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  1. #581
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzardwolf View Post
    There seems to be trouble with some of the AI's not being nearly aggressive enough. China's been at war with Tibet for almost a year now and it hasn't even attacked yet. Similarly with North Korea, even though it has local superiority in terms of divisions, it never attacks South Korea.
    Maybe this will help re AI - from THIRD REICH AoD MOD
    USA AI is far more aggressive (accomplished by lowering its min_attack_odds below 1.0)

  2. #582
    Quote Originally Posted by skbrewer View Post
    I'm not sure I like the choice of Jan Brewer, just because she's in the news right now. I realize that fantasy elections are basically going to be a crapshoot though. I was wondering what the feasibility would be of perhaps having "Exploratory Committee" or "Primary Election" events for those future elections, so that people could potentially choose their own candidates. I realize the number of events would balloon exponentially, but given that there are really only 4 or 5 of these speculative elections, I thought it might be interesting, especially since they could probably share ministers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keioel View Post
    Obama vs Jan Brewer isn't very realistic for 2012. It should either be Palin, Romney, or Huckabee as they are the current front runners and Brewer hasn't even mentioned running.
    Well, nothing would be very realistic for 2012. We have no way of knowing who would be in the running then.

    My rational was that 1. Gingrich and Huckabee are damaged goods 2. Palin is making too much money being a celebrity and 3. I've never met a Republican who actually liked Romney. However, I've met a lot of people, both Democrat and Republican, who backed Arizona's Governor over Obama on the immigration issue.

    How many people thought that Barrack Obama would be the next President back in 2006?

    Anyway I can change it if people want, but a bunch of primary events would be a real pain in the ass to code.

    Maybe Romney (ML) Obama (sl) and Brewer as a third party one issue sc candidate in 2012?
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  3. #583
    I'm going to let danielshannon do what he wants to do with the elections and then might consider minor changes later.

    I will try in 0.16
    1-AI only surrender of Tibet when 10% loss of territory
    2-changing criteria to load CHC Cold War AI
    3-lowering attack odds from 1.1 to 1.0

    PRK will probably require its own AI file which won't be done until I have more time on my hands. If there's an AI guru out there who would like to upload a PRK AI file, be my guest.
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  4. #584
    Well what we could do for 2012 - 2020 elections would be have events like:

    choice A keep current President
    Choice B Republican Wins - trigger event B
    Choice C Democrat wins - trigger event C
    Choice D Third party candiate wins - trigger event D

    then
    event B
    Which Republican wins?
    Choice A Romney
    Choice B Palin
    Choice C Huckabee
    Choice D Brewer

    Event D
    Nader Green (SD)
    Libertarian (ML)
    Constitution Party (SC)

    etc
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  5. #585
    Excellent idea. The only thing is you'd have to be careful about the two-term limit.

    You're also going to get (in 0.16) a batch program to change the flag of a country, and the USA will have the 50 state flag available (all flags with correct vertical display) and also a 51-state flag (if Puerto Rico statehood succeeds). Many countries changed flags over the period 1936-2010, and some had many changes. Whereas I won't represent all of them, I'll try to do the major ones. The biggest change of course will be the ability to set all flags to 1) WW2 settings 2) 1945 settings 3) modern day settings, or to change some individual flags. Unfortunately it will not work if the game is already running, but if you're selecting a scenario, you can change the flags then, or alternately, save and reload.
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    Well to be honest I can't really talk about the Democrats side of the house as I'm not intimately familiar when their politicians like I am with the Republicans. However, you're point about what 2012 will look like is taken, however, while no one thought that Obama would win in 2006 they were talking about him being a Presidential Candidate. Right now the only people being seriously talked about for the (R) Ticket are the ones you mentioned, but it's all "what-if" so we can pick whoever we want, and I like your suggestion.

