The MGC3 Timeline
I have taken what I see to be the most important events and tried to put them into era’s so that this AAR make a little more sense. Interspersed are some analysis pieces from various players and mini-aars. There should be some pictures as well. I hope you enjoy it as much as we did/ are
THE GAME OPENS
Ulver- Spain (1492-1530)
Mowers- Portugal (1492-1530)
Jonicro- Poland (1492-1530)
Elisar- Austria (1492-1517)
Marttis- Austria (1517-1530)
PJL- Ottomans (1492-1530)
Enric- France (1492-1509)
Rex Mundi- France (1509-1530)
Harriman2- England (1492-1530)
Spain: Goals and strategy
Spain is the acknowledged superpower of Europa Universalis II. A 14-year-old newbi can conquer half the world in half a century unless everybody and their dog gangs up on him. I’ve seen it a dozen times: Spain takes over South and Central America, the trade centre in Manhattan and most of India by the mid sixteen century resulting in endless coalition wars where everybody and their dog do gang up on Spain. I firmly believe the only way to screw up with Spain is by overreaching and thus forcing everyone else to cooperate against her.
Now don’t get me wrong – I like playing the strongest, richest most powerful nation in the world. But I plan to be more like the United States then the Roman Empire in the way I go about it. The secret is to make the runners-up among the major powers feel a Strong Spain actually serves the interests. I’ll stay well clear of colonizing where others might reasonable feel I impinge on their sphere of influence. No Spaniards in Canada or India in this game. The second part of my strategy will be to act in the interest of preserving the Balance of Power, defending weaker players being bullied by stronger nations, helping AI nations getting ravaged, making sure the Netherlands gain their independence and generally acting like a benevolent superpower rather then the rabid aggressive expansionist Spain we all to often see. Hopefully this will prevent the traditional “beat up on Spain syndrome” that usually ends the golden age of Spain around 1650. Often an isolated far-flung colony is actually a liability rather then an Asset. I saw in a previous Mower game how a Russian Canada brought Russia into expensive conflicts with England and France, nations that would otherwise often be logical allies. As a rule Don Ulver tends to think of war as a necessary evil: To quota Tom Lehre “I’d rather kill them off by peaceful means”
Instead of martial glory my goal for Spain will be “a chicken in every pot and a manufactory in every village.”
April 22, 1492 : Austria joined the war on the same side as Hungary, Bohemia and Bavaria in their war against Wallachia.
May 18, 1492 : Poland declared war upon Mecklenburg.
May 29, 1492 : Naples declared war upon Papal States.
June 25, 1492 : France joined the war on the same side as Papal States, Savoy, Brittany and Lorraine in their war against Naples.
October 6, 1493 : France declared war upon Austria.
November 21, 1492 : Mecklenburg accepted peace with Poland on the following terms : Full Annexation of Mecklenburg by Poland
July 12, 1493 : Austria declared war upon Genoa.
July 12, 1493 : The Knights joined the war on the same side as Genoa, Tuscany and Modena in their war against Austria.
August 21, 1493 : The Holy Roman Empire has elected Maximilian I of Austria as emperor..
October 6, 1493 : France declared war upon Austria.
October 13, 1493 : Wurtemberg joined the war on the same side as Austria, Bohemia, Hungary and Bavaria in their war against France, Savoy, Papal States, Brittany and Lorraine.
April 2, 1494 : Austria accepted peace with France on the following terms : Artois to France & Franche Comté to France.
This is a standard 1492 move. Austria doesn’t have the power to see off France and doesn’t have the alliance to back him up effectively. Not only that but Venice can be very frisky at this time of the game and start wars which further destablise Austria’s borders; and then of course there is the Ottoman threat. Austria gets out of this war quickly and effectively and gets back on with the game without having mortgaged the future away. He may have lost but he has bought himself space which is critical.
I really think that Spain and Austria ought to be working very closely together against France at this stage. They have very common interests. I surprised that the opening Austro- Spanish move in any game is not to ally and present a common front. As you now will see France is able to defeat his three enemies in turn and take what he wants allowing him a free hand in Europe.
