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    It will cost us a voter, ofcourse we object...

    More seriously, if Kaisermuffin really wants to do this, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRP View Post
    So that would we: "Kaiser Muffin I, Emperor of Germany"

    It's fine by us, but do remember that all political bonds have to be severed, you will have to remain completely politically neutral.
    Like me...

    So all you can do is roleplay as some powerless leader, are you willing to take this honorable position?

    And everyone, are there any real objections?



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    My second act as Kaiser. I name Hax duke of Schleswig Holstein!

    My first act as Kaiser. I dance with appropriate royal decorum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiserMuffin View Post
    My second act as Kaiser. I name Hax duke of Schleswig Holstein!

    My first act as Kaiser. I dance with appropriate royal decorum.
    Hmm, hmm very good propose! BUT NO!
    I will only accept you if you give these ranks to me:
    Chief of Army and duke of Bayern!
    Or I will not accept you!

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    Hmm. I can do The Palatinate and let you marry Charlotte of Luxembourg... but I'm not incharge of Government Postings.
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    Do not forget your former party .
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    scratch what was here before, i'll keep the position
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingDutchie View Post
    Do not forget your former party .
    I didn't think you liberals flew for titles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Have you guys ever considered that the Leftists were being funded by the Internationale without the Leftists even knowing? It's a possiblity. Maybe the Internationale hate our guts for our compromising positions and support for the democratic order, but want a casus belli that doesn't involve them claiming German territory. So they fund The Left, in the hopes that reactionaries would find out and suppress the German Syndies, giving the French Syndies the chance to intervene.
    It's possible, but that's why it's an investigation. If those funds were rejected, then I applaud the Leftists for their firm moral stance in rejecting foreign interference. TRPs wording has led me to believe that such funding was accepted. As of now, it appears that the incident involved Leftist party higher ups, and not the majority of those parties.

    That is why I put out a request to the Left to help in investigation by offering any tips and information they have, as well as policing their own parties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Further, while Syriana may have been in favor of territoral compromise, he does not speak for all Leftists. I for one will not support handing over an inch of German territory.
    Very good. I am happy that not all Leftists follow a plan of violent confrontation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Furthermore, Syriana himself is know for his rhetorical flip-flopping. For example, I asked about the ABNB and The Weltreich's policies towards French territorial claims. Syriana said this before the election

    Now Syriana advocates handing over German territory, after the election. But before, the UGSA implied that the MERE presence of a Syndicalist government was enough to keep France happy and get them to stop their claims on German territory. It's clear now that Syriana was attempting to pull a fast one over me, and by extension, the Left. If Syriana had revealed his true beliefs on our territory, I would not have voted for the UGSA. It is possible other Leftists would agree. So, don't ever think that the German left will let France take our territory, and don't let Syriana speak for us.
    Yes. It's sad how some Leftists accuse others of hoodwinkery, but pull it themselves the first chance they get. Please, rest assure that I do not 'assign' one person as a representative for an ideological bloc. Hopefully, this investigation can separate the legitimate, German Leftists from the Internationale impostors that dirty them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    And why do you automatically assume these governments are democratic? What if they rig elections, or engage in "oppression", perhaps the very same security measures that you've been considering? Of course, there are many wrongs that the Internationale has done, no question about that. But there may have been some "justified" rebellions too. We can't just tar all rebellions in one brush as being "evil".
    Violent revolution is not an acceptable answer. Not now, not ever.

    Russia: Legitimate democratic government.
    Brazil: Legitimate democratic government.
    Australasia: Information here is scare. There are conflicting reports from the Syndicalists and the Entente on the events that happened.
    Persia: Legitimate, modernizing government.
    Greece: Legitimate government.
    Egypt: Legitimate government.
    Netherlands: Legitimate democratic government.

    There isn't any evidence that any of them were engaged in repressive, totalitarian practices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Funded is not the same as involvement. It is possible the Internationale may have merely sought to fund our organizations merely as a way to undermine them in the eyes of Germany.
    This is something that the investigation will determine. Hopefully these foreign nationals will be separated from the Left. I want to make sure that the Left is not viewed as an Internationale tool. I wholeheartedly believe that the 'regular' German will be vindicated, and their parties will continue anew in peaceful, constructive dialogue as opposed to the confrontational, revolutionary yelling seen in the election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    The way to deal with this issue is to have all members of The Left refuse to accept foreign funding, but it is fair that other parties should have to accept the same conditions.
    No other party should accept any foreign funding. If they do, that money should be turned down, and the incidence reported to the government. Germany's democratic process must remain free from outside influence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    And what happened after the 1936 election? Where's all the violence and terrorism in Germany? Remember, there was a chance for the Left to wage and sponsor an revolution within Germany. Instead, there were revolutions everywhere BUT Germany. Maybe there is an exception to our movement, as our leftist parties are not connected to radicalism.
    Indeed. And I hope that this remains the case. Everyone must remain vigilant in the face of a hostile world.



