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I'll borrow your line again: wanton strawman argument.
I'll repeat what I said before: that phrase does not work in this context.

That's not the point I made, and you know it. YOU criticized us for holding the Alexists in higher regard than your affiliated parties. Yet, when I point out that you are allied with a party, the same party you also belong to as the second in command in violation of Reichstag party rules, that uses the same Weltkrieg tactics you despise, I'm a hypocrite?
The Reichstag party rules explicitly validate the formation of coalitions - if you are going to resort to underhanded slander, at least get some good material.

Military doctrine is the sole point of contention between myself and the ABNB. The Iron Fist Party, on the other hand, operates on a Fascist doctrine which is totally opposed to the so-called liberal centrism of your party. As such, you would betray your party's alleged 'principles' by supporting a collection of elitist thugs, all in the name of preventing a party dedicated to the people from coming to power.

As such, you are a hypocrite; your social bias, slanted towards protecting the interests of industrialists over the interests of the lower classes, is evident.
 
Your competitor will then be forced to pay more, and so on and so forth, thus creating a supply war with no benefit for either party, as they will be receiving less and less profit.

Your model makes no economic sense.

It benefits the producers and the consumers, and as the free market is driven by consumers and your main concern is the producers...


Not if the latter sells 100 products for 1000 Marks and the former sells 10'000 products for 1 Mark.

Honestly, for a capitalist, you seem to have a rather feeble grasp of economics.

And you seem to have a very feeble grasp of logic. You just made the logical fallacy of the false dilemma.


Why did Bismarck have to bribe the German Kings to present King William I of Prussia with the title of German Emperor?

Perhaps it is because the German states recognised that the so-called "Iron Chancellor" was not creating a unified German state - he was simply incorporating them into an extension of Prussia.

Or maybe it was because the world runs on money. Always has, always will.


People are inherently ambitious and society will recognise their efforts; natural selection in practice.

How will your society recognize their efforts? With platitudes and empty promises?


I think the answer is quite evident: "I say that claiming our Armed Forces during the Weltkrieg were comparatively better than that of our enemies is a moot point".

Really, is your grasp of language as feeble as your grasp of economics?

How so? What other army would you compare the Weltkrieg Heer with, Napoleon's army? The Mongols?


You avoid the question:

"Again, if the LCP wins the election and implements their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to respond with an uprising, you say that your sympathies would lie with the Fascists, since the former had 'antagonised' them with their policies?"

The LCP are not maniacs such as you.


Again, without the so-called extremists, there would be no revolution.

We would all be living under autocratic monarchs, with no parliament, no rights, no constitution and no liberalism.

Medicine cures a man, but too much of it kills him as dead as the disease.


You cannot fight without bloodshed; it is implied.

You alleged moderates are weak-willed, self-righteous cowards, so busy cavorting on your moral high horse that you have little time to come down into reality.

Weak-willed? Only the strong can resist the temptation of the easy route of extremism.


Military doctrine is the sole point of contention between myself and the ABNB. The Iron Fist Party, on the other hand, operates on a Fascist doctrine which is totally opposed to the so-called liberal centrism of your party. As such, you would betray your party's alleged 'principles' by supporting a collection of elitist thugs, all in the name of preventing a party dedicated to the people from coming to power.

If you haven't noticed, we're in coalition with the DNVP, and aligned generally with the LCP. Nowhere does it say that we are aligned with the Iron Fist. We simply recognize that they at least think of Germany, deluded as they are, while you would seek to destroy the Fatherland completely.
 
The Reichstag party rules explicitly validate the formation of coalitions - if you are going to resort to underhanded slander, at least get some good material.

"- Any member is free to establish or join a political party of his choice. A member can only be member of one party at a time, although he is free to switch allegiance whenever he sees fit."

