Questions to the Developers

[thrashing mad]

Yes, although it's not one of the easiest tasks

Are you sure? Would we still need $15,000 worth EmotionFX to edit actual meshes (like it is in all clausewitz engine games), or would they actually be moddable (accessible/convertable for more common formats/3d software)?

[Ignatich]

Are you sure? Would we still need $15,000 worth EmotionFX to edit actual meshes (like it is in all clausewitz engine games), or would they actually be moddable (accessible/convertable for more common formats/3d software)?

We are not using EmotionFX. Models use eu3:in format (pdxa) and a similar one we implemented for animation support. Also, we have experimental FBX model support, but I'm not sure if we will include it in the release version or not.

[thrashing mad]

We are not using EmotionFX. Models use eu3:in format (pdxa) and a similar one we implemented for animation support. Also, we have experimental FBX model support, but I'm not sure if we will include it in the release version or not.

So can I import/export meshes (retaining texture assignment and animation information) to 3dsmax format for example? As a former M2TW modder/modeller/texturer, I would gladly work on 3d 'sprites' for various nations/eras.

[Ignatich]

So can I import/export meshes (retaining texture assignment and animation information) to 3dsmax format for example? As a former M2TW modder/modeller/texturer, I would gladly work on 3d 'sprites' for various nations/eras.

AFAIK we have a converter to our format. But it doesn't work that good and the models loose a lot of detail. For this reason we added experimental FBX support, but in the end we couldn't deliver new models on time. So we may have to go back to EU3:IN models for release version. For modders we can at least fully document the format and provide our internal converters for community to improve on.

[thrashing mad]

AFAIK we have a converter to our format. But it doesn't work that good and the models loose a lot of detail. For this reason we added experimental FBX support, but in the end we couldn't deliver new models on time. So we may have to go back to EU3:IN models for release version. For modders we can at least fully document the format and provide our internal converters for community to improve on.

OK, thanks - sounds promising.

[gliomarto]

In short: Yes, no but you can mod it, no.

Ah I see, then the question is: diplomatic options are just like decisions now, with "ai_will_do" and factors, so it should be possible to mod them so AI will use them, right?

[JWSIII]

Sorry to bug, was wondering if anyone had the time they could answer the other two questions, would really apprecaite it - thanks, JWSIII

1: On the Magna Mundi webpage, it mentions that colonies can have specializations (as seperate from the colonial policy)... can someone explain this to me?

2: Will the building system allow for per province administrative burden reduction?

[dskod1]

Ah I see, then the question is: diplomatic options are just like decisions now, with "ai_will_do" and factors, so it should be possible to mod them so AI will use them, right?

i found this in the modding wiki about diplomatic scripting, hope its useful

ai_desirability = <formula> This determines how much the AI will value a particular relation with another country (FROM). Diplomatic overtures are made by considering all options of a particular type. If ai_desirability is > 0, this may be sent. If ai_desirability < 0, an existing relation may be revoked.

[videonfan]

About warfare system
a well equiped morrocan army with a good leader will be able to defeat an iberian army?or did ubik made portugal lucky like paradox made sweden lucky? :P

[k_merse]

There is no lucky nation. Arbus cheated to be able to create a huge army to show a simple example of land warfare. Portugal wouldn't be able to produce an army of that size and invade Morocco without any resistance.

[LYNCHY]

How important will naval combat be in this game? i think it would be interesting to create a naval superpower but in games like victoria 2 and EU3 it just doesnt seem important

[k_merse]

Try to control your colonies without a proper navy then
Naval forces will be very important in warfare as well, because you can effectively cripple a nation which heavily relies on sea trade.

[LYNCHY]

Try to control your colonies without a proper navy then
Naval forces will be very important in warfare as well, because you can effectively cripple a nation which heavily relies on sea trade.

Ok, thanks, i have EU3, just havnt played it yet, but in viccy2 navies are pointless apart from transport, good to hear they are that important

[gliomarto]

i found this in the modding wiki about diplomatic scripting, hope its useful

ai_desirability = <formula> This determines how much the AI will value a particular relation with another country (FROM). Diplomatic overtures are made by considering all options of a particular type. If ai_desirability is > 0, this may be sent. If ai_desirability < 0, an existing relation may be revoked.