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    Just make sure i can get my Socialist/Communist Presidents/Government. For any nation i want to play as espescially US.
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  8. #588
    I made nazi/commie governments for the us in the modern day mod, so there will be ministers for this.

    don't know about having any election events for them, though
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  9. #589
    Uploaded savegame is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?o2v348rcz6doeas

    I tried even changing the numbers affecting research (nearly) back to a normal game just to see if that affected it, but nothing I did could keep a CTD from happening as soon as I click the "begin research" button on the 1980 paratrooper tech.
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  10. #590
    danielshannon, out of curiosity, who is the modern day President of the Nazi and Communist United States in your mod?

  11. #591
    (EDITED because my original diagnosis was wrong)


    mdlusk,

    The problem was due to a corrupt graphics file for the tech picture 20560.bmp in the gfx/interface/tech folder. Delete it. You'll get the "unknown picture", but no crash. I'll have a fixed picture for the next version.
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  12. #592
    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzardwolf View Post
    danielshannon, out of curiosity, who is the modern day President of the Nazi and Communist United States in your mod?
    Maoists/Stalinist Heads of State
    Bob Avakian 1970s to present

    Leninists HOS
    Sam Webb (CPUSA) 1980s to present

    Fascist HOS
    David Duke 1970s to present

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    1950s J. B. Stoner
    1960s George Lincoln Rockwell
    1980s William Pierce
    2000s Tom Metzger
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  13. #593
    I'm going to post some of the work so far. Please keep in mind that we are using the Sec of Defense as Armaments Minister. I'll make some alternative ministers based on various treasury secretaries. Please also note that I'm just showing the new minister, some people, like Nelson Rockefeller, are already in Nom's minister file. CIA/Homeland Security and FBI directors will be added in later as will the Joint Chiefs.

    Also note that some guys, like Warren Christopher, may appear in multiple cabinets so i just mention them once. Also some guys are mentioned who'd be a logical addition during a second term.

    Your questions/comments/cries of anguish will be most appreciated

    McGovern's Cabinet
    6309;Head of State;George McGovern;72;SL;Benevolent Gentleman;High;george_mcgovern;x
    6310;Head of Government;Sargent Shriver;72;SL;Naive Optimist;High;sargent_shriver;x
    6311;Foreign Minister;George W. Ball;72;SL;Apologetic Clerk;High;georgew_ball;x
    6312;Minister of Armament;Cyrus Vance;72;SL;Battle Fleet Proponent;High;cyrus_vance;x

    Nixon's Cabinet
    6313;Head of Government;Gerald Ford;68;ML;Happy Amateur;Medium;gerald_ford;x

    Gerald Ford's Cabinet
    6314;Head of State;Gerald Ford;72;ML;Insignificant Layman;High;gerald_ford;x
    6315;Minister of Armament;James R. Schlesinger;72;ML;Air to Ground Proponent;High;jr_schlesinger;x
    6316;Minister of Armament;Donald Rumsfeld;72;ML;Air to Ground Proponent;High;donald_rumsfeld;x
    (note I forgot that Dole was Ford's running mate in 76. I've added him as HOG at the end of the file)

    Jimmy Carter's Cabinet
    6317;Head of State;Jimmy Carter;76;SL;Weary Stiffneck;High;jimmy_carter;x
    6318;Head of Government;Walter Mondale;76;SL;Naive Optimist;High;walter_mondale;x
    6319;Foreign Minister;Cyrus Vance;76;SL;Great Compromiser;High;cyrus_vance;x
    6320;Foreign Minister;Zbigniew Brzezinski;76;SL;The Cloak N Dagger Schemer;High;Zbigniew_Brzezinski;x
    6321;Minister of Armament;Harold Brown;76;SL;Theoretical Scientist;High;harold_brownusa;x
    6322;Foreign Minister;Edmund Muskie;76;SL;Apologetic Clerk;High;edmund_muskie;x

    John B Anderson's Cabinet
    6323;Head of State;John B. Anderson;80;ML;Stern Imperialist;High;johnb_anderson;x
    6324;Head of Government;Patrick J. Lucey;80;ML;Happy Amateur;Medium;pat_lucey;x
    6325;Foreign Minister;Harold Stassen;80;ML;General Staffer;High;harold_stassen;x
    6326;Minister of Armament;Phil Gramm;80;ML;Laissez Faires Capitalist;High;phil_gramm;x

