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Slevin_Kelbra said:
Cool list of leaders but you need a socialist US not Communist/Leninist or Maoist no why unless they where conquer by SU or PRC(Soviet Union or People's Republic of China).

There needs to mayby a senerio like a Revoltuion in US with a socialist part and US maybe another part if you want

But there must be a Socialist USA Which should be different then a Soviet Union/Communist China supporters I wanted a game where the cold war is different where it was bettween communist dicatiorship vs Socialist democracy..wired i know...I am have been coming up with a story behind it it basicly happens before WW2 but this mod can help me experiment with the idea...There was some leaders i read about they may help you.
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We have LWR and SD governments too.

bestmajor said:
sth technically, maybe: it will be easier for you if you add the country TAG to the pic title, like Shannon_Daniel_usa. then you can sort them out by country later if you need to separate them.

this system was used in HoI1 and i found it superior to the HoI2/AoD/HoI3 naming system (at least if you mod)
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That may be a better way of doing it.
 
nomonhan said:
Re: US government, VP etc.
The problem here is that you have two styles of HOS/HOG
You have the British/parliament style (used by many) where the #1 is ceremonial and #2 holds real power, and then you have the USA/presidential style (also used by Germany) in which #1 is the real boss, and #2 is the assistant. Often a HOG personality is more suitable for the HOS and vice-versa. I don't quite see Al Gore as Diehard Reformer though. In HOI2, that's more for warmongers, not social reformers. Take your pick of Weary Stiffneck, Benevolent Gentleman, or Barking Buffoon. For Barack Obama I'd say Popular Figurehead is a better fit. Ambitious Union Boss would be ideal for him except that it is a HOG personality.

Pig headed Isolationist is actually a very strong personality. You can't start wars easily as a democracy but it better prepares you for wars started by others.
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Okay dokey
 
Barack is now a popular figurehead
Gore is now a weary stiffneck

Palin Administration
6409;Head of State;Sarah Palin;99;SC;Barking Buffoon;High;sarah_palin;x
6410;Head of Government;Mitch Daniels;99;ML;Silent Workhorse;High;mitch_daniels;x
6411;Foreign Minister;Haley Barbour;94;SC;The Cloak N Dagger Schemer;High;haley_barbour;x
6412;Minister of Armament;Stanley McChrystal;99;ML;Infantry Proponent;Very High;stanley_mcchrystal;x

Hillary Clinton
6413;Head of State;Hillary Clinton;99;SL;Powerhungry Demagogue;High;hillary_clinton;x
6414;Head of Government;Evan Bayh;99;SL;Political Protege;High;evan_bayh;x
6415;Minister of Armament;Wesley Clarke;99;SL;Military Entrepreneur;High;wesley_clarke;x

Various other potential presidents...
Republicans
6416;Head of State;Mitt Romney;99;ML;Benevolent Gentleman;High;mitt_romney;x
6417;Head of State;Haley Barbour;99;SC;Autocratic Charmer;High;haley_barbour;x
6418;Head of State;Ron Paul;88;ML;Pig-headed Isolationist;High;ron_paul;x
6419;Head of State;Jan Brewer;99;SC;Stern Imperialist;High;jan_brewer;x

Democrats
6420;Head of State;Patrick Murphy;99;SL;Pig-headed Isolationist;High;patrick_murphy;x
 
wait if obama is elected in 2006, then why wouldn't he run for reelection, and if you change the time of elections in US, then would you change the 9/11 attacks timing ? also do you want me to do more research about, and can you reduce the amount of troops in the next version, my AOD goes 1 second an hour in the game on exteremly fast, so i'd have to play forever to get to the 2000's and that stuff
 
Ali_1882 said:
wait if obama is elected in 2006, then why wouldn't he run for reelection, and if you change the time of elections in US, then would you change the 9/11 attacks timing ? also do you want me to do more research about, and can you reduce the amount of troops in the next version, my AOD goes 1 second an hour in the game on exteremly fast, so i'd have to play forever to get to the 2000's and that stuff
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Um Obama's only available in 2008 and on election events.
 
but wouldn't you to create alternative election timing if clinton is indeed impeached by the player or AI in the sex scandal
 
wait does vice president finish the president's term or start a new one?
 
