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    Quote Originally Posted by Foelsgaard View Post
    Also, we are going to rearrange base tax and manpower to more closely resemble the CK distribution. I'd say you'd have to take the levels of income in the current conversion with a fair bit of salt.
    PLEASE NOTE: This has already been done. I don't know why people are still under the impression that this is a TODO, I've said multiple times that it's been implemented.
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    EU3 numbers quoted are probably before vassal-annexation. Let it be known I am almost entirely unified, whereas Russia is only at like 20%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Men View Post
    PLEASE NOTE: This has already been done. I don't know why people are still under the impression that this is a TODO, I've said multiple times that it's been implemented.
    Hm.. I guess its because the income levels at face value still seem completely out of touch with the CK levels. Maybe if you post a blob version of the save game things will be clearer? *nudge nudge*
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    The Military Frontier

    To trap half the Don Host between a Roman army and the Ingulets, and thus bring them to heel, was one thing; to usefully integrate the new fighting men into the Roman military, quite another. Konstantinos was well aware of the dangers of foederati, barbarian troops allowed to serve under their own leaders. At Adrianople a millennium earlier, the Goths, revolting from such terms, had killed an Emperor and set in motion the loss of the West. Konstantinos was careful to avoid the mistakes of the Emperor Valens: He took hostages from the families of the hetmen, but he also soothed their touchy pride by producing Komnenos daughters (of collateral branches, to be sure) to marry into the Cossack families. Unlike the Czar, he did not make treaties with the Host as with a sovereign entity; as he had just demonstrated, sovereign entities can be induced to change their minds at inconvenient times. Rather he assigned each stanitsa a Roman officer, and spread the new units across the Balkan military frontier with Croatia - making sure that each Cossack unit was paired with a powerful Roman one to keep an eye on it.

    Rome had always had the advantage in pitched battle with the Croatian tribes. Croatia had no millennial tradition of disciplined regular infantry such as were recruited from the Anatolian hills, nor did the Hungarian plains supply the heavy grain-fed horses that supported cataphracts. But in the perennial warfare of raid and razzia conducted across the Military Frontier, the light cavalry of Croatia had the same advantages that the Cossacks had enjoyed on the Black Sea: They were too many and too fast for the regulars to stop. Roman retaliation against Croatian villages merely produced more wasteland for the light cavalry to maneuver in; in this fashion, the valley of the Danube had, over two generations, been reduced to a lawless battlefield. Although Rome claimed, in principle, all this land up to the southern Carpathians, in practice it belonged to men on horseback, nominally loyal to the Croatian throne, who extracted from the remaining peasants 'taxes' amounting to confiscation of all that was not needed for bare survival.

    Into this cauldron, Konstantinos now released the Cossacks of the Don Host, equipped with the output of the State forges of Constantinople; where the Czar had supplied arrows, Konstantinos opened his hands to shower mail coats, sabres, and helmets on his new troops - and relocated peasants from the Anatolian hills, recruited with the promise of farmland, for their support. Thus armed, the Don Host swept through the valley of the Danube like a cleansing flame, and in their tracks rose new villages, built atop the blackened ruins of the old. The Croatian raiders had never been numerous, drawing their support, as they did, not from a great State capable of moving hundreds of tons of grain across the Black Sea, but from such poverty-stricken villages as had survived. It was speed and elusiveness, not military formidability, that had made them such a problem.

    With the first stage of his design accomplished, Konstantinos unleashed the second: Regular warfare, intended to seize the fortresses along the Carpathians, to which the Croatians had retreated. He had no intention of allowing the Danube basin to be permanently militarised, even if it was now patrolled by troops loyal to Rome rather than Croatia. Here, too, his Cossack auxiliaries showed their worth: To their traditional advantages in set-piece engagements, the Romans now added equality in foraging and scouting. Worse, the Czar, his lands in turmoil from his recent defeats and a repeated Persian invasion, could not come to Croatia's aid. The result was a tide of victory that recalled the days of Thomas the Conqueror, and indeed it looked as though Konstantinos might add that accolade to his name before the age of forty.

    To all things there is a balance. Unable to muster enough steel to defeat the warrior Emperor on a daylight field, the Croatians instead turned to gold, and bought daggers in the dark.





    His successor, though an able man, did not have quite the scintillating brilliance of the Breaker of the Don. He could not wield the armies of Rome like a knife. Nor did he have the lingering aura of terrible victory and destruction that had overawed the hetmen since Konstantinos had stood by the Ingulets and threatened to wipe out their people to the last unbearded boy. He was a competent administrator, popular enough among his Komnenos peers to win the election, and withal a good-enough man to hold the Purple. But he did not understand the dread instrument of war that Konstantinos had forged from the union of civilisation and barbarism; and he squandered the victory the Cossacks had won, imposing only a light peace on the Croatian kingdom.

