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    Awesome job as usual Nomonhan. Looking forward to playing around with some of these nations

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    Great to hear as well! Ill get on it asap as ill have some time next few weeks & come up with a naval/air list relatively soon!

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    I really like the AI Event. Are you going to have the research bonus disappear when the Country hits a certain number of tech slots? Personally, I'd leave it because I think it'll take quite awhile even with all 10 tech teams to catch up and the situations where that would happen for one of the countries receiving the Event aren't very common.

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    I don't know any way to make the bonus disappear for the following reason:
    Tech slots are based on BASE IC. Unfortunately the IC= trigger is based upon MODDED IC. (after considering minister and research effects)

    My suggestions (tell me what you like best)
    1) Rely on the integrity of the user to take a -15% hit on research mod value if he/she gets 9 slots.
    2) Have specific events authorizing a 15% research mod bonus for the following countries that are specifically excluded in the following cases:
    A) England if the British Isles fall.
    B) Germany if it has 30% lost_national
    C) USSR if GPW fires (but they lose it once Germany is defeated)
    D) USA if the homeland is successfully invaded (maybe 20% lost_national)
    E) Russia if it does not have any of the former Soviet Republics other than the Russian one.
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    hi i have installed 0.13 but an error appears that one of the gfx files is corrupt i have tried several times but to no avail also when i strart the game it still shows 0.12 has anybody have the same problem
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    ps was looking through the graphics files & it looks as you have most of the naval/air tech images up!

    As for icon graphics, both the SKIF and MDS styles are good. I didn't have the time to create 100 new icons SKIF-style so I just used vanilla's. SKIF icons could be brought over from CWTTE for Armageddon, but some models are changed so copy-paste wouldn't work for all models. I'm partial to extended SKIF. It would not be necessary to do anything except (IMO)
    USA, USSR, Russia (copies of SOV), Germany (nazi, not DFR), Communist China, France, UK, generic. For infantry post 1970 a single generic model is suitable. Would you care to volunteer? I included a SKIF icon maker template in the models folder. It's part of the download.
    I was also working through the modern SKIF_icon_maker & it has most of the necessary skin layers to fatten out the skif tree! havent done these before but it looks quite easy Any pointers on adding unit layers into the tree for modding?


    Pss: Also working on a list of notable natural gas/oil and mineral field discoveries since 1936. Going to create a resource discovery chain to fill out the notable discoveries in the 20th century
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    I like option number 2 the best personally as it seems to fit in the most with what did actually happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOSMAN View Post
    hi i have installed 0.13 but an error appears that one of the gfx files is corrupt i have tried several times but to no avail also when i strart the game it still shows 0.12 has anybody have the same problem
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    nope, works fine... try reinstalling. Im having problems with the recent color national ideas gfx mod - they come out all skewed for some reason...

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    I had the same GFX error however, I have .13 working fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOSMAN View Post
    hi i have installed 0.13 but an error appears that one of the gfx files is corrupt i have tried several times but to no avail also when i strart the game it still shows 0.12 has anybody have the same problem
    Love your mode congrats and thanks

  10. #350
    I cant play 1999 scenerio and 1944&1945 scenerios up to 2000's I think its about the time limit problem..

    Does anyone has notime limit pacth for AOD case hoi2 patches not works = S

    Also please make late game scenrios like 2000 or 1990 that will be fun...
    Last edited by fizy45; 09-05-2010 at 17:35.

  11. #351
    What happens when you played up to 2000? In my test run of 1999 everything went OK.
    There is no "no-time limit" patch for AoD, because none is needed.

    PLEASE!! DO NOT use HOI2 patches for AOD. They won't work, and may pose a danger to your computer!!

    EDIT: The problem is in the scenario files. End date is now set by the scenario. You have to look for the entry 'enddate = " and set it to the proper date. In the next version, I will patch ALL GC scenarios to end Dec. 30, 2024.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomonhan View Post
    What happens when you played up to 2000? In my test run of 1999 everything went OK.
    There is no "no-time limit" patch for AoD, because none is needed.

    PLEASE!! DO NOT use HOI2 patches for AOD. They won't work, and may pose a danger to your computer!!

