tear d..."
*BOOM*
Patton blows a hole in the Brandenburg Gate and then drives his tank through.
 
First off, thank you so much for the updates, they are superb, as usual. Two questions, what happened to Ceylon and when will you invade India? Also, could you post another world map?

Shouldn't you rather trick the PM into the next Civil Service payrise?


:D

Sorry, couldn't resist when I saw your nick.
 
I'll vote for Patton if he runs, no matter which party. I don't mind breaking the Southern Democrat tradition again.

He will run as a Republican if and when he runs.

is that 3 atom bombs that your not using. nuke the germans to save lives

oh how will you liberate Russia?

I do have 3 atom bombs that I am not using. I do not like to use atom bombs if I do not have to as I think they are cheap. I will only use it if I cannot make progress without them. All of the Eastern European Countries like Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states will be liberated and the rest will either be one country or several. If it is several, it will be broken into Siberia, Primosk, and Russia, as I believe those are the three countries that can be formed out of the territories of Russia.

Patton-Goldwater in '64! :D

I can just imagine their television campaign ad. The two of them riding around in a jeep, running down America's problems.

It would be kinda like Bush's famous Tank Ride ad in 1988. The difference, of course, being that Patton would look better riding around than Dukakis did.

I can see that very well as well, especially as Patton is a tank commander.

I'd rather have someone else as the VP as someone else. Maybe Patton/Reagan?

I really do not know who his VP would be, as I am not familiar with a lot of the politicians of the 50's and 60's. While I am a history buff, as my name says, my interests to not go much farther then WWII. Also, I could not add in someone so if they are not already available as a VP, they cannot be selected.