Revolutionary Soldiers of the Anarcho-Bolshevik National Liberation Army
HMAS-Nameless, Chairman of the People's Council
Syriana, President of the People's Council

United German Socialist Alliance
LEADER: Generalsekretär Syriana

So, posting the fact you currently belong to two parties, in violation of Reichstag rules, is slander? I took that information from your party information. Unless you're saying that your own party rosters aren't good material.

So either your party information pages aren't good information, or you need a roster adjustment. Perhaps you should look up the word 'slander'. Here, I'll get that for you. " a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report"

Pray tell, are your party pages full of malicious, false, and defamatory statements? Aside from the usual Bolshevik leftist slander, that is. But nice trying to dodge the original point. That seems to be a common debating tactic you have.

Military doctrine is the sole point of contention between myself and the ABNB. The Iron Fist Party, on the other hand, operates on a Fascist doctrine which is totally opposed to the so-called liberal centrism of your party. As such, you would betray your party's alleged 'principles' by supporting a collection of elitist thugs, all in the name of preventing a party dedicated to the people from coming to power.

Incorrect. Again, you are completely ignoring all prior statements, including those from our deputy chairman. Again, more willful ignorance and twisting of facts. I wouldn't be surprise if all 'workers' information you have posted to date is utter bollocks.

We don't support them. We just see them as less of a danger to Germany's future than your leftist extremism. The Iron Fists have too confrontational a foreign/military policy for PCP tastes. But that's better than selling Germany out to the Syndicalists that would love to see their arch enemy dismembered.

But here. Let me use your logic. According to you, PCP is selling itself out by saying Iron Fist is better than Bolsheviks. Ok, fine. Therefore, the United German Socialist Alliance is selling itself out by allying with the ABNB, which uses Weltkrieg tactics.

At this juncture, you have two options. Cease your willful misrepresentation of the PCP policy in regards to the Iron Fist, or accept that you sold yourself out to the ABNB.

To reiterate. PCP saying Iron Fist isn't as bad as the Bolsheviks = utter evil. Therefore, UGSA allying with ABNB = utter evil, as your military policy conflicts. Your connection is alot deeper than the supposed 'PCP/Iron Fist' conspiracy.

Of course, you can continue to willfully misrepresent this and consciously ignore logic. As you have been.

As such, you are a hypocrite;

Says someone who can't stay on point and answer the question. I've pointed out how you're a complete hypocrite, how your logical reasoning is completely flawed. It operates under the assumption that everything anyone else does is a betrayal of principle and a massive conspiracy. But when you do it, it's ok, because it's all for the liberation of the workers. Please. Stop screaming 'NO YOU.'

your social bias, slanted towards protecting the interests of industrialists over the interests of the lower classes, is evident.

Your social bias, slanted towards protection the interests of anarchist revolutionaries over the interests of the German good, is evident.
 
It benefits the producers and the consumers, and as the free market is driven by consumers and your main concern is the producers...
No wonder you view capitalism as such an infallible system - you do not even understand it.

It does not benefit the consumers; they are still paying the same price. However, the suppliers will be steadily paying more and more cash for their products, eventually causing them to leave the market as their enterprise becomes unprofitable. And when that happens, the consumers - with no goods available for purchase - lose out and the producers - with no one to purchase their wares - lose out.

And you seem to have a very feeble grasp of logic. You just made the logical fallacy of the false dilemma.
You all seem to love stealing phrases from myself, with no care for meaning or context.

How, pray tell, is this a logical fallacy? He claimed that someone who sells 10'000 products will always make more revenue than someone who sells 100 products, regardless of the price. This is evidently untrue.

Or maybe it was because the world runs on money. Always has, always will.
If they truly wished to unify under Prussia, why did they have to be bribed?

How will your society recognize their efforts? With platitudes and empty promises?
No. Unlike capitalism, we do not create a flimsy facade of meritocracy. The people will naturally assume the roles that they are most capable of.

How so? What other army would you compare the Weltkrieg Heer with, Napoleon's army? The Mongols?
I am now totally convinced that you and your ilk have absolutely no comprehension of grammar whatsoever.