    EDIT: The problem is in the scenario files. End date is now set by the scenario. You have to look for the entry 'enddate = " and set it to the proper date. In the next version, I will patch ALL GC scenarios to end Dec. 30, 2024.
    Yes I fixed that problem and trying to reach 2000's with normal play...

    I started to play with Usa and when I reach 1957 I looked USSR and other countries there are some major problems for them.(without speed up event)

    *They create too many divisions so their supply cost is very high whole USSR is not capable of making 2 new tank divisions.

    *Because of Ic problems it needs 2590 uprage points(this one is same for most countries) Ussr stil has level 2 planes.

    *Ussr has a huge oil problem and when it moves its armies situation gets worse.

    So I think its best for you to make scenerios of diffrent time lines 1945-1955-1965 etc and one last campaing at 1989 cause Ai seems to cant handle itself it produces too many units and I saw Usa puts tank divisions on pasific islands.

    If you want I can share my savegame and you can see it yourself.

    I can help you about this project(late tech teams ministers about Turkey) especially about scenerios all I need is correct country setups with no units on it(1945-1989 borders without units) I can create some of the scenerios for you if you want.

    If you have late game savegames please share with me(with resarches made of course)

    ALSO I WORKED ON SOME MODS FOR A DESINGNER I CAN MAKE IN GAME PICTURES AND INTRO MOVIE FOR YOU (main menu,logo propaganda techteams and techs)

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    OK then what are your recommendations? First of all what is your "speed up event"? As for the USSR they probably need either 1) a new AI changing their mix of units or 2) more oil in their provinces. In reality the USSR not only supplied itself with oil but also most of its satellites for most of the Cold War. For one thing they stole a lot of technologies from the Germans in 1945, which should be modeled into the Germany surrenders event. Also do you have a "Turkey improvement" package to submit (ministers, modern day leaders, etc.)?
    I recently worked out an update for East Turkestan (tag U65) which I believe should continue to exist as a theoretical nation. I understand that one of their leaders, Isa Yusuf Alptekin, took up residence in Turkey after the Communist Chinese came to power, and lived there until 1995. Did he create any kind of a government in exile? I also understand his son is associated with the World Uighur Congress.

