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I, HMAS-Nameless, the leader of the late Anarcho-Bolshevik National Liberation Movement, come to announce the intentions of the greater Left in response to the ignorance expressed by the Imperial-Central coalition.

The worldwide revolution is upon us, comrades. Proletarians and peasants everywhere are breaking free from the caste-iron chains of capitalistic Feudalism and are making their stand against the oppressive bourgeoisie. On the eve of the Third International, more and more nations have accepted Syndicalism.

And yet Germany drags her heels and protests against the inevitable. The so-called democratic parties have even taken steps to outlaw and hinder the law-abiding Socialist parties – such is the paranoia of change that has shaken them from their slovenliness. The administration would even choose to prop up the archaic Ottoman Empire – commonly known as “the sick man of Europe” – simply for the sake of spiting the Arab League, which has committed the terrible crime of adopting an ideology that the centrists and the conservatives disagree with. German – once at the forefront of change and modernisation – is swiftly becoming a relic of the past.

To the administration: you are not our colleagues; you are simply pebbles on the path to progress. Our comrades are the Bolsheviks in Russia, the Bolivianists in South America and the Sharkists in Australasia. While the conservatives bicker and squabble, we strive to redeem the centuries of desperate poverty thrust upon the lowest echelons of society. Although we disagree with your power-perpetuating system, we will continue to work within it – in spite of what delusional elements of your parties may claim – simply to prove that our ideology is so strong that it can prevail even with all the odds stacked against it. We have the popular mandate for power; we simply have to locate it, in the hearts and minds of the German people.

Now I come to say that no longer will the Socialist, Syndicalist and Bolshevik be divided. Instead, we shall be united in our common goal. Our brothers in the United German Socialist Alliance and I have been under negotiations, which we have recently concluded. As such, I announce the merger of the Anarcho-Bolshevik National Liberation Movement and the United German Socialist Alliance to form the People’s Popular Party.

Despite the temporary setback of the 1936 elections, the Left is far from defeated. Even when the PCP breaks bread with the Fascists purely to maintain its monopoly on power, the Left shall prevail. We will claw away – inch by inch, centimetre by centimetre – the hands that throttle the jugular of our nation. And, in the face of illicit adversity and petty obstruction, we shall prevail.

Ein Welt unter sozialismus!

Very important post for the future of the leftist parties! Time to update the parties index TRP! SO bascially in words this means the merging of the UGSA and ABNB as the People's Popular Party (PPP) and the dissolution of the former two. It is headed by me as Head of State and Syriana as Head of Government. All members of previous are automatically joining the new one :D
 
very important post there TRP! It is basically the announcment of the merging of the UGSA and ABNB into one party: The Popular People's Party! This also means the dissolution of both parties, refer to my ABNB policies section for our policies as I will be updating it for the new party.
 
GLORY to the REVOLUTION of the PEOPLE COMRADE!!
Tough, I don't think joining is such a good idea, election mechanic wise, UNLESS we find a suitable coalition partner.
 
Note that just because the party supports the new Syndicalist governments does not mean that people within that party support the WAY these parties came into power. Violence should have been used only as a last resort, and I believe that as these governments are democracies that hold free and fair elections, violence should not have been used. You can support a person's belief, but not how he seeks to implement them.
 
TRP -I see dissentfull times ahead if this is adopted (Especially if im the rouge politician :rofl:). But I wont oppose it if there is popular support.

mk11-

I think you dont cause anyone which is a memeber of any of the conservative parites and is halway active opposes it. Even in PCP im not the only one who opposes it. Just admit you made false promises in the elctions.

Benefit of all? So who's all here? I dont know how much you know about geopolitics, but the political situation in the 20th century favors BIG states with BIG territories. I don't know if you understand, but having more land = GOOD.

Like which spies lol? And the commander of the military is the Kaiser (In case you don't know who controls the military) which is responsible for the military (He is the supreme commander). The other ministers are Air, Land, Sea and armaments minister (HOI system). Which are more administrative positions than warplaning.

And again sounds for me you are coming from Communist China. What about discussing them with the opposition (Fascists and Socialists). And democracy is something public in 90% of matters.

You only need to answerer to me cause I got actual popular support with me unlike you do. You do have political support (People did vote for you party, no matter how much you lied in the elections). I never asked for direct democracy, but I asked for representative democracy. What we have here is dictatorial democracy.

Ya sure you have a secret cabinet :rolleyes:.

Well I currently only see you wanting to tear it down. As TRP stated Mittleafrika is self sustainable. It does provide us with free resources. I don't know what benefits the government wants to achieve by destoying it.

