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    New Revolters for AoD

    New Revolters for AOD is part of my modern day extension. Download link is in my sig. Current list of countries officially accepted for the mod will be kept on this page.


    I'd like to start reconstructing the New Revolters part of my Cold War Extension for AOD. Your first question might be "Why is this necessary?" Well, here's the answer. As you may know, New Nations and New Revolters are two different mods for HOI2. They both attempt to use the U00-U69 space but for different purposes. New Nations' emphasis was on creating an alternate history fantasy world in 1936. My emphasis in New Revolters was on nations that might presumably be released in WW2, and actual Cold War independent countries. There was not enough room for both. Now with 60 new tags, I thought Daboo (New Nations creator) would be amenable to a merger offer. Well, here's the bombshell. He turned me down! Not only that, but he told me that he was "not authorizing the use of his material for the AOD platform". Whereas I'm EXTREMELY disappointed by that stand, we have to live with it. Therefore if we want anything similar to New Nations or New Revolters, we have to reconstruct it ourselves. New Nations has now been released for profit at the 'Mod for Enjoy' website. On the other hand, I am dedicated to keeping my material free. There are about 45 new countries in New Revolters. For some of them, I used SOME of his material, with permission, of course, on the HOI2 platform. But it is impossible for me to determine, for each and every file entry, which entry might have been from his mod, and which might have been from my own research. Therefore I am initially going to release this mod with ONLY countries that are NOT in New Nations, plus a few files with generic placeholder entries. I need the cooperation of you, the community, to make this mod successful.
    Here are the countries planned:
    U00 European Union
    U01 Free City of Danzig (historical)
    U02 Socialist Afghanistan
    U03 Mujahideen Afghanistan (later Taliban)
    U04 Zimbabwe
    U05 Antigua and Barbuda
    U06 St. Lucia
    U07 Grenada
    U08 Surinam
    U09 Vanuatu
    U10 Belize
    U11 Idel-Ural
    U12 The Seychelles
    U13 Empire of China
    U14 Bohemia-Moravia (SMEP compatibility WW2 era only)
    U15 Himalaya Federation (Tibet + Nepal + Bhutan WW2 era only)
    U16 Somaliland (the former British part)
    U17 UNITA
    U18 Vietnam NLF (aka 'Vietcong') releasable 1940-1980
    U19 Kosovo (releasable only after 1980)
    U20 Free State--moddable by user
    U21 Alaska
    U22 Greater New England (includes NJ, eastern NY and eastern PA)
    U23 Kampuchea (various Communist Cambodia regimes) releasable 1942-1985
    U24 Macedonia
    U25 West Papua
    U26 Papua-New Guinea
    U27 Newfoundland
    U28 Iberia
    U29 Fiji
    U30 Melanesia
    U31 Puerto Rico
    U32 Barbados
    U33 Micronesia
    U34 Hawaii
    U35 Turkestan
    U36 South Yemen
    U37 Solomon Islands
    U38 Cape Verde
    U39 Austria-Hungary
    U40 Caucasia
    U41 Kiribati
    U42 Western USA (intended as Japanese puppet in Post-Axis victory scenario)
    U43 Guinea-Bissau
    U44 Moldova
    U45 Djibouti
    U46 Botswana
    U47 São Tomé and Príncipe
    U48 East Timor
    U49 Bahamas
    U50 Mauritius
    U51 Zambia
    U52 Baltic Union
    U53 Malawi
    U54 Western Sahara
    U55 Free France
    U56 Bangladesh
    U57 Florida
    U58 New Afrika
    U59 Eritrea
    U60 Dietsland
    U61 Taiwan
    U62 Qatar
    U63 Dubai
    U64 Pacifica
    U65 East Turkestan
    U66 Great Plains Confederation
    U67 Chicago Free State
    U68 Deseret
    U69 Lao PDR (replaces Kingdom of Laos in 1975)
    UA0 Catalonia
    UA1 Chechnya
    UA2 KKE-ELAS (Communist Greece in 45-49 civil war)
    UA3 Pashtunistan (due to limitations of the current map will be considered AFG + West PAK)
    UA4 July 26th Movement
    UA5 Equatorial Guinea
    UA6 Lesotho
    UA7 Marshall Islands
    UA8 Nauru
    UA9 Northern Marianas
    UB0 Palau
    UB1 Swaziland
    UB2 Biafra (changed tag)
    UB3 Abkhazia (modern day only)
    UB4 Polynesia
    UB5 New Caledonia
    UB6 Réunion
    UB7 Guadeloupe
    UB8 Martinique
    UB9 Greenland (intended primarily for hands-off testing, not as viable nation)
    UC0 Guiana Region
    UC1 Philippine NPA (intended 1969 + only)
    UC2 Fengtian Clique (1914-59)
    UC3 Anfu Clique (1914-35)
    UC4 Guominjun (1920-48)
    UC5 Soviet Far East Republic (Russian Civil War)
    UC6 Communist Ukraine (Russian Civil War)
    UC7 Sequoyah (CSA 'Southern Road to War' mod compatibility 1936-64)
    UC8 Galicia (alternate history Germany wins WW1-Austro-Hungarian Empire possible breakup state in southern Poland)
    UC9 free
    UD0-UD9 free
    UE0-UE9 free
    UF0-UF9 free