    Ronald Reagan's Cabinet
    6327;Head of State;Ronald Reagan;68;SC;Die-hard Reformer;High;ronald_reagan;x
    6328;Head of Government;George H. W. Bush;80;ML;Backroom Backstabber;High;ghw_bush;x
    6329;Foreign Minister;Alexander Haig;80;SC;General Staffer;High;al_haig;x
    6330;Minister of Armament;Caspar Weinberger;80;SC;Battle Fleet Proponent;High;weinberger;x
    6331;Foreign Minister;George P. Shultz;80;ML;Great Compromiser;High;george_shultz;x
    6332;Minister of Armament;Frank C. Carlucci;80;SC;Tank Proponent;High;frank_carlucci;x

    Walter Mondale's Cabinet
    6333;Head of State;Walter Mondale;84;SL;Benevolent Gentleman;High;walter_mondale;x
    6334;Head of Government;Geraldine Ferraro;84;SL;Flamboyant Tough Guy;High;geraldine_ferraro;x
    6335;Foreign Minister;Gary Hart;84;SL;Iron Fisted Brute;High;gary_hart;x
    6336;Minister of Armament;John Glenn;84;SL;Theoretical Scientist;High;john_glenn;x

    Ted Kennedy's Cabinet
    6337;Head of State;Ted Kennedy;80;SL;Benevolent Gentleman;High;ted_kennedy;x
    6338;Head of Government;John Glenn;80;SL;Old Air Marshal;High;john_glenn;x
    6339;Foreign Minister;Warren Christopher;80;SL;Ideological Crusader;High;warren_christopher;x
    6340;Minister of Armament;Lloyd Bentsen;80;SL;Strategic Air Proponent;High;llyod_bentsen;x

    GHW Bush's cabinet
    6341;Head of State;George H. W. Bush;80;ML;Stern Imperialist;High;ghw_bush;x
    6342;Head of Government;Dan Quayle;88;ML;Happy Amateur;Medium;dan_quayle;x
    6343;Foreign Minister;James Baker;84;ML;Iron Fisted Brute;High;james_baker;x
    6344;Minister of Armament;Dick Cheney;84;SC;Resource Industrialist;High;dick_cheney;x
    6345;Foreign Minister;Lawrence Eagleburger;84;ML;Apologetic Clerk;High;lawrence_eagleburger;x

    Dukakis' Cabinet
    6346;Head of State;Michael Dukakis;88;SL;Weary Stiffneck;High;dukakis;x
    6347;Head of Government;Lloyd Bentsen;88;SL;Corporate Suit;High;llyod_bentsen;x
    6348;Minister of Armament;Les Aspin;88;SL;Air to Sea Proponent;Very High;les_aspin;x

    Clinton's cabinet
    6349;Head of State;Bill Clinton;92;SL;Benevolent Gentleman;High;bill_clinton;x
    6350;Head of Government;Al Gore;92;SL;Silent Workhorse;High;al_gore;x
    6351;Foreign Minister;Madeleine Albright;96;SL;Iron Fisted Brute;High;madeleine_albright;x
    6352;Minister of Armament;William Cohen;92;ML;Tank Proponent;High;william_cohen;x

    Perot's Cabinet
    6354;Head of State;Ross Perot;92;ML;Pig-headed Isolationist;High;ross_perot;x
    6355;Head of Government;James B. Stockdale;92;ML;Old Admiral;High;james_stockdale;x
    6366;Foreign Minister;Jeane Kirkpatrick;84;SC;Iron Fisted Brute;High;jeane_kirkpatrick;x
    6367;Minister of Armament;Colin Powell;88;ML;Infantry Proponent;Very High;colin_powell;x