    Here's my ministers file for East Turkestan
    Code:
    U65;Ruling Cabinet - Start;Name;Pool;Ideology;Personality;Loyalty;Picturename;x
    ;Replacements;;;;;;;x
    865046;Head of State;Rebiya Kadeer;2006;ML;Pig-headed Isolationist;High;U65_Rebiya Kadeer;x
    865047;Head of Government;Dolkun Isa;2004;ML;Silent Workhorse;High;U65_Dolkun Isa;x
    865048;Foreign Minister;Alim Seytoff;2004;ML;Ideological Crusader;High;U65_Alim Seytoff;x
    865054;Minister of Armament;Seyit Tumturk;2004;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_Seyit Tumturk;x
    865055;Minister of Security;Asgar Can;2004;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_Asgar Can;x
    865056;Head of Military Intelligence;Mehmet Tohti;2004;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_Mehmet Tohti;x
    865052;Chief of Staff;ETR Military;1965;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_ETRStaff;x
    865053;Chief of Army;ETR Army;1965;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_ETRArmy;x
    865009;Chief of Navy;ETR Navy;1930;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_ETRNavy;x
    865010;Chief of Air Force;ETR Air Force;1930;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;U65_ETRAF;x
    865043;Head of State;Erkin Alptekin;1995;ML;Weary Stiffneck;High;U65_Erkin Alptekin;x
    865044;Head of Government;Anwar Yusuf Turani;1995;ML;Silent Workhorse;High;U65_Anwar Yusuf Turani;x
    865045;Foreign Minister;Anwar Yusuf Turani;1995;ML;Ideological Crusader;High;U65_Anwar Yusuf Turani;x
    865049;Minister of Armament;Erkin Alptekin;1995;ML;Military Entrepreneur;High;U65_Erkin Alptekin;x
    865050;Minister of Security;Erkin Alptekin;1995;ML;Man of the People;High;U65_Erkin Alptekin;x
    865051;Head of Military Intelligence;Erkin Alptekin;1995;ML;Political Specialist;High;U65_Erkin Alptekin;x
    865037;Head of State;Isa Yusuf Alptekin;1965;SC;Benevolent Gentleman;High;U65_Isa_Yusuf_Alptekin;x
    865040;Minister of Armament;Mohammad Qurban;1965;ML;Undistinguished Suit;Medium;U65_Mohammad_Qurban;x
    865042;Head of Military Intelligence;Mohammad Qurban;1965;ML;Undistinguished Suit;Medium;U65_Mohammad_Qurban;x
    865031;Head of State;Saifuddin Azizov;1946;ST;Die-hard Reformer;High;U65_Saifuddin_Azizov;x
    865015;Head of Government;Osman Batur;1943;SL;Old General;High;U65_Osman_Batur;x
    865029;Minister of Armament;Ali Beg;1943;SL;Military Entrepreneur;High;U65_Ali_Beg;x
    865030;Head of Military Intelligence;Hamza;1943;SL;Political Specialist;Medium;U65_Hamza;x
    865024;Chief of Staff;Osman Batur;1943;SL;School of Mass Combat;High;U65_Osman_Batur;x
    865025;Chief of Army;Osman Batur;1943;SL;Decisive Battle Doctrine;High;U65_Osman_Batur;x
    865011;Head of State;Muhammad Amin Bughra;1930;SC;Benevolent Gentleman;High;U65_M_A_Bughra;x
    865021;Head of State;Makhmudsabri;1930;SL;Insignificant Layman;High;M72011;x
    865001;Head of State;Alihan Tore;1930;SD;Popular Figurehead;High;U65_Alihan_Tore;x
    865012;Head of Government;Khoja Neyaze;1930;PA;Naive Optimist;High;M72002;x
    865022;Head of Government;Isa Yusuf Alptekin;1930;SC;Corporate Suit;High;U65_Isa_Yusuf_Alptekin;x
    865002;Head of Government;Exmetjan Qasimi;1930;LE;Political Protege;High;U65_Exmetjan_Qasimi;x
    865013;Foreign Minister;Isa Yusuf Alptekin;1930;SC;Apologetic Clerk;High;U65_Isa_Yusuf_Alptekin;x
    865003;Foreign Minister;Exmetjan Qasimi;1930;LE;Great Compromiser;High;U65_Exmetjan_Qasimi;x
    865014;Minister of Armament;Kunimu Khan;1930;SC;Military Entrepreneur;Medium;M72014;x
    865004;Minister of Armament;Dalilkhan Sugurbayef;1930;LE;Infantry Proponent;Medium;U65_Dalilkhan_Sugurbayef;x
    865016;Minister of Security;Isa Yusuf Alptekin;1930;SC;Man of the People;High;U65_Isa_Yusuf_Alptekin;x
    865028;Minister of Security;Ishakjan Monhakiyev;1930;SC;Crime Fighter;Medium;M72025;x
    865005;Minister of Security;Abdukerim Abbasof;1930;LE;Man of the People;Medium;U65_Abdukerim_Abbasof;x
    865017;Head of Military Intelligence;Dalerim Khan;1930;PA;Political Specialist;Medium;M72016;x
    865006;Head of Military Intelligence;Ishaqbek Mononof;1930;LE;Political Specialist;Medium;U65_Ishaqbek_Mononof;x
    865019;Chief of Staff;Yol Bars;1930;SC;School of Mass Combat;Medium;M72017;x
    865007;Chief of Staff;Ishaqbek Mononof;1930;LE;School of Mass Combat;Medium;U65_Ishaqbek_Mononof;x
    865020;Chief of Army;Yol Bars;1930;SC;Elastic Defence Doctrine;Medium;M72017;x
    865008;Chief of Army;Ishaqbek Mononof;1930;LE;Guns and Butter Doctrine;Medium;U65_Ishaqbek_Mononof;x
    Feel free to contribute any graphics, such as your new intro movie
    I would like these scenarios as GCs.
    1) 1945 (hacked Doomsday)
    2) 1956 Suez crisis
    3) 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis
    4) 1975 after Vietnam is reunited by the Communists.
    5) Somewhere between 1986 and 1989 just prior to the fall of the Soviet Union
    6) real 1999
    Please feel free to make and post improvements.
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  14. #354
    what is the big difference between East Turkestan and Sinkiang?

