In view of the CORE/BL-Logic partnership I've contacted Cardus to give our input regarding the current tech team setup in AoD. As such, we've decided to actually do it here, on the public forums, rather than behind the scenes. This way the community can share it's thoughts and suggestions.
First off, this is just our view and knowledge on the matter, we'd like to share to make AoD even better. That doesn't mean we (the CORE team) actually have to be right - it's just an opinion, nothing more. It's up to Cardus to decide what advice is followed up upon, and which is not. If anyone disagrees with our views, or has additional information on the subject, please feel free to chime in. It's in the form of a good and healthy discussion we'd like to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Let's start things relatively easy, at least for me, as a Dutchie. I'm using the 1.04 Tech Team Beta as a base here, which happens to fully match the Vanilla setup for 1.04RC4.
2300 Artillerie Inrichtingen Hembrug
Would suggest to change the name into 'Staatsbedrijf der Artillerie Inrichtingen'. The Hembrug location was just one of the plants of the company.
Source (in Dutch, unfortunately): http://www.grebbeberg.nl/uploads/dow...nindustrie.pdf
2301 Aviolanda
Aviolanda, though a great addition as a team, is rated at '5', which puts it on a par with Koolhoven and just a notch below Fokker. Aviolanda's production consisted of 41 licence-built Dornier Wal as well as eight Do 24K flying boats, and six Curtiss P-6E Hawk I. Their only actual fighter design in 1938 never went further than a 1:1 mock-up without an engine. In contrast Koolhoven produced several own designs (not all equally successful). The FK.58 fighter was actually ordered by both the French and the Dutch, and did indeed fly.
Source: http://www.alexdenouden.nl/artikelen/koolhoven06.htm
So I would suggest to downgrade the skill level of Aviolanda as a tech team.
2302 CWI
Would suggest renaming it into 'Mathematisch Centrum', as it was only renamed into CWI in 1983. Source (in Dutch): http://www.cwi.nl/nl/nieuws/2001/Nie...atisch-Centrum
Also listed on Wikipedia, but I though that the article from the CWI itself was the best proof.
As the focus of the Mathematisch Centrum is purely mathematics and computer science, I would like to see some arguments why they should deserve the 'chemistry' specialty.
2303 DAF
Seems to fit the bill, though I prefer the 'Van Doorne's Aanhangwagen Fabriek' as the name of the firm. This is the actual logo:
2304 FOM
Full name is 'Stichting Fundamenteel Onderzoek der Materie'. As a team it seems a better fit than Zernike, which it replaced as a tech team, I agree.
It does leave Holland without a Nuclear research tech team pre-1946 however (though I doubt they actually need it).
That gap might be replaced by the 'Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratorium' or TH Delft:
His (Wander Johannes de Haas - head of the Kamerlingh Onnes Lab) intuition was one of the triggers to advice the Dutch government to buy Uranium Oxide, which became available on the market, which was acted upon. During the war this stock could be successfully hidden in a Delft laboratory, and formed the basis for the Dutch-Norwegian cooperation on Nuclear Energy. For the 'Joint Establishment for Nuclear Energy Research' in Kjeller the Dutch supplied the Uranium, the Norwegians the Heavy Water.
Source: http://www.inghist.nl/Onderzoek/Proj...mata/bwn1/haas
Alternatively George Uhlenbeck might be a candidate pre-war, but he moved to the US in 1939, as he was Jewish. Together with Samuel Goudsmit (already in the US from 1927 onwards) he was involved in the Manhattan Project though. Hendrik Anthony Kramers, the third of the bunch, did stay in the Netherlands during the war, but was focused on Quantum Mechanics rather than Nuclear Physics.
2305 Fokker
Full name: Nederlandsche Vliegtuigfabriek Fokker. Fokker produced several good to very good designs, notably the G-1. The D-23 prototype was outright revolutionary for 1940 (http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/...5-1%20D23.html). Furthermore it has a firm history as a plane manufacturer, which was even world-class in the '20s. So I found a skill '6' to be somewhat on the low side. The more so as Germany's Arado has an '8' skill.
2306 HIH Siderius
Went bankrupt in 1934, with Wilton Feyenoord buying up much of the business. As such it was Wilton Feyenoord who benefited from the rearmament orders. HIH Siderius should be axed as a tech team...
Source (in Dutch, unfortunately): http://www.grebbeberg.nl/uploads/dow...nindustrie.pdf
Possible replacement tech team:
NV Nederlandse Springstoffen Fabrieken (Dutch Ordnance Factories)
Source: see above. As possible logos (the crown is from 1952 onwards, I presume, as it was renamed in Royal Dutch Ordnance Factories in 1952):
2307 Henri Winkelman
No comments.
2308 Hollandse Signaalapparaten
Only called Hollandse Signaalapparaten from 1946 onwards, when Philips took over the division. Prior to 1946 it was 'NV Hazemeijer's fabriek van Signaalapparaten', or 'Hazemeijer Signaalapparaten' for short.
Possible logos pre-war (the current one in is from 1922, a wee bit outdated):
As Hazemeijer Signaal was basically a way for Siemens & Halske to get around the Versailles treaty obligations. Thus the Board of Directors was completely German, and almost exclusively staffed with German employees. So it might not be the best fit as a tech team pre-war, though I don't mind to have them in. They did do work for the Dutch Navy, for one.
Perhaps they can be included as a lesser team, with Physisch Laboratorium TNO (Nederlandse Organisatie voor toegepast-natuurwetenschappelijk onderzoek) as an alternate. TNO was founded in 1932, and (amongst other things) did war research at the Waalsdorpervlakte.
Source (in Dutch, unfortunately): http://www.museumwaalsdorp.nl/index.html
The current CORE tech team image is this:
2309 Johannes Furstner
No comments.
2310 Koninklijke Maatschappij
Should be 'Koninklijke Maatschappij De Schelde'. This is the actual logo of the company, by the way:
2311 Koolhoven
No comments, apart from those made for Aviolanda.
2312 NSM Amsterdam
Formal name: Nederlandsche Scheepsbouw Maatschappij. The current tech team image looks a bit modern. Possible replacement:
2313 Petrus Best
No comments.
2314 Philips
No comments.
2315 Royal Netherland Army
Should be 'Royal Netherlands Army'. We tend to sheer away from these kinds of generic tech teams within CORE, but that's our design philosophy. We'd rather have individuals in than 'just the army branch'.
2316 Royal Netherlands Air Force
Same generic comment. Besides, the Royal Netherlands Air Force did not exist pre-war. It was called Luchtvaartafdeeling until 1939, when renamed Luchtvaartbrigade.
2317 Shell
No comments.
2318 Wilton-Fijenoord
Should get 'artillery', perhaps 'mechanics' as extra specialties (see 2306, HIH Siderius). The company logo was:
Further new team suggestions:
Koninklijke Hoogovens:
http://www.corusgroup.com/file_sourc...History_KH.pdf
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