Bradley had now been cooling his heels for several months. While his duties as Chief of Staff kept him plenty busy, he was still hungry for some action. He had not seen any real action for far to long and he feared that he might fall out of popularity if he did not get some soon, as public attention was continuosly drawn to Patton. He wanted the plan for India to go ahead, but the problem was that there were too many soldiers and too few ships to transport them. Also, in order for the attack to go ahead, The southern part of the Arabian peninsula would first have to be liberated, a task that was to be assigned to some African troops in the area. However, with the fall of Italy, Bradley thought he might have found a much easier way to get this job done. Italy had been in control of Ceylon, and with the surrender of Italy, that territory had passed to the Americans (ignore the part in one of the previous updates that said I gave them independence, I did not since they have no ministers). He therefore concoted a revision to the original plan. Instead of invading from Oman and landing at various points throughout India, he would house half of his forces in Oman while he housed the other half in Ceylon. Those in Oman would land on the West Coast of India, those in Ceylon would land in the south and in the East. All three forces would then move north, link up, and cut Persia and Northwestern India off from Burma, and denying the ability of the troops stationed their to retreat into Japanese territory. This would be made even more effective if Japanese troops were to brought up to defend India, a not altogether unlikely occurence. German forces had helped the Japanese immensly in finally subduing China, it would threfore be not to unlikely that they should repay the debt by helping to defend India. He only hoped the attack could be assembled soon, as he feared that the command of the attack might fall to someone else if he waited to long. He had not idea of MacArthur's plan to invade on his own orders, but he did fear that Clark might decide to keep the advance going into India or that Truman might order someone else to head up the invasion. This was too be an issue for someone who many believed would be Truman's successor. He had been very close to Truman for some time, and many believed that Truman might pick him as his handpicked successor. He had learned a lot about politics from the man and he was a proven leader and therefore many believed him to be ideally suited to the position. The fame he had garnered by being Cheif of Staff for the majority of the war and from his liberation of Africa combined with the popularity boost he would get by being endorsed by Truman himself would make him incredibly likely to win any election. Of course, that was not taking into account Patton's private desires to run. These two men hated each other and they were not ashamed to show it. Bradley thought Patton to be an arrogant blowhard who was overly found of boasting. He also thought him to be overly aggressive and full of himself and lacking any diplomatic skill. Bradley also believed him to be a glory hound who cared too much for his own reputation. Patton in turn thought that Bradley was stuck up overly cautious and and ass kisser. He also thought of him as Truman's lapdog. However, they both acknowledged that if one of them ran, the only one with even the slightest chance of beating him would be the other one. If they ran against each other, it would be a fight and it was almost guaranteed to get ugly, and to get ugly fast, and this time, there would be no Truman to hold them back.
However, all of that would have to wait until the war was won, as no one besides Hitler seriously believed the Germans could win at this point. Indeed, they were already having partisan problems, and several regions in Russia had fallen to these Partisans.
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It was becoming abundantly clear now that things were beginning to come apart at the seems. Clark was making preparations for an offensive into Persia by bringing up men from Turkey to the front lines
The America forces also continued their advance in Russia and gains were also being made in the Arctic Front against Finland with the fall of the great Northern port city of Murmansk.
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In the Baltic, Latvia and Lithuania had fallen and Estonia was almost liberated as well, with only Narva remaining in German hands.
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In Russia itself, it looked more and more like Patton would live up to his boast, as he and his men got closer and closer to the former Soviet capital. They had already advanced deep into the Russian heartland and had announced the liberation of the nation of Belorussia.
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Most of the Ukraine, including the Crimea, had also been liberated and further advances were being carried out.
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In the Pacific, things were also going well. Frustrated with by not being able to pull off any big offensives in the area, MacArthur had decided to order the liberation of the strategic island of new Britain and the important naval base of Rabaul that was located there. while escorting the troops there, Halsley's fleet was able to catch a Japanese fleet operating in the surrounding area and sink two Japanese Carriers, the Katsuragia and the Soryu
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The Americans were able to take the island without any resistance, but Halsley managed to catch and sink another Japanese carrier, the Amagi as it was escaping.
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When MacArthur was informed of this, he was stunned by the utter stupidity of the Japanese. He could not believe that they would be fool enough to commit three carriers to holding what was for all intents and purposes, a rather insignificant island. It was in prime postion to harrass the Americans, but other bases could be used for that as could land based bombers. Now the Japanese had lost three carriers they could barely afford to replace. things were looking better and better by the moment in the Pacific, as the best allied spies (I have the maximum ammount of spies possible in Japan) reported that the Japanese possessed no more carriers, however, they had been wrong before.
The Russian front was not static either during these events, and in the south, American forces had reached the Don river in some places and were fast approaching it in most others.
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Advances were also being made all along the line.
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By far the most important of these advances, however, was that of Patton himself. Patton had managed to take Smolensk and Vyzama after the liberation of Belorussia and had also just taken Mozhaisk. That meant their was now nothing standing between him and Moscow but the cities garrison, and it was too small to hold out for long.
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In the Caucuses, The American forces stationed in the Crimea and those advancing south from the Ukraine had managed to encircle an enemy force in Krasnodar.
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In the Arctic campaign, advances were also being made and 4 Finish divisions found themselves cut off and surrounded in Kola.
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Back in Russia, two events happened of significance happened as well. The First was Patton reaching the gates of Moscow. He ordered an attack of his 12 divisions on the 4 divisions holding the city.
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However, despite promising odds and having lost most of the city, the German soldiers, fighting under the eyes of their fuhrer himself, who it is rumored actually came out and took personal command of some of the troops, made a heroic stand at the Kremlin itself and refused to be dislodged. This stand forced the allied divisions to retreat. However, Patton remained determined to take the city and all he had to do was wait until the forces advancing south of the city were in position to give support from the South. With a two front attack, he felt sure the defenders would break.
the other event was the announcement of the liberation of the Ukraine by Patton. After years of foreign rule by one power after another, which was only broken for a brief period after WWI and before the Soviet takeover of the region, the Ukraine was finally free.
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General Cates, who had been advancing through Estonia, also reached the city of Leningrad, which had been renamed Adolphsburg by the Germans. He immediately began an assault on the city. However, the defenders fought like demons and the assault failed to carry the city.
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However, the other great city of Russia, Moscow soon met with a much different fate. After a lengthy and bloody battle for the city, it finally fell to a two pronged assault from North and South on September 2, 1958.
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Patton entered the city soon after its fall and was welcomed by a massive crowd of people cheering him on, waving a mixture of Russian, American, and even the odd Soviet flag. people rushed his command car in an attempt to get a better look at the man who was their liberator. He had become a hero in Russia as he had in the rest of Europe. Patton described the scene as" something he had not seen the likes of since the liberation of Paris, which was the only other celebration to surpass this one". Caught up in the emotions of the moment, Patton gave a speech in which he swore to all those assembled that he would free them from the oppressive rule of their German conquerors and that he would not rest until he had done so. Patton was deeply moved by the reception he got. He had expected to be greeted rather warmly as a liberator, but nothing on the scale of this. "It is amazing", he recalled " Thirty years ago, I probably would have met nothing but scorn upon entering this city, I being a doctrinal enemy of the old Soviet Union, now they love me". While this was likely exaggerated, it was still enough to surprise him. It should not have been. After declaring war on the Germans, thinking they could easily crush them, distracted as they were at the time in Scandinavia and Britain, the Soviet Union had suffered one disaster after another at the hands of the Germans. They soon suffered reverses far greater then the reverses that had caused the crisis that toppled the Tsar in WWI. Then, most of their army got encircled in the Caucuses while the rest of the country fell. Finally, the government had been forced to sue for a peace treaty to ensure its own survival. In the peace treaty, which was signed in Moscow as a further humiliation it almost all of its territory, reducing it to a mere rump state in Siberia. To the Russian people, this was viewed as a betrayal. To save its own skin, it had abandoned most of its people to foreign rule and oppression by the Germans in the West and the Japanese in the East. When combined with the utter failure to stop the German advances and defend their country, this was enough to make the Russian people turn their backs on the old Soviet Union and its communist ideology. What had Communism gotten them but defeat, occupation, and humiliation. The Russian people thus embraced their liberation with great fervor and looked forward to being able to shape their own government after the war.
 
