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Hannibal, we try to advocate for the peaceful acceptance of Austria into Greater Germany and the coexistence of Germany with Syndicalism so long as they respect our rightful claims to Greater Germany. If not, they will ultimately be at fault for what occurs.
 
Syriana said:
So you claim, in your obviously subjective opinion.
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Who is the person lacing every post they make with partisan words? You.

Syriana said:
So all those pages of debate and discussion were just me sticking my fingers in my ears and spouting out ad hominem attacks, as opposed to the propaganda policies of the other parties - namely, copy-pasting the same images and slogans over and over again?
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If you want, I will go back and take every back and forth argument we've had as proof.

Syriana said:
How about you soothe your wounded ego and put aside your vendetta, unless you want to further divide the anti-Imperial Coalition vote?
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Remember where you claimed I had a subjective opinion? Yeah, about that... Vendetta? Wounded ego? Really?
 
mk11 said:
Hannibal, we try to advocate for the peaceful acceptance of Austria into Greater Germany and the coexistence of Germany with Syndicalism so long as they respect our rightful claims to Greater Germany. If not, they will ultimately be at fault for what occurs.
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great! at least one democrat party is willing to cooperate with socialism. Thank you! not like the rest who are so stuck up they automatically put it down because its a threat.
 
KaiserMuffin said:
I never accused you personally, but it's a well known fact that syndicalist nations conducted purges of the intelligentsia and professional persons to root out those with 'subversive rightist views'.
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Regardless of whether that is true or not, it is still wholly irrelevant to the criticisms I have raised.

If someone claims you have committed murder, and this person happened to have murdered someone in the past, how does this fact discredit his claim?

C_c said:
Who is the person lacing every post they make with partisan words? You.
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Partisan words? In a political debate?

Surely not!

C_c said:
If you want, I will go back and take every back and forth argument we've had as proof.
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Funnily enough, debates are not linear progressions from A to B; they are two-sided conversations, and naturally, both parties are not always going to agree on every point and thus there may be further extensive discussion.

C_c said:
Remember where you claimed I had a subjective opinion? Yeah, about that... Vendetta? Wounded ego? Really?
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Let's see, shall we:

I agreed with your point, prompting you to launch a tirade against my party and bring up further criticisms of my conduct.

Honestly, your inability to overcome a perceived personal slight is damaging your own cause.
 
after doing the calculations, a joint empire has over 319 IC!!! This is strong enough to combat CNT-FAI, Republic of the Sillies, France and britan!!! A vote for NUP is a vote for a stronger germany :D
 
Syriana said:
Partisan words? In a political debate?

Surely not!
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Syriana said:
How about you soothe your wounded ego and put aside your vendetta, unless you want to further divide the anti-Imperial Coalition vote?
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It's different when you whine about other people doing it, but then you do it yourself. Hypocrite. What do the two posts have?

[x] Syrianna accusing other people of having a vendetta.
[x] Syrianna accusing other people of being partisan.
[x] Sryianna having a vendetta.
[x] Syrianna practicing partisan politics.

Syriana said:
Funnily enough, debates are not linear progressions from A to B; they are two-sided conversations, and naturally, both parties are not always going to agree on every point and thus there may be further extensive discussion.
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There's a difference between agreeing to disagree and accusing the opposing party of being exploitative in the strongest words you can muster. You're trying to make it sound much less bitter than you made it, because you were interjecting every conceivable inflammatory word you could find. Remember where I said you were ignoring what other people said and twisting meanings? Yeah, here it is again.


Syriana said:
Let's see, shall we:

I agreed with your point, prompting you to launch a tirade against my party and bring up further criticisms of my conduct.
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Remember when you threw a tantrum when I pointed out how you were a member of UGSA and ABNB, holding a position in both parties? You were screaming something about me being defamatory and using bad information?

Well, guess who's being defamatory and outright lieing? You. Your party platform is a derisive as possible. Your first post was an attack on the Centrists (here). Later on in that page, you started off into a full attack on the democratic and democratic leaning parties.

And here.

So guess what? You launched your tirade long before I started exposing your double standards and faulty logic.

Syriana said:
Honestly, your inability to overcome a perceived personal slight is damaging your own cause.
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This isn't about a 'perceived' slight. This is about you being outright dishonest and being needlessly partisan.
 
Syriana said:
Regardless of whether that is true or not, it is still wholly irrelevant to the criticisms I have raised.

If someone claims you have committed murder, and this person happened to have murdered someone in the past, how does this fact discredit his claim?
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I believe it's called moral character, something you Bolsheviks have a complete and utter lack of.

Yes, we have incorporated the DNVP into the Imperial-Center Coalition, even though our views do not always align. Why? The same reason the PCP and LCP originally formed our coalition. Democracy depends on a wide range of views. The DNVP and NUP are rightist, the PCP is center-right, and the LCP is center-left. If there were somewhat reasonable parties on the left similar to the DNVP and NUP, we would invite them into our coalition as well. Unfortunately, the only two left parties are as insane as the Alexists and the Haxists.
 
Syriana- Yes, you are correct, good sir, that Bismarck persecuted Catholics. I apologize for erroneously omitting that tidbit; yet another strike against DNVP, I suppose.

Mk- Yes, Anschluss would be a beautiful occurence if done peacefully, but in my opinion, the Habsburgs would be too proud and think themselves too powerful to assimilate into Deutschland peacefully.

All-

These personal attacks are not necessary gentlemen. Shall we invoke the memories of Sumner and Brooks or Clay and Webster. Let the strength of the argument decide, not the acidity of the attack. Let Germans show they are civil and argue peacefully.
 
