It's a morale hit to the population. This is currently easiest to represent as a dissent hit. The reason changes, but the effect of lower overall efficiency would be similar.A morale his is a hit on morale not an increase in dissent.
It's a morale hit to the population. This is currently easiest to represent as a dissent hit. The reason changes, but the effect of lower overall efficiency would be similar.A morale his is a hit on morale not an increase in dissent.
Dissent represents the faith your general population have in the current rulers (or rather lack off faith since its best value is 0).
If you mange to lose the pride of the fleet, obviously the population will lose alot off faith in your military administration generally and your fleet & navy in particular.
Thus I think the dissent hit is warranted.
No it can also represents workers that don't have as much faith in their leadership anymore and thus won't do their uttermost to aid the nation, like sign up to volunteer to work 12hours a day instead of 10 for example.If I loose the pride of the fleet among others the IC is affected: That means what? Workers on strike? Workers that sleep on the factories?
Afterwards in order to bring dissent down I need to poor the country with consumer goods.
Have you some data on that? Is in your knowledge happened that the loss of the Bismarck/Hood had that effect in Germany/UK?No it can also represents workers that don't have as much faith in their leadership anymore and thus won't do their uttermost to aid the nation, like sign up to volunteer to work 12hours a day instead of 10 for example.
I thought that the discussion is/was on the consequences of losing a pride ship. Is my understanding correct?But now I think were abit to far off topic for a development diary about naval changes to be arguing dissent mechanics, don't you think?
Have you any data that it didn't?Have you some data on that? Is in your knowledge happened that the loss of the Bismarck/Hood had that effect in Germany/UK?
No to be exact we are now arguing about if we are arguing about dissent mechanics or about pride off the fleet mechanics.I thought that the discussion is/was on the consequences of losing a pride ship. Is my understanding correct?
No but from war production statistics I cannot see that. But maybe you can help.Have you any data that it didn't?
You were arguingNo to be exact we are now arguing about if we are arguing about dissent mechanics or about pride off the fleet mechanics.
Why would Pride of the Fleet be silly? Bismarck was the pride of the German fleet just like Yamato was the Japanese and the Hood the English one.
I'm just interested to understand how the loss of a ship can impact the production of the spitfires.
Well I hate to bust your bubble there skippy, But the US had TWO 1000 ship fleets in two actions in June of 44, D-Day and Saipan. And that does not account for the rest of the ships in the US Navy.
And before someone else makes a silly statement that supporting invasions is not naval combat I have three battles for you, Marianas Turkey Shoot, Iron Bottom Sound, and Suriago Strait.
All three took place due to their SUPPORTING invasions.
And finally, lets remember the famous saying one German officer purportedly said, in disbelief, "It's impossible... there can't be that many ships in the world."
Cheers, Thor
Question though - while there were 1000 ships - how many of those were actually the landing craft used by the marines hitting the shore, which are represented by transports, not actual combat vessels? How many actual combat vessels which would be represented by units in the game were there?
As already pointed out, DDs and SS are represented as flotilla in HoI, so you can cut that number by a factor of ~10. CVEs are really not well represented in HoI, my guess would be that they are "just" converted merchant ships for escort duty. That would be abstracted in HoI as well, as convoy escorts.110 CVE
349 DD (Not going to get into the DDEs)
203 SS
745 ships total that would have counters for HOI III (Principal Combat Vessels)
Religious Logic FTWHave you any data that it didn't?
Or how about any ship in general? If someone is foolish enough (or brave enough) to risk making a level I DD the pride of the fleet, let them. I would think that this would also make the programmer's job easier. I could be wrong.Pride of fleet:
-CV for sure
-Consider also letting the POF be a cruiser, or the newest capital ship of a nation.
Minors without BB/BC or naval air powers like JAP, US, UK would probably designate the POF differently.
Or how about any ship in general? If someone is foolish enough (or brave enough) to risk making a level I DD the pride of the fleet, let them. I would think that this would also make the programmer's job easier. I could be wrong.
Yea, if I am playing a minor then a DD might be my largest ship that is new. So why not?
Really? So if a pride unit is sunk the workers go on strike.
Obviuosly the hit should be on something else.