Allow me to make it easier for you: "I say that claiming our Armed Forces during the Weltkrieg were comparatively better than that of our enemies is a moot point".

Will that be all, class?

The LCP are not maniacs such as you.
So you are a hypocrite, then.

If the UGSA comes to power through the democratic process, you would support those who bloodily revolted against a party elected by a majority of the German people, simply because you disagree with that decision?

If a party which you agreed with, however, comes to power through the democratic process, you would condemn those who bloodily revolted against them, simply because you favour them.

You and the Fascists deserve each other; both of you hold the democratic process in contempt. At least the Fascists don't advocate it one minute and then rally against it the next.

Medicine cures a man, but too much of it kills him as dead as the disease.
The mindless repetition of populist phrases is the last defence of the man with no argument.

Weak-willed? Only the strong can resist the temptation of the easy route of extremism.
No, for Socialism entails change, a concept which positively terrifies the upper classes.

For them, "change" just sounds too much like work; better to remain firmly entrenched in the archaic system of the Medieval Era, where they can maintain their slovenly lifestyle.

If you haven't noticed, we're in coalition with the DNVP, and aligned generally with the LCP.
The DNVP being just as Fascist and undemocratic as the Iron Fist Party.

Nowhere does it say that we are aligned with the Iron Fist. We simply recognize that they at least think of Germany, deluded as they are, while you would seek to destroy the Fatherland completely.
To quote a wise man: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

The difference between the Iron Fist Party and ourselves is that the former promotes the interests of the nation - under their leadership, of course - above all else, while we recognise that the German people are more important and intrinsically special than some artificial construct.

You would use the blood of the Germans to cement the foundations of your elitist society.
 
Your competitor will then be forced to pay more, and so on and so forth, thus creating a supply war with no benefit for either party, as they will be receiving less and less profit.

Your model makes no economic sense.


Not if the latter sells 100 products for 1000 Marks and the former sells 10'000 products for 1 Mark.

Honestly, for a capitalist, you seem to have a rather feeble grasp of economics.
First of the person selling 100 products for 1000 Reichsmark would be hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to buy these products which are sold at a price of 1 RM by his competitor. Second: The bottom line for any buying price is the price it can be sold at and the mechanism that I explained to you, called "the market", will take care that the workers will get the highest possible price for their wares and that consumers will get the lowest possible price when they want to buy as long as monopolies and trust are illegal, that is why the LCP supports Anti-Trust-Laws.

Why did Bismarck have to bribe the German Kings to present King William I of Prussia with the title of German Emperor?

Perhaps it is because the German states recognised that the so-called "Iron Chancellor" was not creating a unified German state - he was simply incorporating them into an extension of Prussia.
Because they lost influence due to the unification which is only natural. In return they wanted monetary compensation, is that so hard to understand? If they were truly opposed to the unification they would not have taken the bribes.

Why would your membership - or lack thereof - affect the validity of the argument?

The point still stands.
Because you are arguing with me and the views of the PCP are not my own as I'm not a member of the PCP.

I was referring to this thread in general.
Then again you are doing what you were criticising, I did not use such generalizations, yet you bring them up when arguing with me.

People are inherently ambitious and society will recognise their efforts; natural selection in practice.
You know that natural selection is not about being the most intelligent but being the most flexible and as such being able to adapt? As such your system would not promote the efficient worker but the worker that can get the most out of the system in relation to the work he has done to get it. Aka the lazy people.

I think the answer is quite evident: "I say that claiming our Armed Forces during the Weltkrieg were comparatively better than that of our enemies is a moot point".

Really, is your grasp of language as feeble as your grasp of economics?
Then why did you say:
Syriana said:
Which was why I was directly comparing the Armed Forces of Germany and France in that time period.
If you think that the comparison is a moot point?