    UPR German Confederation
    UPS Communist Japan
    UTC Kuban Cossacks, etc
    UER Russian Empire (alternate history)

    EDIT:I was initially against the idea of European Union being U00 but have changed my mind. Here are the reasons:
    1) I found out that many model files were created by the AOD team.
    2) It is not that difficult to modify a mod by doing tag replacement
    Notepad--edit--replace all, changing U00 to UA0.
    3) I'm seriously considering CREATING European Union around 2000. Since France is hurt technologically by the AOD 10 tech-teams scheme, a union involving France, Belgium and other countries (probably all that signed the currency agreement) would be logical, and no longer allied with the USA (maybe allied with Russia???).

    Edit2:Will bring back USA break-up revolters but it will be a different scheme from either New Nations or my own New Revolters for DDA.
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    There is no A00 tag in AOD.

    UA0-UA9
    UB0-UB9
    UC0-UC9
    UD0-UD9
    UE0-UE9
    UF0-UF9

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    ADukes,
    You are right again. Would you like to help the project out?
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    Looking forward to this! Always loved ModNN, except for the fantasy countries. Damn shame they won't let you use any of their work.
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    Good luck. I have no idea why Daboo is against it.
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    He is Central Planning.
    What?
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    I will ask that "Daboo-bashing" stop. A continuation would be a violation of Paradox rules. He/she claims copyright and a long-standing tradition is that we cannot use someone else's material without his/her permission. The only fantasy countries I would have had any interest in would have been the American revolters, because if the axis were successful this might happen. danielshannon also used the mod in his Great Crusade scenario. So I will have some additional American revolters but they should be different from his. So no "Mid-Atlantic Republic", "Great Lakes Republic", "Intermountain Republic", "Oceti Sakowin", "Cascadia" or "Springfield". I do plan on "Pacifica", a combination of the US Pacific Northwest and Western Canada that is not in his mod, and probably an expanded New England. New England could have optional cores on New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland and Delaware. you could have the "General Government" cover the Ohio Valley plus Minnesota and "Great Plains Confederation" cover the rest.

    Edit:Just found this wiki. Someone else came up with "Great Lakes Confederation" (not "Great Lakes Republic") before New Nations mod:
    http://althistory.wikia.com/index.ph...action=history
    but I'll probably stick with "General Government of America".

    We can use New Nations Mod as a starting point for research, but must find and verify the people, including the military leaders, and create our own pictures. The credits will say "New Nations Mod was used for research purposes". Daboo DID grant me permission for two things, and I explicitly told him I wanted "redistribution rights", and was not seeking monetary gain. This way he cannot withdraw permission later, as long as he is credited, and the credits will say that these items were used from the mod. They are 1) the expanded list of Communist Chinese military leaders (200+) and 2) the Puerto Rico state that I helped him create. Anything else has to be rebuilt.

    Actually about half of my New Revolters covered countries Daboo did not use in New Nations, so these will be brought online ASAP.
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    Have been mostly busy with the tech tree project though I have done some work with this also. Updated "wish list" of countries in my first post.
    Have completed ministers and teams for "Great Plains Confederation" which fills part of the void created by the fact that the USA is not releasable after CSA is created.
    Suggestions for additional countries?
    Any interest in definition of the Orwell 1984 countries? (Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomonhan View Post
    Edit:Just found this wiki. Someone else came up with "Great Lakes Confederation" (not "Great Lakes Republic") before New Nations mod:
    http://althistory.wikia.com/index.ph...action=history
    but I'll probably stick with "General Government of America".
    As long as you aren't copy-pasting the actual work without permission I don't see a problem with re-using names.

    I would make the US puppets like this:
    California Republic
    Columbia/Pacifica (Includes British Columbia and possibly Alaska)
    Republic of Texas
    Republic of the Midwest/Great Plains Confederation
    CSA
    New Afrika (Optional)
    Mid-Atlantic Republic/General Government of America
    Greater New England



    There are no "realistic" options for US revolter nations in this time period (other than possibly New Afrika), but I think this represents a good way to break the US into puppet blocks. Creating each individual state/territory would be cool. I'm sure you can find better uses for all those tags though.