At the same time we have a ventian-Ottoman conflict in which the Ottomans take the Greek islands. This is a great move, he gets in there early before they become to heavily fortified and manages to get some bases in the Med. We didn’t have a venetian player and the Polish wasn’t really paying attention. It’s a common mistake to forget that you are selling your future by allowing other players to gobble up the AI. Intervene, threaten, blag, revoke treaties, place guarentees, go on big maneouvres up and down borders.- do something at least.
August 10, 1495 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Venice.
November 27, 1495 : Hungary declared war upon Venice.
December 1, 1495 : Austria joined the war on the same side as Hungary, Bohemia, Bavaria and Wurtemberg in their war against Venice.
August 9, 1497 : Milan declared war upon Venice.
August 14, 1497 : Spain joined the war on the same side as Milan in their war against Venice.
October 29, 1497 : France joined the war on the same side as Papal States, Savoy, Brittany and Lorraine in their war against Venice.
July 2, 1499 : Venice accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : Venice pays 100d in indemnities. Corfu to Ottoman Empire, Ionia to Ottoman Empire & Crete to Ottoman Empire.
January 2, 1500 : Milan went with Let the Habsburgs Inherit in The Inheritance of Milano.
February 13, 1500 : Austria went with Rule as part of Austria in The Habsburg Inheritance of Milano.
February 13, 1500 : Austria annexed Milan.
July 13, 1500 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Ak Koyunlu.
June 22, 1501 : Poland declared war upon Brandenburg.
June 25, 1501 : Lithuania joined the war on the same side as Poland in their war against Brandenburg, Hannover, Saxony and Eire.
October 20, 1501 : Spain declared war upon Maya.
January 1, 1502 : Austria declared war upon Poland.
I remember it because it was either a very daft or very clever risk the Austrian took. With multiple enemies Austria cant really afford to alienate Poland as well. I don’t see the strategic sense here apart from slowing a possible Polish expansion into Northern Germany
May 4, 1502 : Maya accepted peace with Spain on the following terms : Guatemala to Spain.
July 22, 1503 : Spain declared war upon Aztec Empire.
January 20, 1504 : Brandenburg accepted peace with Poland on the following terms : Küstrin to Poland.
April 8, 1504 : Ak Koyunlu accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : Ak Koyunlu pays 309d in indemnities. Azerbaijan to Ottoman Empire, Nuyssaybin to Ottoman Empire, Kurdistan to Ottoman Empire, Daghestan to Ottoman Empire & Armenia to Ottoman Empire
December 24, 1504 : Poland accepted peace with Hungary on the following terms : Galizien to Hungary.
December 26, 1504 : Ak Koyunlu accepted peace with Mameluks on the following terms : Ak Koyunlu pays 20d in indemnities. Kirkuk to Mameluks.Ak Koyunlu will have to give up military access.Ak Koyunlu has to change religion.
April 26, 1505 : Sweden declared war upon Teutonic Order.
July 20, 1505 : Naples declared war upon Papal States.
August 24, 1505 : France joined the war on the same side as Papal States, Savoy, Brittany and Lorraine in their war against Naples, England, Spain and Portugal.
September 25, 1505 : England accepted peace with France on the following terms : Return to Status Quo
Really not good. So much for my allies. Mowers, I’m disappointed in you! Things got worse as France consistently refused my peace offers including giving him the French culture province I held from the start even before a single shot was fired. Something close to panic broke out in the Spanish court as a cavalry army was mobilized and dispatched to lift a few sieges. This was a study in miscommunication as I thought France was planning nothing less then the complete destruction of Spain. What he really wanted was to plunder the capital for maps. Meanwhile the other Inter-player conflict ended.
This is interesting. I love wars like this, its what makes EU great. Players being dragged into a maelstrom that they cant prepare for. Obviously I bail out, Spain can hold his own and my army of 10K isnt really going to have an impact. I’ve already blown my initial cash and my islands are still unfortified, ready for the taking. I really don’t need this war. Spain is going to be able to hold up France and so is England- I hadnt actually noticed that they had signed peace already- mistake
April 18, 1506 : Poland accepted peace with Austria on the following terms : Poland pays 150d in indemnities. Mecklemburg to Austria.
May 24, 1506 : Poland went bankrupt!