FlyingDutchie -Per how Mittleafrika works, it can be identified as a colonial company, which it is. In case you don't know British India was a colonial company, until it was not directly annexed to the British crown in 1858. And we cannot import resources cheaper from Ukraine as we do from Mittleafrika, cause Mittleafrika is giving those to us for FREE (you know what free is fright?). And we don't have to give any cash to sustain it. So whoever came up with the idea, should present a very very good reason for his preposition, or be relived of his position.
 

FlyingDutchie -Per how Mittleafrika works, it can be identified as a colonial company, which it is. In case you don't know British India was a colonial company, until it was not directly annexed to the British crown in 1858. And we cannot import resources cheaper from Ukraine as we do from Mittleafrika, cause Mittleafrika is giving those to us for FREE (you know what free is fright?). And we don't have to give any cash to sustain it. So whoever came up with the idea, should present a very very good reason for his preposition, or be relived of his position.


We are not getting goods for free. Recourses in Mittelafrika are extracted by private companies, who sell their goods to other private companies. The same goes for the procurement of recourses around the world. The advantage trading with nations like Ukraine is the short distance, meaning resources can be allocated a lot quicker, safer and cheaper than goods from any colony can reach us. Therefore there is no economic use whatsoever sustaining colonies, even if they can be self-sufficient.
Small historical note, I know both British India and The Dutch East Indies started out as Colonial Companies. Unfortunately both the EIC and the VOC went bankrupt and had to be bailed out by Britain and the Netherlands respectively. The only way to make a colony profitable is to break any human right possible, something we thought only men like Goering supported.
 
We are not getting goods for free. Recourses in Mittelafrika are extracted by private companies, who sell their goods to other private companies. The same goes for the procurement of recourses around the world. The advantage trading with nations like Ukraine is the short distance, meaning resources can be allocated a lot quicker, safer and cheaper than goods from any colony can reach us. Therefore there is no economic use whatsoever sustaining colonies, even if they can be self-sufficient.
Small historical note, I know both British India and The Dutch East Indies started out as Colonial Companies. Unfortunately both the EIC and the VOC went bankrupt and had to be bailed out by Britain and the Netherlands respectively. The only way to make a colony profitable is to break any human right possible, something we thought only men like Goering supported.

The British colonial company had financial problems because of the constant wars, whit which they tried to gain as much of India as possible and not because of bad management. And it was a VERY VERY profitable company.

And we are getting those goods for free, since the HOI 2 system works that way. And even if we put this on the real world level, Africa has resources which Ukraine doesnt. The only resources we gain from Ukraine are agricultural products. While from our African colonial company, we gain rubber, rare materials, precious materials, metal, exotic fruit... for a very cheap price, which we can then export on. We have the economic monopoly over that area, so we gain 100% profits and very little expenses.
 
Avatar Federal and Deutsche Reichspartei Platform have joined the coalition of GLORY!

;)

And thus, the plot thickens...

-Laurence
 
Election Reform
1) Coalitions may form before or after elections.

2a) The Reichstag shall be composed of 11 seats. For every 10% of the vote a party receives, that party gains a seat.
2b.) The remaining seats shall be divided according to the remaining percentages. (Ex: Parties A, B, C, D. A gets 50%, B gets 21%, C gets 19%, D gets 10%. Thus, A gets 5 seats, B 2, C 1, D1. The remaining percentages are A 50-5(10)=0%, B 21-2(10)=1%, C 19-1(10)=9%, D 10-1(10)=0%. Thus, C gets another seat, then B.

3) The winning party/coalition selects a chancellor, who in turn selects his cabinet.

4) Party seats are filled by non-minister party members UNLESS that party does not have enough active members to fill both its post and seat. In that case, the member may fill both post and party seat.

5) Parties shall hold intra-party elections to select which members they want as representatives in the Reichstag. Representatives can also be recalled and replaced through the same means.

Reichstag Reforms
All powers listed, and only these powers, are vested in the Reichstag.

1) The Reichstag may advise and comment on cabinet appointees.

2) Request, by 7/11 vote, that Internal Affairs conduct an investigation.

3a) Suggest legislation for consideration by simple majority(6/11). Cannot override government rejection.
3b.) Reject government decisions domestic by 7/11.

4a) Non-binding vote, by simple majority(6/11), on government foreign policy.
4b.) Advise the government on foreign policy by simple majority(6/11).

5) Ability to vote on declarations of war and peace terms by 7/11.
 
Here is my 10+1 system in comparison (I will probably be absent for the rest of the day, I will comment on it tomorrow. But do commnet on it. I will propose some changes to the system given so we might find a compromise):

1.First come the elections and formations of coalitions.

2.Votes, once cast, cannot be changed anymore.

3.Everyone has one vote (Not 2 votes, I think that would be fair and more realistic, but this is optional in case the public likes to vote for 2 parties that much lol, although that system favors the parties/coalitions whit more popular support which is in turn unfair).