You avoid the question:

"Again, if the LCP wins the election and implements their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to respond with an uprising, you say that your sympathies would lie with the Fascists, since the former had 'antagonised' them with their policies?"
I answered your question, you just refuse my answer. I was saying that the Iron Fist would have no reason to rebel as we would not implement extremistic policies and we would be able to compromise. Something that I don't see the possibility to do for a government of the Leftist parties. If you think differently, if you think that you could find a solution where you don't drive the Right-wing extremists into open revolt please tell me.

Again, without the so-called extremists, there would be no revolution.

We would all be living under autocratic monarchs, with no parliament, no rights, no constitution and no liberalism.
That is wrong, or how do you explain that the British had a democratic system without beheading their kings? That is until the Syndicalists started a revolution and threw them out.

You cannot fight without bloodshed; it is implied.

You alleged moderates are weak-willed, self-righteous cowards, so busy cavorting on your moral high horse that you have little time to come down into reality.
I never said that fight without bloodshed was possible but progress without bloodshed is possible. This is a point you completely ignore. For you every progress has to come in the form of a revolution you just haven't learned the art of compromise. You paint us spineless and cowardly because we refuse to heed you call to arms but in that attitude you are no better than the far-right, as all you can think of is the defeat of your enemy through battle and fight. You don't even see the possibility to agree on a compromise. This is why I urge everyone to vote for the moderate parties like the PCP (for the conservatives among us), the LCP (for the liberals), the GLM ( for the social democrats) or the NUP (for the nationals). (Note that this list might be incomplete as I don't want to judge NCRP or Iron Fist) Every vote for the extremists on either side is a vote for civil war, poverty and oppression!
 
So, posting the fact you currently belong to two parties, in violation of Reichstag rules, is slander? I took that information from your party information. Unless you're saying that your own party rosters aren't good material.
Sigh.

It still seems that you are unable to differentiate between the UGSA and the ABNB. I fear your stupidity is contagious.

We are in a coalition; as such, if the ABNB comes into power, I - as the leader of the UGSA - will become part of their Cabinet.

We don't support them. We just see them as less of a danger to Germany's future than your leftist extremism. The Iron Fists have too confrontational a foreign/military policy for PCP tastes. But that's better than selling Germany out to the Syndicalists that would love to see their arch enemy dismembered.
And now see another tactic favoured by the Fascists - condemning anyone who dares to promote the interests of the working class as "traitors". You spin an elaborate plot of internal elements working to destroy the "Fatherland" - another tactic favoured by the Fascists. And just like the Fascists, your allegations are meritless, being blatant examples of fear-mongering and hysteria-whipping.

But here. Let me use your logic. According to you, PCP is selling itself out by saying Iron Fist is better than Bolsheviks. Ok, fine. Therefore, the United German Socialist Alliance is selling itself out by allying with the ABNB, which uses Weltkrieg tactics.
Not at all.

The ABNB shares the same ideology as the UGSA; we are not incompatible simply because we have different views on a specific area of policy. The Fascists, on the other hand, make no secret of their contempt of democracy - something that the PCP claims to cherish and protect.

Says someone who can't stay on point and answer the question. I've pointed out how you're a complete hypocrite, how your logical reasoning is completely flawed. It operates under the assumption that everything anyone else does is a betrayal of principle and a massive conspiracy. But when you do it, it's ok, because it's all for the liberation of the workers. Please. Stop screaming 'NO YOU.'
My God.

You've actually created a point that is part ad hominem attack, part hypocrisy and part tu coque fallacy.

Ad hominem because you, instead of attempting to refute my point, chose to attempt to slander me. Tu coque fallacy because you attempt to justify your previous hypocrisy with a "But you do it too!" allegation. And all hypocrisy because you sign off your point with "Stop screaming 'NO YOU'", an action that you have just committed.

Your social bias, slanted towards protection the interests of anarchist revolutionaries over the interests of the German good, is evident.
The "German good", of course, being synonymous with "propping up the aristocracy and fat cat industrialists". Because of course, the only true people of Germany are these two groups.

