Cold War Extension for AoD

nomonhan said:

Death From Below
You have an excellent idea. However, I don't think all should be cloned. For example Silent Workhorse is definitely a HOG not HOS personality. Maybe just Smiling Oilman and Ambitious Union Boss.

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Yeah, I went ahead and copied them all since it just involved moving some text. A few of them might come in handy as starting points for other new personality ideas. It seems to me that Silent Workhorse and Political Protege are really the only ones that don't make sense as HoS personalities.

And we should also consider whether any HOS personalities should be made available for HOG due to the Prime Ministerial system that is in effect for many countries. I'm especially thinking of Israel, in which just about all the Prime Ministers of the last 40 years are retired generals, and Old General doesn't have the punch that "Resigned Generalissimo" has.

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Done. See attached for the updated files.

It works the same way as before, add a 1 to the end of HoS personalities and they'll work for HoG's. If you want to give Rudolf Heß the "Resigned Generalissimo HoS personality you would open ministers_ger.csv and change his personality to "resigned generalissimo1."

I'd make Palin a Stern Imperialist, Naive Optimist, or mix of the Laissez-Faire Capitalist and Man of the People.

Also I would argue that Jan Brewer should be a Pig Headed Isolationist, or a Flamboyant Tough Guy...although on retrospection Stern Imperialist does fit.

Hey back on the politics topic i got some ideas for the names.

Also how do you edit them i want to creat a strong left and Full democratic one and i thing you should add that one too if you like but the ones i came up with to rename are

Social Conservative---->As just conservative or Conservative Republic (Social makes it sound like it's conservative on Social matters only not economics)
Market liberal------->just liberal or better yet liberal democracy
Social Liberal--------->should be Progessive or Wealth Fair State

I added the second ones of those because these are lables of Countries not the parties or the parties of the presidents who run the country. So it depends how you want it to resemble. I like the 2 chocies of the first two but Progessives sounds cooler...

O maybe a Progessive Democracy---->

On Social Democratic and Left Wing Radical------ these are the ones i think should change.Or the ones i want to mod.

A.) Social Democratic - Why is because Social Democratics really have merge more into the proggesives and the democratics of todays would The real group that fits this name is Democratic socialist because they are more Far left and strong democracy. But in the discribution it says they are isolationist while true at certin points they are more intervertialist with other supporters..also they are very close to be fully open society but mayb not all the way.

B.) Left Wing Radical----I think should be Far left and Democracy and be change into anarcho-socialism or anarcho-Communism as Communism is already use for others i say Anarcho-socialism..

But if you change the (A) to Democratic Socialist you shouldn't have two the same you could keep (A) the same or change it. but make it be simi left and full democracy or almost full democracy and let it be alittle isolationist and some what open. as (B) whould be Full Democracy and Full left and Full open and mostly interventerialism to to helping there friends other socialist.....


So can yall help me on how to edit this stuff and tell me what you think are any or all of my ideas.

Nomonhan: Thanks for the fix. The rest of the tree looks fine from the US's research perspective. I kept trying to figure out where they should go in the land doctrine line, but ended up with Air-Land Doctrine path, though that focuses on special forces more. I thought they should included C3I, but maybe I went a different path than would be considered historical.

Is it possible to have a mach 3 bomber force get intercepted? The strategic bombing value is so high that 8 squadrons are wreaking havoc on enemy industry, and they have been barely scratched after more than a month of operation. Maybe the AI just doesn't have the fighters it needs.

I like these and think they'll make a nice addition for all times, except for the Inside Investor of course.

nomonhan said:

Thank you for the report. Maybe the USA was wrong to cancel the program. Theoretically they are intercept-able, but the main weakness is against SAM missiles. I will likely try to force the AI to build anti-air and radar. I need to cut down on the unit spam somewhat anyway and that seems like the way to do that.

Here's what I think for new personalities
Head of State
Inside Investor (new) combine some Smiling Oilman and Corporate Suit Effects. "He became rich by playing the stock market, or might be a retired CEO. He sees his own fortune and that of the nation as tied to the success of multinational corporations."
Populist Reformer (new) similar to Ambitious Union Boss "He has based his entire political life championing the cause of the poor and downtrodden. Unfortunately, he now must confront the realities of running a government, and finds out that his ideas do not always work."
Head of government
Old General (already tweaked) to add in some Resigned Generalissimo and Diehard Reformer effect. Was originally going to add something new like 'Old Warrior' but realized I'd have to give that trait to Hitler and Stalin.