4.Everyone which gets at least 10% of votes has a seat in the parliament guaranteed (For everything in between a neutral mediator will be used in order to solve problems, in the worst case the Judaical apparatus).

5.A party needs at least 3% of votes in order to even be able to participate in a coalition (That percentage could be increased to 5).

6.Once the elections are over, every party (Or coalition in this case, since there is only 10 seats) gets a certain number or representatives in the parliament. Note, that those representatives are not ministers.

7.The parliament (AKA the 10 representatives) elect a head of the government (AKA Chancellor). The chancellor must not be a parliament representative but must be a member of a party, every party which wants to get the position, proposes a candidate (Here parties can agree via PM to whom they will give a vote, so not necessarily the strongest party or coalitions wins).

8. Now who gets the rest of the ministerial positions and what is the role of the chancellor (What I will write now is how it is done in Germany, in the real world). The head of the state is at all time the Kaiser (I think Kaiser Muffin holds that position), until someone succeeds to change the constitution, if it should ever come to it. The other ministers (8 people) are proposed by the parties to the Chancellor which then chooses them. Now to keep this balanced, in order to get a minister, the party/coalition must have something near 12,5% of votes to have a minister guaranteed. The party can ask for a specific position, but the final decision lies with the chancellor (So the party the chancellor comes from has an advantage here. You can also agree once you vote, that I will vote for your candidate if I my party gets that minister position). In case there is a problem a mediator will be used.

9. The ministers may propose laws or decisions, which have to be voted on by the Parliament representatives (Those also vote on decisions considering the Reich, like go to war or not and similar). A minister may propose a law or decision which is connected to his position (The minister of the Army cant propose something on the navy, while the staff minister can, since he controls all of the three military branches). In comparison to ministers, individuals (Which is everyone else except for ministers) can also propose laws and decisions, but those have to be supported by a number of people, before the Parliament even may or has to vote on them.

Per that system we can get the maximal possible democracy, with the maximal number of people being involved and interacting within this AAR.
 
We are suffering terrible plague, the plague of liberal ideas about ''decolonisation''! I'm terrified to see that many German patriots support those crazy ideas. Mittelafrika is not colony, it is pro-German semi-independent state, just like United Baltic Duchy and Flanders-Wallonia. German colonies are Morroco, Yemen, Vietnam, Singapore, Malasya, Pacific islands... those lands are under direct control of Berlin. Mittelafrika is not a colony. If we disband Mittelafrika, maybe we should give away United Baltic Duchy and Flanders-Wallonia too?

So called ''decolonisation'' is pushing Germany into destruction. I would support giving unstable AlgOstAsien GmBh to Qing to get strong ally in Asia, but giving away Mittelafrika is madness!

Just look at the possible consequences of so called ''decolonisation''. Is this what German Empire needs?


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3.Everyone has one vote (Not 2 votes, I think that would be fair and more realistic, but this is optional in case the public likes to vote for 2 parties that much lol, although that system favors the parties/coalitions whit more popular support which is in turn unfair).

Isn't that the point of democracy?

This new plan is just going to lead to problems, but if we're going to adopt it, abolish "2 votes". The "2 votes" clause only make sense to bolster the power of "small parties" and coalitions, but is better suited for the old system.

Due to the "10%=1 seat" clause, small parties are done for and coalitions are likely threatened. Better to get rid of such a relic.
 
To Delex.

Voting on each individual minister would be time consuming and might even invite personnal attacks (which are illegal and might get this AAR closed) on a candidate minister in order to stop his appointment. I feel the system where the winning coalition forms the government is more fair and closer to reality. Coalitions always are free to appoint their own ministers in an AAR.

Also, C_c's plan will give the Reichstag a considerable, if not complete say, in all affairs. The Reichtag even gets the right to propose laws, on which the ministers need to react (rogue politician event). Yet it also keeps the game managable, with ministers being able to do what they are elected for, take quick decisions in case of an emergency.

The Delex proposition will turn the current government in a Lame Duck Presidency, with Reichtag and government each simply vetoing eachother, nothing happening and Germany and the world falling to ruin.

I hope you are willing to address these points in your plan. For discussions sake, what do you dislike in C_c's proposal?
 
Is it only me or has the trial of göring been pushed aside in favour of a massive discussion over decolonisation?

@Görings trial: In my eyes Göring is guilty of treason. He as a Hero of War should know the best what the consequences of disobeying his superior are. (His superiors being the Kaiser and the_great_chairman through the powers vested into him by the Kaiser and the german people.
He should face execution (I know that this decision is not up to me, I want a fair trial to be held as well) because the average german citizen as well as the rest of the world needs to know that Germany is upholding justice and does not treat famous people differently.