First of the person selling 100 products for 1000 Reichsmark would be hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to buy these products which are sold at a price of 1 RM by his competitor.
You still attempted to purport this as scientific fact. There is a reason why economics is not described as an exact science.

The bottom line for any buying price is the price it can be sold at and the mechanism that I explained to you, called "the market", will take care that the workers will get the highest possible price for their wares and that consumers will get the lowest possible price when they want to buy as long as monopolies and trust are illegal, that is why the LCP supports Anti-Trust-Laws.
A wise man once said that a true politician is someone who can speak a lot but say very little - the above being a perfect example.

I like it how you act as if I do not know what a market is, having used that term in the very point you quoted. And the fact is, none of your waffle explains why, if one merchant is purchasing goods for one Mark each and selling them for five Marks, another merchant will come along and decide to purchase the same goods for three Marks each before selling them at the same price.

It makes no logical or economical sense.

If they were truly opposed to the unification they would not have taken the bribes.
And then Prussia would have crushed and conquered them all.

They were trying to at least gain some compensation for their inevitable subjugation under the Kaiser.

Then again you are doing what you were criticising, I did not use such generalizations, yet you bring them up when arguing with me.
And yet I did not attribute those claims to you.

Learn to read.

You know that natural selection is not about being the most intelligent but being the most flexible and as such being able to adapt?
Wrong.

Natural selection is about being most suited to your environment and thus thriving in it. As such, those with most adept at certain professions will inevitably assume that area of employment.

If you think that the comparison is a moot point?
Because the Armed Forces of our opponents during the Weltkrieg were inflexible and pathetic, meaning that boasting that our Armed Forces were superior than that of our enemies was a moot point - akin to an obese slob boasting that he is more agile than a dead man.

I answered your question, you just refuse my answer.
No, you have dodged around it like the coward that you truly are.

I was saying that the Iron Fist would have no reason to rebel as we would not implement extremistic policies and we would be able to compromise.
Irrelevant.

Answer the question: If the Iron Fist Party hypothetically responded to the LCP coming to power by launching a revolution, would you then be supportive of the former on the basis that it was the latter's asumption of the role of government which caused the revolution?

This is not an outlandish scenario; Alexus has explicitly stated that, if he had the permission of the Kaiser, he would overthrow the government formed of any party but his own.

That is wrong, or how do you explain that the British had a democratic system without beheading their kings? That is until the Syndicalists started a revolution and threw them out.
A democracy with limited suffrage, a government dominated by the upper classes, an endemically corrupt Police Force and an unelected Head of State.

Essentially, Feudalism.

I never said that fight without bloodshed was possible but progress without bloodshed is possible. This is a point you completely ignore.
And would the French Revolution have been successful without bloodshed?

No; it would have been crushed from its very beginning, along all the liberal and republican aspirations of society.

For you every progress has to come in the form of a revolution you just haven't learned the art of compromise.
This is what differentiates us from you; unlike the so-called moderates, we are not willing to "compromise" our principles and beliefs simply to take the easy option of appeasing the elitist industrialists.

We shall not be bribed.
 
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The Elections are upcoming dear Germans! I would like to remind everyone...

Who do you feel secure with? The Prussian Conservative Party, the Party that united behind the Kaiser and led Germany to victory! Or do you feel secure with the Bolsheviks, the Party that took control of the losing nations?

The Party of the Victors: The Prussian Conservative Party

The Party of the Losers: The Anarcho-Bolshevik Liberation Front

VOTE PCP IN THE COMING ELECTIONS! FOR A GREATER GERMANY!
 
The Elections are upcoming dear Germans! I would like to remind everyone...

Who do you feel secure with? The Prussian Conservative Party, the Party that united behind the Kaiser and led Germany to victory! Or do you feel secure with the Bolsheviks, the Party that took control of the losing nations?

The Party of the Victors: The Prussian Conservative Party

The Party of the Losers: The Anarcho-Bolshevik Liberation Front

VOTE PCP IN THE COMING ELECTIONS! FOR A GREATER GERMANY!