    Pat Buchanan's cabinet
    6368;Head of State;Pat Buchanan;92;SC;Pig-headed Isolationist;High;pat_buchanan;x
    6369;Head of Government;Bob Dornan;92;SC;Flamboyant Tough Guy;High;bob_dornan;x
    6370;Foreign Minister;Richard V. Allen;92;SC;Biased Intellectual;High;richardv_allen;x
    6371;Minister of Armament;Trent Franks;92;SC;Resource Industrialist;High;trent_franks;x

    Bob Dole's cabinet
    6372;Head of State;Bob Dole;96;ML;Weary Stiffneck;High;bob_dole;x
    6373;Head of Government;Jack Kemp;96;ML;Naive Optimist;High;jack_kemp;x
    6374;Foreign Minister;Curt Weldon;96;ML;Great Compromiser;High;curt_weldon;x
    6375;Minister of Armament;Al_D'Amato;96;ML;Battle Fleet Proponent;High;damato;x

    George W. Bush's Cabinet
    6376;Head of State;George W. Bush;99;SC;Die-hard Reformer;High;gw_bush;x
    6377;Head of Government;Dick Cheney;99;SC;Backroom Backstabber;High;dick_cheney;x
    6378;Foreign Minister;Colin Powell;99;ML;General Staffer;High;colin_powell;x
    6379;Foreign Minister;Condoleezza Rice;99;SC;Biased Intellectual;High;condi_rice;x
    6380;Minister of Armament;Robert Gates;99;ML;Infantry Proponent;Very High;robert_gates;x

    Al Gore's Cabinet
    6381;Head of State;Al Gore;99;SL;Die-hard Reformer;High;al_gore;x
    6382;Head of Government;Joe Lieberman;99;ML;Backroom Backstabber;High;joe_lieberman;x
    6383;Foreign Minister;Bill Richardson;99;SL;Great Compromiser;High;bill_richardson;x
    6384;Minister of Armament;John Howard Dalton;99;SL;Battle Fleet Proponent;High;john_dalton;x
    6385;Minister of Armament;John Hamre;99;SL;Air Superiority Proponent;Very High;john_hamre;x

    John Kerry's Cabinet
    6386;Head of State;John Kerry;99;SL;Weary Stiffneck;High;john_kerry;x
    6387;Head of Government;John Edwards;99;SL;Naive Optimist;High;john_edwards;x
    6388;Foreign Minister;Richard Holbrooke;92;SL;Ideological Crusader;High;dick_holbrooke;x
    6399;Minister of Armament;Sam Nunn;92;ML;Air to Ground Proponent;High;sam_nunn;x
    6400;Minister of Armament;Richard Danzig;99;SL;Battle Fleet Proponent;High;dick_danzig;x

    Barrack Obama's Cabinet
    6401;Head of State;Barrack Obama;99;SL;Die-hard Reformer;High;obama;x
    6402;Head of Government;Joe Biden;99;SL;Naive Optimist;High;joe_biden;x
    6403;Foreign Minister;Hillary Clinton;99;SL;Ideological Crusader;High;hillary_clinton;x
    6404; Minister of Armament;William J. Lynn III;99;ML;Air to Ground Proponent;High;wj_lynn;x

    McCain's Cabinet
    6405;Head of State;John McCain;99;ML;Stern Imperialist;High;jmccain;x
    6406;Head of Government;Sarah Palin;99;SC;Happy Amateur;Medium;sarah_palin;x
    6407;Foreign Minister;John Negroponte;92;ML;Great Compromiser;High;jnegroponte;x

    missing from Ford's Cabinet
    6408;Head of Government;Bob Dole;72;ML;Backroom Backstabber;High;bob_dole;x

    Look fine so far?
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  14. #594
    Are you going to have Nixon's HOG start as Spiro Agnew, with events for the bribery scandal for him to resign and Gerald Ford to step up, or just have it as Ford the whole time since he was Speaker of the House? I noticed that all of your HOGs are VPs, but the US ministers file also uses Speakers of the House (John Nance Garner) and Presidents Pro Tem of the Senate (Strom Thurmond). You might think about sprinkling in someone like Sam Rayburn or Tip O'Neill. Also, you have Barack Obama misspelled.