Hannibal X said:
Lets Germany be Conservative in politics and war, and center-liberal/socialist in social matters, for too much of either side will not help Deutschland at all.
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If that is the case, then why not explore the concept of a Syndicalist Monarchy, and thereby show the Internationale that we are indeed serious about being progressive (and at the same time, deprive them of a casus belli of "exporting the revolution")? I'm willing to be pragmatic enough to accept such a compromise, especially if it would mean keeping this country fairly united against the Far Right.
 
I have reexamined the synopsis pages for all the parties, and in both Socialist pages, the overthrow of the Kaiser is advocated. In addition, a Syndicalist monarchy brings unwanted ties to the hated French and perfidious Albion. I have an idea for a party, but since the limit was reached, I dare not pose my ideas. Not to mention, I've never touched Hoi2, so, if President (unlikely) I'd be unable to dictate suggestions to the kind folks at TRP. We'd need a new leader.
 
HMAS-Nameless said:
great! at least one democrat party is willing to cooperate with socialism. Thank you! not like the rest who are so stuck up they automatically put it down because its a threat.
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- I believe you misinterpret my statement. Coexistence does not necessarily mean cooperation, merely that if our interests coincide, such as for suffrage for all people of German origin, regardless of gender, we will not place ideology ahead of a benefit to Germany or its people. Remember though, we do not endorse any particular aspect of syndicalism (and as noted, look upon the claims of the Commune on Alsace-Lorraine warily), and treat the allegations of international funding of the German leftist parties with concern as parties true to Germany would not accept influence from outside sources.

Hannibal X said:
Mk- Yes, Anschluss would be a beautiful occurence if done peacefully, but in my opinion, the Habsburgs would be too proud and think themselves too powerful to assimilate into Deutschland peacefully.
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- Pride or not, they will join Germany.
 
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great_chairman said:
I believe it's called moral character, something you Bolsheviks have a complete and utter lack of.

Yes, we have incorporated the DNVP into the Imperial-Center Coalition, even though our views do not always align. Why? The same reason the PCP and LCP originally formed our coalition. Democracy depends on a wide range of views. The DNVP and NUP are rightist, the PCP is center-right, and the LCP is center-left. If there were somewhat reasonable parties on the left similar to the DNVP and NUP, we would invite them into our coalition as well. Unfortunately, the only two left parties are as insane as the Alexists and the Haxists.
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I think you are forgetting about the GLM which are not as extreme as the Syndies and are supporting democracy as well.
 
Alexus said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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I think we need to establish a rule to keep you out, to stop you from spreading total anarchy! to Realpolitik :D.

Hannibal X said:
I have an idea for a party, but since the limit was reached, I dare not pose my ideas. Not to mention, I've never touched Hoi2, so, if President (unlikely) I'd be unable to dictate suggestions to the kind folks at TRP. We'd need a new leader.
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As we have said before, with the merging and dissoultion of some parties we're back at a reasonable number, so after the elections we'll reopen and allow 3-4 new parties in. Personally, I too think the NUP and DNVP should merge, they could be a strong smaller faction and have very similar views

Oh, and to the newcomer independent voters:

Please use the center 4pt bold layout when voting! This makes it easier for us to spot the votes and if you don't use it, we might miss some votes​

And a small reminder to everyone that it's a good idea to clean up those abstained votes, remember that they'll go to the largest party (or second largest if you already voted for the largest) in the endcount.


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And one last thing:

Official vote: Who wants to end the elections 12:00 PM GMT+1 tomorrow evening instead of the day after?

This means the results will be posted around midday-evening tomorrow. Me and Laurence agree to shortening the time since voting seems to be cooling down, but first we want to know if the majority of the players is pro the idea.

-Vincent
 
I think that we should close the elections as soon as possible! This means what you propose, tommorrow already! You have my vote.

How exactly does it work with the 2nd vote?
Example:

I vote for PCP (currently the largest party) and I have reserved my second vote.
Therefore, my second vote goes to the second largest party (as I cannot vote twice the same party) which is LCP. Is this right?

Tim
 
Timmie0307 said:
I think that we should close the elections as soon as possible! This means what you propose, tommorrow already! You have my vote.

How exactly does it work with the 2nd vote?
Example:

I vote for PCP (currently the largest party) and I have reserved my second vote.
Therefore, my second vote goes to the second largest party (as I cannot vote twice the same party) which is LCP. Is this right?

Tim
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Exactly. Since you can't vote twice for the same party, you default to the second largest party when abstaining.

Also, we might have a good solution for the government communication thing: After the elections, we (TRP) are going to open a private usergroup called 'Realpolitik current government' in which we will invite all members of the government. The Chancellor-Elect will have to provide us with a list of who should be in this group.

Now, back to my economy study
Cheers
 
mk11 said:
- I believe you misinterpret my statement. Coexistence does not necessarily mean cooperation, merely that if our interests coincide, such as for suffrage for all people of German origin, regardless of gender, we will not place ideology ahead of a benefit to Germany or its people. Remember though, we do not endorse any particular aspect of syndicalism (and as noted, look upon the claims of the Commune on Alsace-Lorraine warily), and treat the allegations of international funding of the German leftist parties with concern as parties true to Germany would not accept influence from outside sources.



- Pride or not, they will join Germany.
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You have got your point across, i merely ment that it was great for once a non-syndicalist party did not content itself on the stupid idea of destroying socialism :D

Anyways
 
Oh yeah, remember that the TRP readers group (well, actually the Channel Pact Readers Group, we want to change the name but we can't) can also be used for your campaigning in Realpolitik, since it's a TRP group.

Off aswell,
Laurence
 
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