Or you could vote for the party that is trying to keep us from repeating old mistakes! VOTE GERMAN LABOUR PARTY!
 
Or you could vote for the party that is trying to keep us from repeating old mistakes! VOTE GERMAN LABOUR PARTY!

Old mistakes? The policies of Bismarck brought the Fatherland into his rightful place under the sun, and we will continue those policies! We made Germany great, and we will keep Germany great! Vote Prussian Conservative Party!
 
Vote Iron Fist for a stronger, safer future!
 
Understand that all this line by line deconstruction of argument and refutation of refutations, this is the bureaucratic messes and tangles the extremists so love to use to beguile their foes when they cannot club them into submission with repeated slogan chanting...
 
I like it how you act as if I do not know what a market is, having used that term in the very point you quoted. And the fact is, none of your waffle explains why, if one merchant is purchasing goods for one Mark each and selling them for five Marks, another merchant will come along and decide to purchase the same goods for three Marks each before selling them at the same price.

It makes no logical or economical sense.
I have answered that already, but since you ask so nice ly I will do so again: Because the second merchant wants to make profit that currently the first merchant does with the goods that are currently bought by the first merchant. To convince the worker to sell to him instead of the first merchant he has to give him an incentive and that is a higher price.

And then Prussia would have crushed and conquered them all.

They were trying to at least gain some compensation for their inevitable subjugation under the Kaiser.
The german unification was enough of a risky game as it was and could only be pulled off because Bismarck was able to convince the other great powers except for France that the unification was the last growth of german influence in Europe. Do you really think that other nations would have stood idly by if Prussia had to conquer the other states and by that showing their weakness and impotence to deal with the situation diplomatically? For example the British were concerned enough of a new powerhouse in the center of Europe upsetting their Balance of power, they would have invaded if it did not seem like the unification of all german states.

And yet I did not attribute those claims to you.
Ok, then let's stop bickering about this triviality.

Wrong.

Natural selection is about being most suited to your environment and thus thriving in it. As such, those with most adept at certain professions will inevitably assume that area of employment.
No I'm not wrong. The dinosaurs went extinct BECAUSE they were TOO SUITED to their environment and when that changed they were unable to adapt and went extinct.

Because the Armed Forces of our opponents during the Weltkrieg were inflexible and pathetic, meaning that boasting that our Armed Forces were superior than that of our enemies was a moot point - akin to an obese slob boasting that he is more agile than a dead man.
But that was not the point why I was comparing. I was comparing to show that we have a tradition of more flexibility than our enemies and have to improve on that and for that reason the comparison was vaild.

No, you have dodged around it like the coward that you truly are.
Thanks for proving the point I made in my last paragraph.


Irrelevant.

Answer the question: If the Iron Fist Party hypothetically responded to the LCP coming to power by launching a revolution, would you then be supportive of the former on the basis that it was the latter's asumption of the role of government which caused the revolution?

This is not an outlandish scenario; Alexus has explicitly stated that, if he had the permission of the Kaiser, he would overthrow the government formed of any party but his own.
Your question is irrelevant as I was not talking of any effects that may be caused by the election of your party but the policies you want to implement. Actually its you that is dodging me, I have repeatedlly said that it is not about the elections but about the policies, yet you refuse to answer me.

A democracy with limited suffrage, a government dominated by the upper classes, an endemically corrupt Police Force and an unelected Head of State.

Essentially, Feudalism.
Bull. The House of Lords had long lost any real power even at the beginning of the last Weltkrieg. And even the First French republic had limited suffrage as has the United States both are still considered democracies. The position of the king has also lost most of its power since the 16th century when it was at the height of power.

And would the French Revolution have been successful without bloodshed?

No; it would have been crushed from its very beginning, along all the liberal and republican aspirations of society.
Again I have to ask wether you read what I write or if you only blurt your propaganda. I said before that there are things worth fighting for, but if the same goal can be achieved peacefully the moderates will follow this route instead of just smashing all opposition.