@Stormbringer: Do I understand correctly that you want to create a tariff-free economic bloc with the Eastern European countries and give them the possibility to increase their industrialization efforts? Sounds good to me.
 
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@sheep-dodger, that is pretty much what I want to do, at least temporarily. Foreign affairs people will decide on the nature of the permanent agreement. Granted, this requires Germany to give up some things, so it is sort of controversial, but thankfully nobody seems to understand economics so I pretty much do whatever I want. :p
 
Is*it*only*me*or*has*the*trial*of*göring*been*push ed*aside*in*favour*of*a*massive*discussion*over*de colonisation?

Göring is one man, but decolonization affect the lives of millions. But, since you point it out, well...

@Goring's Trial: Goring should be imprisoned for life for his oppression, not his treason. As Alex pointed out, Goring is not technically commiting treason:

"The few obligations that the Freistaat has towards Germany are delivery of a monthly tribute (in money and valuable resources), handling of military control if the German interests need it, and faithfulness to the Kaiser."

He swore loyalty to the Kaiser, not the Chancellor. He got out of treason because of a loophole. We shouldn't glorify people using loopholes for being patriotic. We should close them.

We can all agree though that Göring is a bad person:

"The country's native population has faced terrible opression under this man who ruled Mittelafrika like his own little empire, exploiting the labourers for his own profit. In violation of every colonial rule ever written, Goering has decisively acted against and lied to the Motherland for years, conceiling his intolerable actions in Mittelafrika."

"....he began to rule as some sort of eccentric warlord, beginning the build of a Bavarian-style castle in Togoland or organizing private safaris in the savannah, for him or prestigious visitors."

"Many police reports affirmed that under Göring's rule, most of Mittelafrika's budget was lost into corruption or drug and arms trafficking."

Even before this "...aggressive policies towards the Estonian and Latvian native populations. Along with other war veterans, he became engaged in local politics and even assaults against remote Native places, such as attacks against isolated farms. The scandal blew out in 1929, then Göring was wounded during a gunfight near a Latvian village in western United Baltic Duchy."

And most importantly, Göring resisted arrest.

Thus, he deserves severe punishment. The Imperial Center, there is a punishment worse than execution. It's ignobility, humiliation, and not being executed as a patriotic "hero" but dying as a common criminal in a common prison. The government must implement that punishment.
 
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@sheep-dodger, that is pretty much what I want to do, at least temporarily. Foreign affairs people will decide on the nature of the permanent agreement. Granted, this requires Germany to give up some things, so it is sort of controversial, but thankfully nobody seems to understand economics so I pretty much do whatever I want. :p
Hehe I see you have the right position :D

@Goring's Trial: Goring should be imprisoned for life for his oppression, not his treason. As Alex pointed out, Goring is not technically commiting treason:
He swore loyalty to the Kaiser, not the Chancellor. He got out of treason because of a loophole. We shouldn't glorify people using loopholes for being patriotic. We should close them.
We can all agree though that Göring is a bad person:
And most importantly, Göring resisted arrest.
Thus, he deserves severe punishment. The Imperial Center, there is a punishment worse than death. It's ignobility, humiliation, and not being executed as a patriotic "hero" but dying as a common criminal in a common prison. The government must implement that punishment.

I can see your point, yet I would say that treason is the right charge, since his vow to the Kaiser also extends to the persons appointed by the Kaiser (They would be removed from office if they weren't working according to the Kaisers wishes). In my understanding him lying to the motherland, and through this to the Kaiser, as well as resisting arrest would be sufficient to charge him with treason. Lifelong imprisonment would be acceptable as well, but death sentence would be preferable should the judge rule this way.
 
I can see your point, yet I would say that treason is the right charge, since his vow to the Kaiser also extends to the persons appointed by the Kaiser (They would be removed from office if they weren't working according to the Kaisers wishes). In my understanding him lying to the motherland, and through this to the Kaiser, as well as resisting arrest would be sufficient to charge him with treason. Lifelong imprisonment would be acceptable as well, but death sentence would be preferable should the judge rule this way.

As much as I would like to agree with you on the issue of treason, well...

The Freistaat Mittelafrika is officially dubbed as an "autonomous colonial free state under authority of the German Empire", meaning that if it's officially still part of the German colonial empire, under the Kaiser Wilhelm II's nominal authority, but it is considered as a semi-autonomous entity.

It isn't under both Kaiser Willaim II's nominal authority, and that of the Chancellor. Göring swore loyalty only to the Kaiser, and not to the Chancellor. I suspect that Göring did all his crimes under the impression that he could always use that loophole to get away.

Still, I do sympathize with the doctrine of the Chancellor representing the Kasier, but I don't feel that is what is legally the case.
 
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