Did you have any treaties to ensure your own survival? Being the smallest power in the area requires you to convince someone strong that your survival is valuable.
I would have had if these backstabbers would have spoken with me.
Did you have any treaties to ensure your own survival? Being the smallest power in the area requires you to convince someone strong that your survival is valuable.
I would have had if these backstabbers would have spoken with me.
Maybe you could have found a patron elsewhere? Or, when Denmark started to sign NAPs with everyone else, you could have offered Cornwall immediately in return for protection?
Maybe you could have found a patron elsewhere? Or, when Denmark started to sign NAPs with everyone else, you could have offered Cornwall immediately in return for protection?
I did offer him quite attractive deals just prior to the session... Ike refused, knowing (perhaps even better than I ) that what was going to happen if he would let the thing escalate into war between france and Denmark.
A deal that wouldn't have prevent this from happening. That hyena would still have attacked and Bavaria would have joined him to prevent him from getting it all.
thats severe understatement for someone's diplomatic skills, expecially someone's who has conquered more provinces with MSN than many in actuall game-play wars
Cornwall was not an option to give away without a fight. A fight that could have ended in a stalemate if it wouldn't have been for the treacherous Arabs. If i cant trust my neighbours i wouldn't have had any one else to turn to. Russia has its own problems. Croatia is frigthened by Byzantium. And there rest of the muslim nations wouldn't have lifted a finger for a nation on the other side of the map.
You mean that you have been given them out of pity? =D
Frosty said:The French may want to fortify their British holdings...
So should we interpt this by what ways? That Andalucia has gone into rather large scale conquere-adventurism? Note that I did gave rather strong singal that I didn't wish any other nation to exploid my projected 1-on-1 war against France into annexation fest. Quite the opposite and thus I feel mediocorely betrayed.
You wanted it all you backstabing hyena! For the rest of this game i will make sure that Andalus is destroyed even if i have to burn down all of Iberia.
Did you have any treaties to ensure your own survival? Being the smallest power in the area requires you to convince someone strong that your survival is valuable.
You are entitled to your opinion; Al-Andalus respects it and deplores your feeling of betrayal. Al-Andalus, however, felt it would be better if defenseless Loire would at least not entirely be swallowed by its local peers, Denmark and Bavaria. I think you will agree with me that the way things are now is preferable to having Bavaria eat it all, right?
I don't quite see how this would make me a backstabber - I did not violate any treaty. I pretty much stabbed you from the front, but that will still kill you.
Thing is, Al-Andalus always prefers the peaceful solution. However, the strategic circumstances were simply of such a nature that continued Loirean survival was unlikely, and we had to act to safeguard our own long-term survivability. Being hemmed in by Bavaria (who has NAPs and DAs with its other neighbours!) is no picnic.
Ostensibly, he did not. Hence, the analysis that his strategic situation was hopeless.
Let it be known that it does not please me to have attacked Ike; my enmity is in no way personal, simply a necessity of circumstances. In fact, I am still grateful to Ike for his subbing of Al-Andalus.
Al-Andalus, however, felt it would be better if defenseless Loire would at least not entirely be swallowed by its local peers, Denmark and Bavaria. I think you will agree with me that the way things are now is preferable to having Bavaria eat it all, right?
Unless the plan was alltogether annex france and everything else is and was just teather?
Or the whole thing was just rush to action without carefull thinking from rather new comer nation to the great politics and thus all the damage was unfortunate accident and repearable in future diplomatic manouvres??
(hint, hint )
I for one am not to terribly happy about France getting annexed just like that, and without prior warning. Granted by old friend and allies, so I'm not to terribly worried by it, but still.
I haven't yet been beaten
You can lie to yourself and your minions. You can claim that you haven't a qualm. But you never can run from, nor hide what you've done from the eyes. The very eyes of Crom.
Well Denmark had never inclined any ambitions to annex france. I think our Conquest CB were so obvious to everyone to the point of making mockery out of my misery when it first appeared that Ike couldn't join in for the session.
As for Bavaria, I think it was also rather evident that Denmark and Bavaria where allied and one could assume that allied nations share the same perspective for grand strategical goals.
So I think jumping to the conclusion that Al-Andalus "must" eat all of france at once is bit...well jumping into conclusions One could argue that Al-andalus had planned their move all along, and used my war as just as excuse to achieve it?
Because I must wonder why would annexation + all the human BB it gives to be anywere preferable solution than either 1) A joint agreement between france's other neighbours how to "protect" the french people and the strategical situation or 2) Retaining Cornwall-less Loire as harmless puppet nation between the western great powers.
Unless the plan was alltogether annex france and everything else is and was just teather?
Or the whole thing was just rush to action without carefull thinking from rather new comer nation to the great politics and thus all the damage was unfortunate accident and repearable in future diplomatic manouvres??
(hint, hint )
* It was not Al-Andalus who struck the first blow.
* It was not Al-Andalus who was first to get DA's with all of Western Europe. Indeed, I think I was just in time in doing so.
* Bavaria and Denmark, instead of coming to Loire's aid and declaiming Al-Andalus, stepped up their conquests when Al-Andalus intervened.
Al-Andalus is willing to entertain alternatives, but is obviously not so unhappy with the current situation, and obviously declines to honour of being labeled sole aggressor
This is indeed good proposal and the great western Nations should hold conference over the france situation.Any discussions would have to include Denmark and Bavaria
Denmark is not on path for demonising Al-Andalus and its reputation without giving Al-Andalus change and opportunity to defend itself. The relationships between the great western nations are from our perspective so good that they allow bit of danish inqvisition to provocate straigth actions and answers, don't you think?
This is indeed good proposal and the great western Nations should hold conference over the france situation.