This is what differentiates us from you; unlike the so-called moderates, we are not willing to "compromise" our principles and beliefs simply to take the easy option of appeasing the elitist industrialists.

We shall not be bribed.
And this unwillingness to compromise is what causes wars between nations and within nations. Sticking to ideals without considering to be wrong or that other opinions might matter as well is the easy way as it only requires you to follow on a straight path and allows you to blame everything on others like you are doing when you say that it's the Iron Fist fault if they fail to comply with your ideology. Moderation is the hard way as it requires you to think for yourself and take responsibility for your actions.
 
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Man this is going to be a trainwreck, and I can't help but watch.

I'm torn between two political parties, Weltreich, or the ANARCHO-BOLSHEVIK NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT. Both follows the swell and awesome movement called Marxism, which have been proven time and time again. But, erm, I don't know which one to support. I'll support the one party that will actually win, and I lean towards Weltreich in terms of sanity, and Anarcho-Bolsheviks in terms of ideological purity, but...

Aha! A tiebreaker! Bolsheviks, Weltreichs, hands on buzzers. I understand that the French Frogs are progressive comrades, but...they're Frogs. And these French Frogs are eventually going to demand German territory. What will be your policy towards these French Frogs? Answer correctly, and you'll get my vote.
 
As you can see, all of the other parties are too caught up in fighting each other than to help the average German! Vote Iron Fist! We listen to you and will protect you from Syndicalism!
 
Man this is going to be a trainwreck, and I can't help but watch.

I'm torn between two political parties, Weltreich, or the ANARCHO-BOLSHEVIK NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT. Both follows the swell and awesome movement called Marxism, which have been proven time and time again. But, erm, I don't know which one to support. I'll support the one party that will actually win, and I lean towards Weltreich in terms of sanity, and Anarcho-Bolsheviks in terms of ideological purity, but...

Aha! A tiebreaker! Bolsheviks, Weltreichs, hands on buzzers. I understand that the French Frogs are progressive comrades, but...they're Frogs. And these French Frogs are eventually going to demand German territory. What will be your policy towards these French Frogs? Answer correctly, and you'll get my vote.

You better vote for PCP then, both are bad as they are. Marxism has proven itself wrong. Think of what is happening to France, Britain. Anarchy, Misery poverty and a society that went back to the Dark Ages...

PCP brings you glory! PCP brings you a national identity! PCP brings you wealth! Party of the victors: PCP! Party of the losers: Marxists, Syndicalists and Anarchists....

As you can see, all of the other parties are too caught up in fighting each other than to help the average German! Vote Iron Fist! We listen to you and will protect you from Syndicalism!

The Iron Fist does NOT listen to you. It does not debate, it does NOT defend your rights. What do you know of the Iron Fist? It does not make it clear where it stands....

HOWEVER, IN THE DARKNESS THERE IS A LIGHT! THE PARTY THAT SUPPORTS YOU! JOIN PCP, VOTE PCP, THE PARTY OF THE KAISER, AND A GLORIOUS GERMANY! THE PARTY THAT SAVES THE TRUE VALUES OF GERMAN LIFE, THAT SAVES YOUR WEALTH!

Vote PCP!!! The Party of the victors!
 
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DNVP is back from Chritmas break and will campaign to the bitter end (DNVP support Christmas, which other parties do that??)

DNVP support the following policies;

Syndicalism/ Socialism: Must be outlawed. All Syndicalist and Socialist political parties and Trade Unions must be outlawed to protect Germany from the conspiracy to destroy our Reich. Syndicalism is a cancer that eat our nation, a cancer that must be cured. A vote for DNVP is a vote against Syndicalism!

Kaiser and Democracy; DNVP recognize the Kaiser as the leader of Germany. DNVP want the Kaiser to have the power to form a government without the involvement of the Reichstag. DNVP recognize the democratic Reichstag as an important part of the German politcal culture, and therefor support a democratically elected Reichstag as an advisory body.