  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by skbrewer View Post
    Are you going to have Nixon's HOG start as Spiro Agnew, with events for the bribery scandal for him to resign and Gerald Ford to step up, or just have it as Ford the whole time since he was Speaker of the House? I noticed that all of your HOGs are VPs, but the US ministers file also uses Speakers of the House (John Nance Garner) and Presidents Pro Tem of the Senate (Strom Thurmond). You might think about sprinkling in someone like Sam Rayburn or Tip O'Neill. Also, you have Barack Obama misspelled.
    Thanks for catching that misspelling.

    THe Pdox minister file uses vice presidents as Heads of Government. Garner was Roosevelt's VP during his first term and Thurmond ran for President on a third party ticket in 1948. So, if Tip appears it won't be as a Head of Government.

    Agnew is already in the mod's minister file. We'll code an event for Spiro's downfall.
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    I've never understood why they Put the VP as the Head of Government as it should be the Speaker of the House but maybe it's because the VP is the President of the Senate?

    Nice work on the ministers I'd quibble over some of the traits but no major complaints. Great job!

  17. #597
    Quote Originally Posted by Keioel View Post
    I've never understood why they Put the VP as the Head of Government as it should be the Speaker of the House but maybe it's because the VP is the President of the Senate?

    Nice work on the ministers I'd quibble over some of the traits but no major complaints. Great job!
    Yeah, I don't know why they did that. For flavor maybe?

    Well I'm willing to entertain any suggestions you have, so feel free to voice them.
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  18. #598
    mdlusk,
    On second investigation it turns out that the problem was due to a corrupt graphics file. Go into the folder gfx\interface\tech file and delete the graphics file 20560.bmp. You will get the "unknown" picture displayed and it won't crash. I redid the picture so in 0.16 it will work properly.

    ATTENTION ALL WHO ARE PLAYING THIS GAME AND MAY BE TECH TREE TESTING
    Please note the issue above and delete the aforementioned graphics file.

    Re: US government, VP etc.
    The problem here is that you have two styles of HOS/HOG
    You have the British/parliament style (used by many) where the #1 is ceremonial and #2 holds real power, and then you have the USA/presidential style (also used by Germany) in which #1 is the real boss, and #2 is the assistant. Often a HOG personality is more suitable for the HOS and vice-versa. I don't quite see Al Gore as Diehard Reformer though. In HOI2, that's more for warmongers, not social reformers. Take your pick of Weary Stiffneck, Benevolent Gentleman, or Barking Buffoon. For Barack Obama I'd say Popular Figurehead is a better fit. Ambitious Union Boss would be ideal for him except that it is a HOG personality.

    Pig headed Isolationist is actually a very strong personality. You can't start wars easily as a democracy but it better prepares you for wars started by others. Also even though he has no real chance of winning, please include Ron Paul (Pig headed Isolationist).
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    Cool list of leaders but you need a socialist US not Communist/Leninist or Maoist no why unless they where conquer by SU or PRC(Soviet Union or People's Republic of China).

    There needs to mayby a senerio like a Revoltuion in US with a socialist part and US maybe another part if you want

    But there must be a Socialist USA Which should be different then a Soviet Union/Communist China supporters I wanted a game where the cold war is different where it was bettween communist dicatiorship vs Socialist democracy..wired i know...I am have been coming up with a story behind it it basicly happens before WW2 but this mod can help me experiment with the idea...There was some leaders i read about they may help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielshannon
    Your questions/comments/cries of anguish will be most appreciated
    sth technically, maybe: it will be easier for you if you add the country TAG to the pic title, like Shannon_Daniel_usa. then you can sort them out by country later if you need to separate them.

    this system was used in HoI1 and i found it superior to the HoI2/AoD/HoI3 naming system (at least if you mod)

    EDIT: + at least for the politicians its maybe good if you have some sleepminister events later in game as those dont have a death date to clean up the cabinet, otherwise you'll end up with a lot of zombies

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