  15. #355
    Besides the flag, Xinjiang was a pro-Chinese warlord state, while East Turkestan is composed of leaders who really want independence.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tu...dence_movement
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    Sinkiang leaders were so "pro-chinese" that they applied to be accepted as a Socialist republic in the USSR just to avoid chinese rule and had to be killed off in an "accidental" plane crash...But well as long as there are lots of free tags I guess another country does not hurt...

  17. #357
    What I meant about speed up event is the event shown up when I play 1944 scenerio its about techteams and gives 2500 research point.

    I will try to do as best I can about the tech teams and ministers of Turkey.Also I will send some pics about mod too..

    What I need is a empty map(empty scenerio without units file) if you have it for testing etc give me scenerio with this I can make scenerios really easly and this probably speeds up your project.

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    I am still working on porting Nomonhan's Fatherland Scenario plus events to AoD. When or if I get that done I might do the same about the Cold war scenario. Currently I am working on making the scenario loadable. Would be nice if I can find out what missing event database exactly means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amallric View Post
    Sinkiang leaders were so "pro-chinese" that they applied to be accepted as a Socialist republic in the USSR just to avoid chinese rule and had to be killed off in an "accidental" plane crash...But well as long as there are lots of free tags I guess another country does not hurt...
    Those were the East Turkestan, not the Xinjiang leaders. Yes they were killed off in an "accidental" plane crash on Stalin's orders. One of them, Saifuddin Azizov, was won over and became a high official in Communist China. The reasoning is very similar as to why there are two tags (ISR and PAL) to represent the same piece of land in the Middle East. Soviet support for East Turkestan (1944-1949) was an about-face for them. Earlier they supported Sheng Shicai who was Chinese and actually suppressed the anti-Chinese majority, and collaborated with both Nationalist China and the Soviets.