Ah, yes it is, thanks.

Next question then: will formable "union states", like Italy or Spain, have all cultures of culture group as primary (if there is still such distinction) as in EU3, or will it be necessary to accept other cultures the usual way?

[Helius]

Ah I see, then the question is: diplomatic options are just like decisions now, with "ai_will_do" and factors, so it should be possible to mod them so AI will use them, right?

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, no: Decisions are much simpler. Diplomatic relations require more complexity. Take for example the alliance:

alliance = {
	icon = 3
	grants_primary_vision = yes
	grants_secondary_vision = yes
	asymmetric = no
	revokable = yes
	grants_primary_ally = yes
	#friendly = yes
	potential = { condition = { id = japan_diplo FROM = FROM } }
	allow = {
		NOT = { war_with = FROM }
		OR = {
			NOT = { condition = is_subject }
			has_relation = { type = vassal who = FROM }
			has_relation = { type = union who = FROM }
		}
		capital_scope = { influence = { tag = FROM value = 0.1 } }
	}

	effect = { relation = { who = FROM value = 25 } FROM = { prestige = 0.02 } }
	revoke_effect = { relation = { who = FROM value = -75 } }

	revoke_potential = {	# always, unless they are our overlord; except when they are >1 BB
		OR = {
			NOT = { condition = is_subject }
			NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
			FROM = { badboy = 1 }
		}
	}
	revoke_allow = {
		OR = {
			AND = {
				war = no
				FROM = { war = no }
			}
			war_with = FROM
		}
	}
	cancel_potential = {	# always, unless they are our overlord; except when they are >1 BB
		OR = {
			NOT = { condition = is_subject }
			NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
			FROM = { badboy = 1 }
		}
	}
	cancel_allow = {
		OR = {
			AND = {
				war = no
				FROM = { war = no }
			}
			war_with = FROM
		}
	}