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Wow, that must have been weird to see the Germans flee from Moscow just like the Soviets did two decades ago. History's a son of a bitch, ain't it?
 
Shouldn't you rather trick the PM into the next Civil Service payrise?


:D

Sorry, couldn't resist when I saw your nick.

Yes, Minister.

Adolphsburg...what a weird name for a city.

No stranger than Stalingrad, or Washington for that matter.

Do you realize that there are now sixty-three allied nations?

The war'll be over by Christmas, 1960
 
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First off, thank you so much for the updates, they are superb, as usual. Two questions, what happened to Ceylon and when will you invade India? Also, could you post another world map?

I can, I will have to load back and take those screenshots, as I have played a few months ahead. As for Ceylon, even though the Screenshot says I released it, as I said in the update, that was a mistake, It is still under my control and I intend to use it as a base for invasion if Bradley is the one to launch the invasion. As for India, I was all set to invade it a while back, but then something happened that through me off track a bit, so it will have to be pushed back even further. As for who will lead the invasion, I am not yet sure on that point. I am hoping it can be a proper race.

I can imagine it now
"Mr. Gorbachev tear d..."
*BOOM*
Patton blows a hole in the Brandenburg Gate and then drives his tank through.
I can so see that in my head now and the image I get is hilarious
Wow, that must have been weird to see the Germans flee from Moscow just like the Soviets did two decades ago. History's a son of a bitch, ain't it?

It most certainly is a son of a bitch. I was the one who led them into Moscow all those years ago too. Yes, I created the German monster I am now trying to crush, ironic isn't it. It was awfully satisfying back then and it is still satisfying now.

Adolphsburg...what a weird name for a city.

I heard someplace that the Germans actually intended to rename the city to that if they had taken it, in at least one of their plans. I will have to verify the information though, cause I got it from a less then absolutely reliable source (aka Wikipedia)

Yes, Minister.



No stranger than Stalingrad, or Washington for that matter.

Do you realize that there are now sixty-three allied nations?

The war'll be over by Christmas, 1960

I actually did not do a proper count. Indeed it might be over by christmas. However, all those European allies are not supplying troops yet. I am waiting untill I can send 12 divisions each or until they are needed.

Another update will be coming soon. Just as soon as I sort out a little problem I am having.
 
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Other schemas for Leningrad included giving the city to the Finns, while it still would serve as the administrative center for the conquered Russian lands...

nevertheless, Adolphsburg will be renamed to Bradleytown? :p

Tim
 
Other schemas for Leningrad included giving the city to the Finns, while it still would serve as the administrative center for the conquered Russian lands...

nevertheless, Adolphsburg will be renamed to Bradleytown? :p

Tim

maybe St. Bradleysburg?


Also, how are you going to deal with Russia? It seems to me that a partition would be the best thing.

Third thought, what are we doin' vis-a-vis the Caucasus?

I'd recommend Abkhazia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ossetia, Ingueshtia, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan all be given sovereignty at the very least.

Also, how will you deal with East Prussia?

Similarly, What are we doing with regards to the Belorussian-Polish territory disputes?

And shouldn't the Eastern border of Ukraine be the Don?

We need a conference on the post war borders of Europe a-la Potsdam to sort this all out.

If you like that idea post screenshots of all the areas behind the front lines still under American control and we'll figure something out.
 
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Other idea, where should your men stop to reinforce and reorganize? I notice your troops are getting spread a little thin, perhaps one might want to consider slowing the pace of the offensives for a week or so that you don't get stretched too thin.


Oh, also, make sure to give the Finns the territory they lost to the Soviets in the Winter War, after all, they are a democracy and only aided the Nazis due to the Soviet threat. Maybe they could even get some extra.
 
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TTL version of "Patton" is going to be friggin awesome.