Now this knocks Poland out as an effective power player. Rampant inflation. He also loses territory to hungary in a seperate peace later on. Austria has taken a real gamble and has got away with it. He has managed to stop Polish expansion into Northern Germany and financially weakened him. How Poland goes bankrupt I don’t know but he throws all away over 1 province. Now I don’t know the ins and outs of this but this was poor strategic play. If he was losing the war it would have been far better to accept Austrian dominance and back down. Far too often players fail to look forward.
Albeit it not without dire consequences After awhile it must have become clear to France that this – while likely to be an eventual French victory would not be cheap accepted a peace deal.
This is a good observation
July 4, 1506 : France accepted peace with Spain on the following terms : Spain pays 300d in indemnities. Roussillon to France.
Oddly enough he spurned it a few times costing him stability. I didn’t really mind losing Roussillon as it gave France a permanent Casus Belli. Anyway, hopefully this defeat will make Spain look less dangerous. See? It all fits nicely into my master plan!
France makes the mistake of allowing stability hits. Spain backs off and settles which isnt surprising as Austria has been engaged and his allies have been useless. England really shouldn’t have backed out of this conflict as it might have been a white peace all round in the end and slows down French expansion Eastwards that will eventually follow.
October 11, 1506 : Teutonic Order accepted peace with Sweden on the following terms : Full Annexation of Teutonic Order by Sweden
September 8, 1507 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Mameluks
March 10, 1509 : Spain declared war upon Maya
May 26, 1510 : Spain accepted peace with Maya on the following terms : Maya pays 109d in indemnities. Tehuacan to Spain & Campeche to Spain. against Kazan.
May 28, 1512 : Spain declared war upon Inca Empire.
June 30, 1513 : Spain accepted peace with Inca Empire on the following terms : Cajamarca to Spain, Huanuco to Spain, Guayaquil to Spain & Cali to Spain
I absolutely love those religious conversion peace deals, as they’ll mean the Treaty of Tortillas are going to apply and I can just cherry pick their provinces, including the capital, at my leisure. This incur several benefits, no BB for annexation, you get cash as well as the right to take whatever provinces you like, and you can take them at a leisurely pace meaning no faster then they can be converted. You also avoid the Gold inflation problem as you only add the Gold provinces as your general income increases.
September 3, 1514 : The Hedjaz accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : The Hedjaz pays 62d in indemnities. Arabia to Ottoman Empire, Medina to Ottoman Empire & Jordan to Ottoman Empire.
December 13, 1514 : Ottoman Empire accepted peace with Mameluks on the following terms : Nile to Ottoman Empire, Delta to Ottoman Empire, Aleppo to Ottoman Empire, Lebanon to Ottoman Empire, Samaria to Ottoman Empire, Syria to Ottoman Empire, Sinai to Ottoman Empire, Judea to Ottoman Empire & Quattara to Ottoman Empire.
February 16, 1517 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Hungary.
February 28, 1517 : Austria joined the war on the same side as Hungary, Bohemia and Bavaria in their war against Ottoman Empire.
Austria quite rightly moves in to protect its inheritance. The Ottomans have a few years to spare but they eventually get in there having knocked the Mameluks for 6. I think this conflict was ruined by a crash and a player change so its difficult to analyse effectively. I believe that the Ottomans, who attack in force, get the 3 provinces and back off.
October 17, 1517 : Poland declared war upon Brandenburg.
April 5, 1518 : Austria joined the war on the same side as Brandenburg in their war against Poland, Lithuania, Würzburg and Saxony
January 21, 1519 : Austria went with Let the Habsburg Empire be ruled from Vienna in The Spanish Wedding.
February 10, 1519 : Hungary accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : Hungary pays 45d in indemnities. Wallachia to Ottoman Empire, Transylvania to Ottoman Empire & Banat to Ottoman Empire.
April 13, 1520 : Savoy declared war upon Helvetia.
April 20, 1520 : France joined the war on the same side as Savoy, Papal States and Lorraine in their war against Helvetia, Cologne, The Palatinat, Navarra and Baden.§394mowers (Portugal) Jonicro (Poland)
June 14, 1521 : Brandenburg accepted peace with Saxony on the following terms : Brandenburg pays 37d in indemnities. Magdeburg to Saxony.Brandenburg will have to give up military access.