    Quote Originally Posted by nomonhan View Post
    EDIT:I was initially against the idea of European Union being U00 but have changed my mind. Here are the reasons:
    1) I found out that many model files were created by the AOD team.
    2) It is not that difficult to modify a mod by doing tag replacement
    Notepad--edit--replace all, changing U00 to UA0.
    3) I'm seriously considering CREATING European Union around 2000. Since France is hurt technologically by the AOD 10 tech-teams scheme, a union involving France, Belgium and other countries (probably all that signed the currency agreement) would be logical
    Sounds good to me. There could be a whole series of events representing the development of the EU and leading to unification.

    and no longer allied with the USA (maybe allied with Russia???).
    Why? Isn't there a lot of contention between eastern Europe and Russia over fuel?

    I suppose they could be more neutral though.
    Last edited by DeathFromBelow; 17-04-2010 at 08:22.

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    Thanks for the comments.
    I have a slightly different plan which is based largely on breaking up the IC appropriately. Therefore the Confederacy gets as much as possible. I've already done a good part of the work, so it's a bit too late to change.

    The idea of breaking up the USA is mainly to support alternate history in which the USA is conquered in WW2, especially if divided between Japan and Germany. In the Post-Axis War mod, these extra nations turned out to be really necessary. I'd be open to suggestions on an expiration date for these states. 1960? 1990?

    The biggest reason for suggesting a Russia-EU alliance is the space race. The EU is known to be cooperating with the Russians in space exploration. You can also consider the responses of France and Russia to a series of diplomatic moves by the USA and Britain in the UN.
    Oddly enough I see some of the countries of Eastern Europe, especially Poland and the Czech Republic, as being closer to the USA than to the EU and Russia. Consider who sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, and you see that it is the USA, UK, Poland, South Korea, etc. There are no French troops there though I believe there are some Germans. Anyway it's a complex subject, and another option short of full alliance is a tech-sharing agreement, or an agreement to share the cost of maintaining the space station.
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    Galicia should be added. It was in the original ModNN, and did have a history of separatism, and during the Second Spanish Republic it was an autonomous region similar to Catalonia and Euskadi.
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    What can make the AI revolters as puppet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomonhan View Post
    The biggest reason for suggesting a Russia-EU alliance is the space race. The EU is known to be cooperating with the Russians in space exploration.
    Sure, but they get a lot of support from NASA too. The tech sharing idea makes sense. It could apply to the US, China, and India as well as Russia. It might be best represented by a chain of events that allow nations to contribute money to the ISS program. They would pay some huge amount of money and get blueprints to space techs in return. The more contributed the more blueprints everyone gets.

    You can also consider the responses of France and Russia to a series of diplomatic moves by the USA and Britain in the UN.
    Would it be difficult to tie Europe's relationship to the US/Russia based on how hawkish & interventionist the US/Russia are?

    Oddly enough I see some of the countries of Eastern Europe, especially Poland and the Czech Republic, as being closer to the USA than to the EU and Russia. Consider who sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, and you see that it is the USA, UK, Poland, South Korea, etc.

    There are no French troops there though I believe there are some Germans. Anyway it's a complex subject, and another option short of full alliance is a tech-sharing agreement, or an agreement to share the cost of maintaining the space station.
    I thought Afghanistan was still a full NATO operation with troops from the UK/France/Italy/Germany/Canada/etc?

    Iraq was obviously a much more one sided affair... but I don't really know how much of an impact it's had on US-Europe relations. I can't see Putin receiving a nobel peace prize or giving a European speaking tour like Obama did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathFromBelow View Post
    I thought Afghanistan was still a full NATO operation with troops from the UK/France/Italy/Germany/Canada/etc?
    There's a NATO mission and an UN mission. Some countries are there as NATO members, some for UN, some as both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrdie View Post
    Galicia should be added. It was in the original ModNN, and did have a history of separatism, and during the Second Spanish Republic it was an autonomous region similar to Catalonia and Euskadi.
    I'll add it if you're willing to do the work of working up a decent ministers file without using New Nations material. You can use tag UA1, and I can always change that later. To me it has little value but might be relevant in a 1933, 34, or Spanish mod.

    BTW I DO want to add Kosovo but am only interested in it from a modern day standpoint (after 1980).
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    United provinces of central america, Gran Columbia should also added too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire Builders View Post
    United provinces of central america, Gran Columbia should also added too.
    Already in since HoI2DDArma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonaru View Post
    Already in since HoI2DDArma.
    Can it play in original 1936-1944?
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