    The legacy of Konstantinos, then, was not all it might have been; but still he had won peace on the Black Sea and in the basin of the Danube, had brought to heel the Croatian tribes and curbed the overweening power of the Czar. For far lesser deeds have men been acclaimed Shield of the State. It is not to be wondered at if his successors, mortal men all, were cowed by his massive shadow.

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    Midgame update:

    Napoli and Salerno become Arab after brutal campaign of subjugation!
    vR resigns, our old Polish player Ike takes over as Russia, Croatians quiver in their boots!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenWall View Post
    Midgame update:

    Napoli and Salerno become Arab after brutal campaign of subjugation!
    vR resigns, our old Polish player Ike takes over as Russia, Croatians quiver in their boots!
    We are friends with Croatia. We are friends with benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenWall View Post
    vR resigns, our old Polish player Ike takes over as Russia, Croatians quiver in their boots!
    I've known about this all week... so no, not really.
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    Another 10 years progress has been made, Persia predictably enough attacks Russia again and is trying to weasel off and steal all of Ike's access to Siberia for EU3, I subbing France leapt to their aid, Finland/Denmark grudgeningly followed suit, stalemate ensues.

    Afaik, no peace treaty where Russia forks over more territory is acceptable to the powers that be without the following assurances:

    1) Persia agrees to a NAP until 1399.
    2) Ike has equal and fair access to Siberia.
    He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue... In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
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    Finland/Denmark grudgeningly followed suit, stalemate ensues.
    Well technically Denmark isen't at war with anyone at the moment. We still strongly urges both sides to come up with peacesolution which is reasonable for all sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid Meier View Post
    War in Russia
    And where are Persias friends in all of this? Why stuck in Italy of course! The AI Toulousian Emperors spend the entire session launching crusades on poor, poor Caliphate!

    1st Crusade: Caliphate beats up AI, takes Italian toe as compensation as per rules of lenient peace to AI'd nations. Accidentally also takes Rome while trying to surrender claims, at least we didn't give away Sicily this time.

    2nd Crusade: Caliphate beats up AI, AI peaces for 500 Arab bags o' gold.

    3rd Crusade: Caliphate decides to go for source of Problem, annexes Pope and ends Crusade on Jerusalem! Pope pops up in Salisbury, declares new Crusade on Rome! Caliphate beats up AI, AI refuses peace for gold. Caliphate beats up AI further, AI refuses peace for gold, Rome and Orbetello. Caliphate AIs rebel. Caliphate absolutely smashes AI into the ground, AI stubbornly refuses any peace.
    Calipha loses all faith in Paradox AI programers.

    Current situation:
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeYoshi View Post
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    Mupdate session 33, yr 1319: In which there is much campaigning in Italy, and Persia goes for Siberian hegemony!



    In this session:

    Napoli and Salerno are converted to Arab!

    AI Italy gets into repeated wars with Caliphate, is beaten badly, but refuses any form of peace!
    Caliphate vassals take opportunity to rebell left right and center while army is away, Caliphate falls in and out of realm duress!

    Ike takes over Russia after vR leaves.
    Croatians try to convince Russia to surrender Kiev to them.

    Persia assaults Russia in a bid to secure Siberia for himself in EU3!
    France subbed by Blayne comes to Russias rescue!
    Our newly inflated Denmark makes menacing noices against Persia
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    Dônmark was also offered by a French sub to whole of Cornwall in exhange to figth against russia...
    I don't know about you, but I my books subs should paramountly sub the nations they are actually playing, Not tearing down that nation in order to help someone completely random far away country.

    The sub need to ask himself, would carrilon gone into war against Persia? And bribed a third party to join in by giving valuable posession of lands?

    BTW I need sub next weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollevainen View Post
    Dônmark was also offered by a French sub to whole of Cornwall in exhange to figth against russia...
    I don't know about you, but I my books subs should paramountly sub the nations they are actually playing, Not tearing down that nation in order to help someone completely random far away country.

    The sub need to ask himself, would carrilon gone into war against Persia? And bribed a third party to join in by giving valuable posession of lands?

    BTW I need sub next weekend
    I felt that frankly in all honesty golle that if I didn't offer it to you, you would've secured Bavaria's blessing and taken it from me regardless, you can try to deny it but I believe it was a high probability, sacrificing it to preserve the balance of power was to me in France's best interest to insure that Persia doesn't become an overly massive behemoth that can dictate terms to france with ease in EU3.
    He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue... In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
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