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i actually think that stalin was very careful, so "quick to seek military solutions" would not match, IMO. he only attacked finland after he had the agreement with Hitler.

maybe a separate thread for ministers traits, suggestions and discussion is needed to get more feedback? if this is discussed "only" here, people who are not keen on longer games wont notice.

Why would a populist reformer help alliance chances? and wouldn't it reduce the dissent rate?
I'd say that it would be more like:

Upgrade costs +10%
Ifra construction modifier -10% (that makes it faster right?)
IC Construction modifier -10%
Dissent growth -10%
consumer goods +10%

nomonhan said:

I'm likely to implement plan 1 if there is low feedback. I'll take your comment as a vote AGAINST #2. #1 and #3 would preserve a difference between many different people, and not affect WW2 much, or lead to a debate about what traits ministers should have, which are pluses IMO. Stalin was a more careful planner than Hitler but was a veteran of the Soviet Polish War. He was quite quick to seek a military solution back then and was only tempered by failure. He was still quite quick to seek a military solution in a 1929 war with China, brought on by intemperate comments of some Chinese demagogues who talked about making the Lake Baikal area part of China. He actually planned rearmament better than Hitler, and it was only the incompetence of his generals, the poor quality of Soviet industry, and the element of surprise on the German side that stopped Stalin from rolling all over Europe. Yes Stalin wanted an agreement with Hitler before acting. You can also say the same thing about Hitler.

NOTE: AOD already beefed up Backroom Backstabber and Flamboyant Tough Guy. Backroom Backstabber gives a 20% reduction in retooling time, and Flamboyant Tough Guy no longer nixes your leaders. So I'll leave that one as is and choose plan #1 unless a lot of people write comments requesting otherwise.

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the incompetence of his generals...
He killed all the competent generals

bestmajor said:

i actually think that stalin was very careful, so "quick to seek military solutions" would not match, IMO. he only attacked finland after he had the agreement with Hitler.

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Uh, what? In 1939-40 alone he invaded Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania (Bessarabia & Northern Bukovina - taking the latter territory btw violated the M-R Pact).

Valistaja said:

Uh, what? In 1939-40 alone he invaded Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania (Bessarabia & Northern Bukovina - taking the latter territory btw violated the M-R Pact).

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yes but he made sure that hitler agreed, Japan and germany + the allies were busy. i did not say he was a nice guy, though. just carefully aggressive, if you want (means not so much a gambler like AH).

nomonhan said:

Selvin_Kelbra
I floated the idea of ideology name changes and discovered that the only real consensus was for changing the displayed names of the most extreme right philosophy (NS) and the two farthest left communist philosophies (ST, LE). For the others, there was substantial sentiment for keeping as is. Social Democrat and Democratic Socialist are about the same. A Social Conservative usually likes to take away some of your personal freedom for religious reasons but leave your economic freedom alone. Market Liberals don't like to take any freedoms from you and if coupled with high isolationism would be considered Libertarian. Om some countries they are called conservatives and in some countries they are called liberals. A Social Democrat usually likes to leave personal freedom alone but significantly control economic freedom while a social liberal is a milder form of this. Left Wing Radical is a catch all term used to describe anything from Josip Broz Tito to Juan Peron to Nasser to Saddan Hussein to Trotskyists to Anarcho-syndicalists to radical trade-unionists to the present day Chinese regime. It's formally a dictatorship but less repressive then Leninist aka Communist.

On second thought would not like to add too many minister traits. If we clone all of them, the next thing you know is that we'll have a debate about whether Hitler should be a Power Hungry Demagogue as Head of Government or a Flamboyant Tough Guy as Head of State. So I'll just add a couple that are similar to take care of certain issues, and tweak a few others.

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Got it ok well i just thought to state my opioion and i was woundering on how do you modifiy the these governments or ideologies?

I just thought that mine fit more with the modern times as what you where looking for as we use conservatives Liberal and Proggesives to discribe those type more.

The other two where the ones i wanted to modify not for you to because i understand that you finished you decision but i wanted to know how to mod them on my own.

the negatives for the Inside Investor FAR outweigh the benefits. I like the changes and would vote for 3...but you're right Backroom Backstabber is godly with it's retooling reduction.

yea i saw that many didn't vote well maybe when you finish a full version you could try again latter to see what people like......Thanks for the help.....

Is there away to change how it sets the sliders in the game or is that hard coded.