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    Exclamation Hearts of Iron: Modern Warfare

    Yes or no?

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    No, I don't think HOI3 is modern warfare it is clearly stated it to be WW2 era warfare.

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    Are you suggesting an expansion to HoI3 that would have fight in the modern world? WW 3?

    The problem with that is the fact that there are enough nukes in Russian and USA arsenals to wipe out everything alive, so all games would end up very, very horribly

    That said, I am sure someone would make a modern warfare mod for HoI3.
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    As a suggestion?

    frankly I dont think that HOI3 works too well for the modern era. Certain weapon systems are just difficult to approximate, and then you have the whole MAD issue which means that all wars between majors would likely end with walking through downtown dc being shot at by super mutants. I dont really know how they can model stuff like ssgns, ssbns etc or various other issues. Also unless you have a war between majors any conventional conflict that doesnt degenerate into guerrilla warfare becomes a little boring.

    If you want a really good modern warfare wargame I recommend Harpoon, though I personally havent played it in a while, having overplayed it before, also its more for naval warfare rather than land.

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    Of course... a Modern Warfare expansion for HOI-3 (including thermonuclear armageddon) would open the door to a subsequent "Giant Mutant Cockroaches Take Over the World" expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue emu View Post
    Of course... a Modern Warfare expansion for HOI-3 (including thermonuclear armageddon) would open the door to a subsequent "Giant Mutant Cockroaches Take Over the World" expansion.
    I like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasily View Post
    Yes or no?
    Well, maybe, but I still would say no after all. Such expansion would need to have included serious limitation on the use of nuclear and other mass slaughter weapons to make it playable and fun. But considering, that the modern warfare is all about the asymetric wars, you are loosing all the fun in it (I mean it is not challenging at all = not fun). So to make it enjoyable, you would need to make it a simulation of a global war. But if you make it a global war, you also need to include a massive usage of nuclear weapons. And this makes it NOT fun again.

    Can you see that vicious circle in it?
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    Id like to see a separate new game series from them about the cold war era much rather then a Hearts of Iron game.

    Hearts of Iron is about WW2 or a possible WW3 starting in the forties, any attempts to take it later haven't ended up well due to for example inability to model insurgencies, missile & satellite warfare and demobilization.
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    YES! Exclude nukes and put it in near future (like 2015-2030) then it would be better than WW2 era game.

    Problem with WW2 and world map is that most regions are a bit useless. Whole outcome of the war is mainly resolved in Europe. Skirmishes elsewhere are not that meaningfull.

    Near future would have much larger number of powerfull countries and their geographical location would be more dispersed.
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    This would be great though the game would be more focused on Diplomacy and economy rather than warfare, in effect a sort of vicky though more specialised with regard to espionage, international trade and diplomacy. Where war could of course be possible but would if it involved the 2 nuclear camps resulting in game end or some other bizarre stability.

    Games like shadow president or conflict middle east both pretty old are what I am thinking about.

    It would be great if paradox implemented this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkTheTrick View Post
    The problem with that is the fact that there are enough nukes in Russian and USA arsenals to wipe out everything alive, so all games would end up very, very horribly
    Many games and movies ignore that a WWIII between the great/super powers would be quite short.

    But I would like to see a political simulation taking place in ours days. A political simulation somehow like Victoria 2, with a heavy focus on domestic policy and little wars and interventions here and there.

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    Why not make an expansion based on WW1 !?!?! I mean, I know there are mods out there but devs could make an official expansion, covering WW1, maybe even Boer war, with an added possiblity to play from 1900 to 1954 or at least from 1918 to 1954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spricar View Post
    Why not make an expansion based on WW1 !?!?! I mean, I know there are mods out there but devs could make an official expansion, covering WW1, maybe even Boer war, with an added possiblity to play from 1900 to 1954 or at least from 1918 to 1954
    In my 30 years of gaming, I've played precisely 1 divisional-level game of WW1. There are good reasons for that, to do with there not being enough tea in China to persuade me that doing it again was a good idea. Warfare at the beginning of the height of its industrialisation was not an interesting tactical exercise. If the game presented it so that it was an interesting tactical exercise, it'd be missing the point and spirit and be even more hopelessly unrealistic than HOI is already.

    At a higher level, it's possibly an interesting period, but that's not where HOI's strengths lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spricar View Post
    Why not make an expansion based on WW1 !?!?! I mean, I know there are mods out there but devs could make an official expansion, covering WW1, maybe even Boer war, with an added possiblity to play from 1900 to 1954 or at least from 1918 to 1954
    There is a game covering WW1 already and a sequel in development. Victoria & Victoria2.
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    Bad idea, so I vote: Nay
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    No thanx... Then I'd prefer more WW2 HOI3 expansions :-)

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    Good Idea; I like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_brunius View Post
    There is a game covering WW1 already and a sequel in development. Victoria & Victoria2.
    Vicky isn't a war game, though.

    A grand strategy game on the Cold War would be awesome, but not like HoI. It'd have to focus a lot on espionage and diplomacy.

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    Hmm... I would more prefer a game where u could do uprising against the government and create a new country, like in Jugoslavia, that would be AWESOME !

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