Slevin_Kelbra said:
Finish but i think it counts as running a full term not sure but i am sure that he only finishes the term started.
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From the 22nd Amendment:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
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DeathFromBelow said:
From the 22nd Amendment:
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Those rules make no sense. People should be able to elect whomever they want for as long as they want without senseless laws restricting democracy. If it weren't for those laws, Bush would be the US president for several decades.
 
Love the election events so far - Palin is a Barking Buffoon! :D

Only hand up is re Mitt Romney - he doesnt really seem to fit the benevolent gentleman type. From what I gather his campaign was very pro-corporate. Id recommend Corporate Suit or something similar for him. Otherwise - super impressive! ;)
 
iceHawk said:
Love the election events so far - Palin is a Barking Buffoon! :D

Only hand up is re Mitt Romney - he doesnt really seem to fit the benevolent gentleman type. From what I gather his campaign was very pro-corporate. Id recommend Corporate Suit or something similar for him. Otherwise - super impressive! ;)
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Corporate Suit is a Head of Government trait and not a Head of State trait, unfortunately.

Maybe Autocratic Charmer would work better for Romney?

Here is a good list of all the minister traits, btw:
http://www.paradoxian.org/hoi2wiki/index.php/Minister_Traits
 
DeathFromBelow said:
In the wiki it says "All minister traits can be used in any minister types, but sometimes it may not be a good idea."

Have you tried using a HoG trait on a HoS to see what happens?
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No I haven't. I have an idea for an experiment to see if that works.

Start a 1936 Germany game. Run it for a few days and write down Germany's effective IC. Next, edit the minister file to give Hitler the silent workhorse trait that Hess does. Start a new 1936 game, run it for a few days, and see if the effective ic value is higher than with the vanilla version.

Would someone be willing to check that out?
 
in AoD, you can create new minister traits and modify the effects of the old ones (db/ministers/ministers modifiers.txt, same values are used for new national ideas afaik)
 
danielshannon said:
Start a 1936 Germany game. Run it for a few days and write down Germany's effective IC. Next, edit the minister file to give Hitler the silent workhorse trait that Hess does. Start a new 1936 game, run it for a few days, and see if the effective ic value is higher than with the vanilla version.

Would someone be willing to check that out?
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Just tried it, didn't work. I let both games run to Feb 1. Base IC was 153 and effective was 159 both times. I guess we'll have to try modding new options in if we want more HoS traits.

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Modding in new traits works. As a test I created a new "Silent Workhorse1" personality with minister_position = HeadOfState and set Hitler to that. Germany's effective IC jumped to 166.
 
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DeathFromBelow said:
Just tried it, didn't work. I let both games run to Feb 1. Base IC was 153 and effective was 159 both times. I guess we'll have to try modding new options in if we want more HoS traits.

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Modding in new traits works. As a test I created a new "Silent Workhorse1" personality with minister_position = HeadOfState and set Hitler to that. Germany's effective IC jumped to 166.
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Good to know. Maybe we could brainstorm some new traits. I'm just going to use the default for now.
 
danielshannon said:
Good to know. Maybe we could brainstorm some new traits. I'm just going to use the default for now.
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I made HoS versions of all the HoG personalities. minister_modifiers.txt goes in the Arsenal of Democracy/db/ministers folder. Text.csv goes in Arsenal of Democracy/config folder. I was working with the files from the current (0.15) version of the mod, so it shouldn't break anything.

The new personalities are named the same as the HoG ones with a 1 on the end. If you wanted to make Hitler a silent workhorse you would open ministers_ger.csv and change his personality to "silent workhorse1". For naive optimist it's naive optimist1, etc.
 
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Death From Below
You have an excellent idea. However, I don't think all should be cloned. For example Silent Workhorse is definitely a HOG not HOS personality. In many other cases there is a similar personality. Maybe just Smiling Oilman, Corporate Suit, and Ambitious Union Boss. And we should also consider whether any HOS personalities should be made available for HOG due to the Prime Ministerial system that is in effect for many countries. I'm especially thinking of Israel, in which just about all the Prime Ministers of the last 40 years are retired generals, and Old General doesn't have the punch that "Resigned Generalissimo" has.
 
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