December 14, 1521 : Austria accepted peace with Poland on the following terms : Return to Status Quo.
May 26, 1522 : Spain declared war upon Inca Empire
September 3, 1522 : Brandenburg accepted peace with Poland on the following terms : Hinterpommern to Poland.Brandenburg will become a vassal.
February 18, 1523 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Mameluks.
June 19, 1523 : The Hedjaz accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : Full Annexation of The Hedjaz by Ottoman Empire
July 1, 1523 : The people of Mecklenburg declared independence from Austria.
July 28, 1523 : Spain accepted peace with Inca Empire on the following terms : Coquimbo to Spain, Atacama to Spain, Arica to Spain, Montana to Spain & Atalaya to Spain.
July 15, 1524 : Ottoman Empire accepted peace with Mameluks on the following terms : Mameluks pays 110d in indemnities. Cyrenaica to Ottoman Empire, Nubia to Ottoman Empire, Alexandria to Ottoman Empire, Kirkuk to Ottoman Empire & Cataract to Ottoman Empire.
Ottomans finish off the Mamelukes in good time.
What had I been doing as Portugal all this time? Well I had basically been playing an SP game in the background. I had taken over Brazil with little to no difficulty and got myself a chain of outposts all the way to India with a series of full colonies that had fortifications. Essentially building up Portugal for the long term. However, try as I might I could not get a colony going in India and after about 10 attempts I never managed to do it. This is of course stalled my efforts at expansion in the far east. My brazil set up was looking very good by the end, a series of strongly fortified colonies with numerous large scale trading posts around it and had turned the Tago COT into a powerhouse of about 450D with everyone trying to get in. My only concern coming with english and polish merchants trying to force me out of the COT. However, it turns out that England was on auto merchant and left me alone after I asked him to back off. Poland didn’t back off and I was just gearing up to ban him altogether when I had to switch countries. My designs for an invasion of vijansiers colonies in southern india never happened, I could never catch her and mysore apart and without a CB I was in trouble. I managed to get about 13k of men there but if I lost a single battle then I was going to be in trouble as I couldn’t reinforce without sending men all the way from Lisbon. So Portugese expansion in India was limited to trading posts sadly.
As for England? A very quiet game. He did nothing memorable at all other than build up quietly for the long term.
March 29, 1525 : Spain declared war upon Maya.
January 22, 1526 : Maya accepted peace with Spain on the following terms : Maya pays 153d in indemnities. Maya has to change religion.
PJL creates Siederbergn or something like in the balkans as a vassal which means I don’t get to inherit hungary. Instead Hungary becomes Siederbergn’s (sp) vassal, thus effectively becoming an Ottoman vassal. I am most unhappy and rather impressed that I have been conned so easily. A plan to get it back starts to emerge but the diplomatic complexities of it are confusing.
January 22, 1529 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Venice.
February 1, 1529 : Austria joined the war on the same side as Venice and Moldavia in their war against Ottoman Empire.
June 21, 1529 : Spain declared war upon Creek.
January 27, 1530 : Ottoman Empire accepted peace with Venice on the following terms : Ottoman Empire pays 11d in indemnities
I guess Austrian support made the difference
PJL has played some great moves, Venice, Mamelukes, Hungarian war and the Hungarian inheritance and here he screws up and I flatten him. He failed to check who venice was in an alliance with and launched a clever naval landing into venice whilst driving up the Adriatic coast. Within 2 months he had every region under seige. Which was roughly about when the ‘mystery ally’ emerges and destroys a good 70K of Ottoman armies. I have the upper hand and hope to drive into the balkans and reclaim siederbergn, thus releasing hungary. PJL quickly recovers from his early blunder and gets a very decent peace out me and Venice before I can take advance of my early victories
March 30, 1530 : Inca Empire accepted peace with Spain on the following terms : Inca Empire pays 392d in indemnities. Inca Empire has to change religion.
September 7, 1530 : Creek accepted peace with Spain on the following terms : Creek pays 444d in indemnities. Creek has to change religion