George C Scott would probably have no contest for the Oscar.

At the rate Patton is going, he may live long enough to see his biopic.
 
Other schemas for Leningrad included giving the city to the Finns, while it still would serve as the administrative center for the conquered Russian lands...

nevertheless, Adolphsburg will be renamed to Bradleytown? :p

Tim

Indeed, the cities days are indeed numbered.

maybe St. Bradleysburg?


Also, how are you going to deal with Russia? It seems to me that a partition would be the best thing.

Third thought, what are we doin' vis-a-vis the Caucasus?

I'd recommend Abkhazia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ossetia, Ingueshtia, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan all be given sovereignty at the very least.

Also, how will you deal with East Prussia?

Similarly, What are we doing with regards to the Belorussian-Polish territory disputes?

And shouldn't the Eastern border of Ukraine be the Don?

We need a conference on the post war borders of Europe a-la Potsdam to sort this all out.

If you like that idea post screenshots of all the areas behind the front lines still under American control and we'll figure something out.

I am really not sure about what will happen with Russia. I was firmly in favor of partition just because I thought it would be cool, but now, I am not sure whether it would just make the whole area incredibly unstable. The theme of post war distributions will be to create stability and avoid conflict. That is why contentious decisions, like Turkey forking over all that terrritoy is being put to a plebisicite. As for the Caucuses, I intend to create as many indepenendent states in that region as the game will let me. Poland will get back as much territory as I can get them to give back, but I do not know if I can give them much because the liberated Poland actually has no claims on those territories. East Prussia will probably be given to Poland. The only big questions right now are New Guinea and Russia, and both may be put to a vote if I cannot make up my mind.

Other idea, where should your men stop to reinforce and reorganize? I notice your troops are getting spread a little thin, perhaps one might want to consider slowing the pace of the offensives for a week or so that you don't get stretched too thin.


Oh, also, make sure to give the Finns the territory they lost to the Soviets in the Winter War, after all, they are a democracy and only aided the Nazis due to the Soviet threat. Maybe they could even get some extra.

For the first part of your post, I usually use the winters to reorganize and redeploy my troops, as no offensive operations take place during the winter in Russia for the most part. As for the Finns, I plan to give them back those lost territories. I am even toying with the idea of letting them keep all of the territory they took from Russia on the grounds that it would give them more defensible frontiers.
TTL version of "Patton" is going to be friggin awesome.

George C Scott would probably have no contest for the Oscar.
Agreed
At the rate Patton is going, he may live long enough to see his biopic.
He may live long enough indeed, considering I do not think he will run for President until 1964, seeing as the war does not look like it will be over by 1960 were I am at.
After he force feeds Hitler his own G**D*** mustache
I laughed pretty hard when I read this. The image I get in my head is just priceless.
I would pay to see that scene.
I would pay to see it as well.
Alright, I finally fixed my little issue and am ready to continue updating. I have played pretty well ahead at this point, so I have a lot of material. New updates will start coming next week. I am hoping to get one up Monday but we will have to see what happens.
 
I am really not sure about what will happen with Russia. I was firmly in favor of partition just because I thought it would be cool, but now, I am not sure whether it would just make the whole area incredibly unstable. The theme of post war distributions will be to create stability and avoid conflict. That is why contentious decisions, like Turkey forking over all that terrritoy is being put to a plebisicite. As for the Caucuses, I intend to create as many indepenendent states in that region as the game will let me. Poland will get back as much territory as I can get them to give back, but I do not know if I can give them much because the liberated Poland actually has no claims on those territories. East Prussia will probably be given to Poland. The only big questions right now are New Guinea and Russia, and both may be put to a vote if I cannot make up my mind.

For the first part of your post, I usually use the winters to reorganize and redeploy my troops, as no offensive operations take place during the winter in Russia for the most part. As for the Finns, I plan to give them back those lost territories. I am even toying with the idea of letting them keep all of the territory they took from Russia on the grounds that it would give them more defensible frontiers.


My suggestions vis a vis those are by all means give the Finns all that land, make new Guinea one nation, independent from Indonesia, and I can't decide on the Russian Question.

Also, how many divisions are you getting from Africa at this point?

AND WHY WON'T THE FRIGGIN' MEXICANS, BRAZILIANS AND ARGENTINIANS JOIN? Isn't there an event that allows for that?

Oh, and definitely post a world map, that would be great.
 
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AND WHY WON'T THE FRIGGIN' MEXICANS, BRAZILIANS AND ARGENTINIANS JOIN? Isn't there an event that allows for that?

Maybe they are too busy complimenting each other on their "ans".