	first_to_second_transfer = { relations = 2 }

	ai_desirability = {
		multiply = {
			factor = 12
			influence = FROM
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 0.5
			has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 2 }
			NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
			NOT = { condition = { id = overlord_of FROM = FROM } }
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 0
			has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 3 }
			NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
			NOT = { condition = { id = overlord_of FROM = FROM } }
		}
		add = {
			modifier = {
				factor = 200
				has_relation = { type = alliance who = FROM }	# to make it stick
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -200
				has_relation = { type = throne_claim_relation who = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {	# keep your enemies close
				factor = 50
				has_casus_belli = FROM
				num_of_cities = FROM
			}
			modifier = { #more likely to offer if there is a shared threat
				factor = 75
				any_known_country = {
					is_threat = THIS
					is_threat = FROM
				}
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 200
				NOT = { has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 1 } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 200
				NOT = { has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 2 } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -100
				FROM = { has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 1 } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -200
				FROM = { has_relation_count = { type = alliance which = any value = 2 } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 200
				any_known_country = {
					war_with = THIS
					war_with = FROM
				}
				NOT = { war_with = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 100
				any_known_country = {
					truce_with = THIS
					truce_with = FROM
					NOT = { has_relation = { type = alliance who = THIS } }
					NOT = { has_relation = { type = alliance who = FROM } }
				}
				NOT = { war_with = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 100
				has_relation = { type = establish_embassy who = FROM }
			}
			multiply = {
				factor = -4
				country_value = badboy
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -160
				badboy = 1
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -200
				war_with = FROM
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -50
				is_rival = FROM
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -100
				is_threat = FROM
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 25
				NOT = { is_rival = FROM }
				NOT = { is_threat = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 50
				rival_countries = { is_rival = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 100
				threat_countries = { is_threat = FROM }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 50
				FROM = { rival_countries = { is_rival = THIS } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 100
				FROM = { threat_countries = { is_threat = THIS } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = 100
				OR = {
					condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM }
					condition = { id = overlord_of FROM = FROM }
				}
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -250
				NOT = { religion_group = FROM }
				FROM = { NOT = { idea = humanist_tolerance } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -150
				NOT = { religion_group = FROM }
				FROM = { idea = humanist_tolerance }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -50
				NOT = { religion_group = FROM }
				FROM = { idea = religious_dogmatism }
			}
			modifier = { 
				factor = 25
				OR = {
					AND = {
						government = theocracy
						FROM = { government = theocracy }
					}
					AND = {
						government = monarchy
						FROM = { government = monarchy }
					}
					AND = {
						government = republic
						FROM = { government = republic }
					}
				}
			}
			modifier = { 
				factor = -25
				OR = {
					AND = {
						government = theocracy
						FROM = { NOT = { government = theocracy } }
					}
					AND = {
						government = monarchy
						FROM = { NOT = { government = monarchy } }
					}
					AND = {
						government = republic
						FROM = { NOT = { government = republic } }
					}
				}
			}
			modifier = { 
				factor = 50
				religion = FROM
			}
			modifier = { 
				factor = -125
				NOT = { religion = FROM }
				religion_group = FROM
				FROM = { NOT = { idea = ecumenism } }
			}
			modifier = {
				factor = -75
				NOT = { religion = FROM }
				religion_group = FROM
				FROM = { idea = divine_supremacy }
			}
			modifier = { 
				factor = 10
				has_relation = { who = FROM type = royal_marriage }
			}
			modifier = {
				NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
				groupfactor = {
					multiply = {
						factor = -20
						relation_count = { type = alliance }
					}
				}
			}
			max = {	# our prestige minus their prestige (less likely to offer, the lower ours and the higher theirs)
				factor = -40	# never more impact than -40
				multiply = {
					factor = 100
					add = {
						FROM = { country_value = prestige }
						modifier = {
							prestige = 0
							groupfactor = {
								negate = { country_value = prestige }
							}
						}
						modifier = {
							NOT = { prestige = 0 }
							groupfactor = {
								country_value = prestige
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
			max = {
				factor = -120
				modifier = {	# less likely to offer, the greater the difference in size
					FROM = { num_of_cities = THIS }
					NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
					groupfactor = {
						multiply = {
							factor = 10
							add = {
								country_value = num_of_cities
								negate = { FROM = { country_value = num_of_cities } }
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
			max = {
				factor = -120
				modifier = {	# less likely to offer, the greater the difference in size
					num_of_cities = FROM
					NOT = { condition = { id = subject_of FROM = FROM } }
					groupfactor = {
						multiply = {
							factor = 10
							add = {
								FROM = { country_value = num_of_cities }
								negate = { country_value = num_of_cities }
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
		}
	}
}

[gliomarto]

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, no: Decisions are much simpler. Diplomatic relations require more complexity. Take for example the alliance:

Oh, I see, thanks! Now I've got three questions about that alliance code:

1)You can't break alliance with someone with badboy lower than 1? So if someone is keeping his hands clean he may do whatever he wants and alliance won't break? Does it mean that allies would be forced into wars, or will they still be able to break that alliance by not answering call to arms?

2)No more than three alliances? No wars engulfing all of Europe in flames? Not sure what to make of this one, from one side it is nice, from the other — restriction that strict may hurt, for example, offensives(target is guaranteed by half the Europe, while those that wish to take it down can't gather in groups of more than four, like in communist regime)

3) It takes into consideration difference in sizes in both directions? So, say, Serbia would be reluctant to get alliance from Russian Empire? Though this one is not that much of a deal, -120 still can be outweighed by other factors.

[CanOmer]

Will messages disappear after a while (for example after 5 months)? In Eu3 messages stay until I click OK.

[Konstantinos XV]

Do you use any custom tools or edit files manually via the mighty notepad?

[gliomarto]

Do you use any custom tools or edit files manually via the mighty notepad?

Why use notepad when you've got emacs?

[yapxingguan]

can we rename countries like we can rename provinces?