    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    The Haxists however do a history of violence, look at their actual profile of their party:

    "The National-Climate Radicals are mostly known for their continued spree of terror bombing against what they see as 'evil corporate pollution conservative communazi entreprises of DOOM!'. Aside from that, the NCRP pushes for a radical conservative-liberal agenade with a heavy emphasis on nationalism and militarism, because, and I quote party leader Hax 'Germany is the gretezt ntion in the wurlds n we should liek kill all them inferiooors lololololol!'"


    And yet, no restriction or monitoring, even when the NCRP committed actual terror attacks?
    (I need to talk to TRP about that. A party that actively sponsors and admits that it engages in terrorism shouldn't be allowed in a democratic election. There is something inherently, terribly wrong with that. Once I get a reply back, as he is the gamemaster, I will type up an appropriate reply.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    You've been repeating the refrain that just because the Internationale funded the Left, the Left must be controlled by the Internationale, when the reality may not be the case. I suppose you need to drive the point home though.
    I hope that that reality is not the case. As of the moment, I believe that the arrangement was between the Internationale and the top members of the Left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Maybe, but let's see if the investigation can be non-partisan. Invite some moderate Syndicalists on board too, so the radical Syndicalists don't accuse the investigation of being a "witch hunt".
    Very good suggestion. I would happy to give the Left a chance to show that the majority are not engaged in backroom dealings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Servant View Post
    Also, looking back at the Cabinet, it seems that only one member is proposing a Loyalty Oath (yourworstnightmare), and luckily, nobody is accepting them, so I revoke the No Confidence Vote. My bad. Sorry for the accusations C_c.
    That's fine. ^.^ As long as things are put forth in a polite manner, no harm done.

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    I can wait for the update hoping that the intervention of the Netherlands will take soon enough, we have to make a point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_c View Post
    (I need to talk to TRP about that. A party that actively sponsors and admits that it engages in terrorism shouldn't be allowed in a democratic election. There is something inherently, terribly wrong with that. Once I get a reply back, as he is the gamemaster, I will type up an appropriate reply.)
    TRP added that for LoLz. Hax had no idea but when he found out, he didn't oppose. At least that's what I deduced from the comments.
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    While I, a humble servant, today address the working class in this radio broadcast, I, in addition, indirectly address the ruling class in the Reichstag. I deliver a message of great importance...to both them and you.



    While we may not approve the means by which the Bolsheviks gained power, we do support regimes of social justice everywhere. But the Soviet Union is not a regime of social justice. Instead, it has made territorial claims on German territory, and is planning, even now, to take land that is currently being settled by the German working class. It is an aggressive, revanchist regime, ruled by a greedy and murderous gangster, hardly fit to be called "Bolshevik".

    We are also shocked at how the Soviet Union quickly was able to suppress dissent to its rule. The Russian Civil War showcased a weak and incompetent Bolshevik army, but now, the Bolsheviks can easily control all of Russia within a matter of days! This was not a spontaneous outburst of resistance. This was a well-calculated military coup. This suggest that the Bolsheviks are not as they claim to be. It seemed that they were organized in some "neutral" country where they could drill and plan in secret, and then transported from said country over to Russia. Germany, with its close proximity to Russia and access to superior weaponry and military training, is a natural place for the revolutionaries to gather.

    Therefore, with the help of other concerned citizens, I was able to have conducted a successful String Pull. The String Pull was this: Launch a covert investigation to find out who was responsible for the previous String Pull, find out who funded, supplied, and taught the Bolsheviks.

    It was extremists within both the Haxists and the DNVP, who, independently of each other, launched Operation Red Storm Rising to create a Bolshevik government within Russia.



    The PKDP-4 Blyskawica ("Lightning Storm"), specially manufactured in Polish factories. These factories were owned and operated by businessmen who have also supplied campaign donations to the DNVP. These factories were producing these guns even before the 1936 election, but they were then supplied to the Bolsheviks after the results of the 1936 election was clear.



    Bolshevik armed forces posing for a picture during a military training exercise, that was conducted and hosted by Haxists. During these excerises, the Bolsheviks learned how to operate an effective paramilitary force. These training exercises culminated in a wargame held right before the October Revolution.

    We are still conducting the investigation to find the roots of this conspiracy, to determine if the Haxists-DNVP were responsible for the Syndicalist revolutions in South America, and to accumulate even more evidence to conclusively prove their guilt. Perhaps Operation Red Storm Rising was done with the explicit backing of their leadership, or maybe it is 'only' the extremists within their ranks. What is clear is that the reasons used by the DNVP's and Haxists to support for the Bolsheviks, determined via the String Pull investigation.