    (Taken from article #1)
    "the ruler of Sinkiang followed his natural inclination to flow with the tide; thus the chameleon warlord became 'Redder than Red'." 74 A secret police force modelled after and controlled by the NKVD, called the Pao-an-tui (Security Preservation Corps) was created and, as a result, police terror and surveillance became widespread. When the Great Stalinist Purge swept the Soviet Union in 1937, the search for "Trotskyites" and "Fascists" spilled over into Xinjiang and many leaders, Turkic, Dungan, and Han Chinese, were eliminated. "In retrospect, it is clear that the only factor linking the ethnically and politically diverse 'Fascist-Trotskyite plotters' was their opposition... to the Soviet-sponsored status quo in Sinkiang and, more particularly, to Sheng Shih-ts'ai himself." 75 Following the purge, Sheng visited Moscow in 1938 where he became a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). 76 It is interesting to note that Stalin had previously vetoed an earlier request by Sheng to join the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), thus showing that the Soviet Union's concerns extended beyond merely ensuring that Xinjiang had a Communist government. Upon his return to Urumchi, Sheng proceeded to endorse every move that Stalin made as World War II unfolded. "By 1939... Sinkiang, though still nominally part of China, had become a virtual dependency of the Soviet Union, differing scarcely at all from the neighbouring Mongolian People's Republic."
    Also Mao Zemin, who was Mao Zedong's brother, joined the Sheng Shicai government.
    This can hardly be considered the same state as this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_E...estan_Republic
    In short the East Turkestan ministers are the ones that definitely did not want to be associated with China, while the Xinjiang ministers are the ones who desired Chinese satellite status. Some people were also fence-sitters and are in both files.
    Here's the Xinjiang file (with obviously anti-Chinese ministers removed and Mao Zemin added):
    Code:
    SIK;Ruling Cabinet - Start;Name;Pool;Ideology;Personality;Loyalty;Picturename;x
    72001;Head of State;Sheng Shicai;33;PA;Resigned Generalissimo;High;M72001;x
    72002;Head of Government;Khoja Neyaze;33;PA;Naive Optimist;High;M72002;x
    72003;Foreign Minister;Sheng Shicai;33;PA;Great Compromiser;Very High;M72001;x
    72004;Minister of Armament;Habibullah Huseinov;33;PA;Infantry Proponent;Medium;M72004;x
    72005;Minister of Security;Zhang Xiliang;33;PA;Crooked Kleptocrat;Medium;M72005;x
    72006;Head of Military Intelligence;Viktor A.F. Polinov;33;PA;Industrial Specialist;Medium;M72006;x
    72007;Chief of Staff;Sheng Shicai;33;PA;School of Psychology;Very High;M72001;x
    72008;Chief of Army;Sheng Shicai;33;PA;Guns and Butter Doctrine;Very High;M72001;x
    72009;Chief of Navy;Sa Zhenbing;33;PA;Indirect Approach Doctrine;Medium;M72009;x
    72010;Chief of Air Force;Piotr Orlov;33;PA;Army Aviation Doctrine;Medium;M72010;x
    ;Replacements;;;;;;;x
    72021;Head of State;Sheng Shicai;33;LWR;Resigned Generalissimo;High;M72001;x
    72022;Head of Government;Sheng Shicai;33;LWR;Old General;High;M72001;x
    72023;Foreign Minister;Sheng Shicai;33;LWR;Great Compromiser;Very High;M72001;x
    72027;Chief of Staff;Sheng Shicai;33;LWR;School of Psychology;Very High;M72001;x
    72028;Chief of Army;Sheng Shicai;33;LWR;Guns and Butter Doctrine;Undying;M72001;x
    72029;Chief of Navy;Sa Zhenbing;33;LE;Indirect Approach Doctrine;Medium;M72009;x
    72030;Chief of Air Force;Piotr Orlov;33;LE;Army Aviation Doctrine;Medium;M72010;x
    72032;Minister of Armament;A.V. Fedyunskij;38;PA;Infantry Proponent;Medium;M72024;x
    72036;Head of Military Intelligence;Zhang Xiliang;38;PA;Dismal Enigma;Medium;M72005;x
    72038;Head of Military Intelligence;Liu Ben;39;PA;Technical Specialist;Medium;M72026;x
    72049;Minister of Security;Mao Zemin;38;ST;Prince of Terror;High;M72049;x
    72050;Minister of Armament;Mao Zemin;38;ST;Administrative Genius;High;M72049;x
    72051;Head of Military Intelligence;Mao Zemin;38;ST;Logistics Specialist;High;M72049;x
    72060;Head of State;Zhang Zhizhong;44;PA;Resigned Generalissimo;Medium;L50004;x
    72061;Head of Government;Burhan Shahidi;44;PA;Silent Workhorse;Medium;unknown;x
    72062;Foreign Minister;Burhan Shahidi;44;PA;Great Compromiser;Medium;unknown;x
    72063;Minister of Armament;Zhang Zhizhong;44;PA;Infantry Proponent;Medium;L50004;x
    72064;Head of Military Intelligence;Zhang Zhizhong;44;PA;Logistics Specialist;Medium;L50004;x
    72065;Head of State;Masud Sabri;47;PA;Insignificant Layman;Medium;unknown;x
    72066;Chief of Staff;Zhang Zhizhong;44;PA;School of Defence;Medium;L50004;x
    72067;Chief of Army;Zhang Zhizhong;44;PA;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;L50004;x
    Sheng eventually became a turncoat and murdered Mao Zemin. Perhaps that is part of the reason Mao Zedong eventually became anti-Soviet later. BTW Sheng as Foreign Minister is Great Compromiser--that's according to the Book of Paradox. I personally think "The Cloak N Dagger Schemer" fits him better.
    This SIK tag expires in 1960 in my mod (along with other Chinese warlords). This means it cannot be released after 1960. Their leaders were firmly in favor of association with China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomonhan View Post
    OK then what are your recommendations? First of all what is your "speed up event"? As for the USSR they probably need either 1) a new AI changing their mix of units or 2) more oil in their provinces. In reality the USSR not only supplied itself with oil but also most of its satellites for most of the Cold War. For one thing they stole a lot of technologies from the Germans in 1945, which should be modeled into the Germany surrenders event.
    Please feel free to make and post improvements.
    Aod does not account for new oil/gas resource discoveries post 36. A LOT of oil was uncovered since that time

    Working on a list of major fields - ill have it up soon so if any good event designer can go at em thatd be great - Otherwise I can work em through a generic event editor.

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