    The Haxists, smarting after their defeat in 1936, wanted an election issue that would force a crisis. The Coalition of Glory (with Haxists and Alexists) are best known for their extreme anti-Syndicalist rhetoric, so by manufacturing a "Red Storm" threat, the population of Germany would be scared stiff. The Haxists would then credibly claim that the Center was not doing enough to roll back Syndicalism, and thus earn the support of non-aligned voters, propelling the Coalition of Glory into power. Had the German population not given into fear, then the Haxists would then sponsor new revolutions, even up to and including forming localized Syndicates within the Rhineland. They bet that eventually, the German population would given in and give the Coalition of Glory power. They did not bet on the German population finding out before then.

    The DNVP, on the other hand, are already in power. But they want to outlaw Syndicalism, or at least heavily restrict their operation. The DNVP, as you well know, is a party that wants to outlaw socialism entirely; understanding our suprising performance in 1936, they would not want to risk socialism coming into power in 1938. The DNVP wants some sort of guarantee that Germany would keep its right-wing international and domestic policies. A new rise of Syndicalist revolutions would satisfy their goals quite nicely. The revolutions has led to increased scrutiny over Syndicalist groups, and a new fear of socialism helps to protect against a Socialist victory in 1938.

    In addition, the DNVP, once gaining power, wants to stay in power as long as possible. Manufacturing a crisis out of thin air, and then heroically going in to "fix" said crisis, is a great way of pulling it off. The DNVP would tolerate a socialist Soviet Union, because they could easily overthrow it with another String Pull, when the time is right and when the DNVP want an easy electoral triumph.

    We are all now paying for the October Revolution that was sponsored by the DNVP and the Haxists. Because of purely political calcuations, the DNVP and the Haxists has created a revanchist dictatorship, and possibly set us on the course to a renewed conflict against Russia.

    I call upon the German Reichstag to act now on this investigation. If the German government want to launch its own investigation, be my guest, and that is their right, but you'll only find the same culprits that we found. We urge the German government to take strong steps to ensure that Germany won't again be used as a place to sponsor Syndicalist revolutions.

    I call on the German Working Class, to reject the Bolshevik government in its entirety. They have sold themselves out to the DNVP and the Haxists, and they are willing to put revanchist demands over that of the fate of the working class. The French Syndicate may hold territorial claims on our land, but I'm sure that they did not receive any covert aid from imperialists that overtly call for their destruction.

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    If this is true the Gloryists are done for.

    Seriously guys? This is looow.
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    Servant how can you speak so much bullshit of me?
    BE ASHAMED!
    I have never liked the commies! And you think would give military power to SU?!
    THIS IS MADNESS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    KaiserMuffin so what ranks do I have?
    Duke of Schleswig Holstein, Count of The Palatinate.
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    Wow, Servant, I am truly impressed.

    Your investigation is both interesting and amusing, and should receive an award on it's own, for it is the most nonsensical thing I have read for the past 6 says.

    I applaud you, Servant, for your faint attempt at manipulating the mass, if only realpolitik had more members like you.

    Carry on,

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRP View Post
    Wow, Servant, I am truly impressed.

    Your investigation is both interesting and amusing, and should receive an award on it's own, for it is the most nonsensical thing I have read for the past 6 says.

    I applaud you, Servant, for your faint attempt at manipulating the mass, if only realpolitik had more members like you.

    Carry on,

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_chairman View Post
    What...the...fuck...

    TRP, is this true, a Bolshevik plot, or a poor joke?
    I second this motion. I like TRP to acknowledge the fact that this is information is to be trusted before discussing a course of action.

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    Gentlemen of the Reichstag, I stand before you to question the reports made by one “servant” in regards to the Radikal Klimaten Partie made earlier today. Firstly we must consider this “servant’s” political affiliation. He is a member of the ANARCHO-BOLSHEVIST PARTY! He has much to gain by dividing the right, as it is the primary dominant portion of the government! The only way the leftists and the Bolsheviks will take power is to split the right! Thus by saying that the Anarcho-Bolshevik movement doesn’t support the Bolsheviks in Russia is HIGHLY suspect. As Critic of Internal Affairs I hereby call the Government to make a full inquiry into the claims made, and for more restrictions to be put onto the Bolsheviks, who try to eliminate German GLORY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_chairman View Post
    So it's nonsense then?
    TRP spilt the beans OOCly, so yes, it is nonsense.

    I killed all credibility I ever had in realpolitik, so it looks like I'm done here.

    Your investigation is both interesting and amusing, and should receive an award on it's own, for it is the most nonsensical thing I have read for the past 6 says.
    ...Only 6?

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