Foreign Policy; Germany must seek a new Pan- German alliance with the Habsburg Monarchy and thus create a strong German front against Syndicalism. France and Britain need to be checked.

Military; DNVP support a strong military that Germany should use to stop France from conquering Europe.

Cultural/ Religous policy,
DNVP recognize the threat from foreign cultural influences from the Syndicalist block and America. The German Kultur must be revived. The young ones must learn to read the German Classics and appreciate Wagner's operas instead of watching sinful movies in the Cinemas or listening to bad music. A medicine of classical German Kultur will increase the patriotism and the spiritual well being of the German youths.
DNVP support a return to Christian values, and a strong support of the Churches (both Protestant and Catholic). Christianity is the religion of Germany, and Germany need to have a strong Christian identity.

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Understand that all this line by line deconstruction of argument and refutation of refutations, this is the bureaucratic messes and tangles the extremists so love to use to beguile their foes when they cannot club them into submission with repeated slogan chanting...
So essentially, you mean that Socialists actually address and refute the points of their detractors, while centrists and Fascists simply drown it all out with patriotic wailing?
 
I have answered that already, but since you ask so nice ly I will do so again: Because the second merchant wants to make profit that currently the first merchant does with the goods that are currently bought by the first merchant. To convince the worker to sell to him instead of the first merchant he has to give him an incentive and that is a higher price.
And yet this still reaps no benefit for the merchant.

If we are working within the confines of the analogy, and the farmer does indeed choose to sell his wares to the merchant offering the higher price, what does the merchant gain from this? He will be selling goods for less profit than if he had simply purchased them at the same price. The other merchant will retaliate by offering more cash for the wares, and so on and so forth, until both parties have ground themselves into debt and poverty and exit the market - leaving the consumers without goods and the farmer without income.

No I'm not wrong. The dinosaurs went extinct BECAUSE they were TOO SUITED to their environment and when that changed they were unable to adapt and went extinct.
So you now arrogantly claim to definitively know how the dinosaurs became extinct - an issue which has been debated tirelessly by academics?

Most research indicates that there was a sudden catalyst for the extinction. Whatever this was, the dinosaurs did not become extinct because of this due to the fact that they were unable to "adapt"; they died because there was no literally no time for any biological response to occur.

Evolution is not magic; animals do not spontaneously transform when hit by a certain stimulus.

But I am, of course, forced to ask why the extinction of the dinosaurs is at all relevant to the discussion at hand?

But that was not the point why I was comparing. I was comparing to show that we have a tradition of more flexibility than our enemies and have to improve on that and for that reason the comparison was vaild.
So the party which supports the centuries-old concept of a Head of State determined by hereditary ascension while viewing the brutal thugs who would support the interests of the archaic class system as preferable to the organisation which aims to address the social inequalities of our society through a series of reforms is a paragon of "flexibility" then, is it?

Your question is irrelevant as I was not talking of any effects that may be caused by the election of your party but the policies you want to implement.
Have you ever considered a career in ballet?

The way you weave and pirouette when being asked straight questions is most entertaining, if ever so slightly laughable and pathetic.

Actually its you that is dodging me, I have repeatedlly said that it is not about the elections but about the policies, yet you refuse to answer me.
See above, but since you seem especially intent on burying your own inadequacies under a wave of whining protest, let's rephrase it:

If the LCP came to power and implemented their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to launch a revolution in response to these policies, would you then support the Iron Fist Party over the LCP, on the basis that it was the latter's fault for implementing the policies which led to the revolt?

The House of Lords had long lost any real power even at the beginning of the last Weltkrieg.
And yet they still existed, with totally unqualified aristocrats still allowed to automatically assume a position within them, due to their "hereditary peerships".

The position of the king has also lost most of its power since the 16th century when it was at the height of power.
Most, but not all, and it was still a glaring hypocrisy that a nation which prided itself as a meritocratic democracy had a Head of State chosen purely for their blood, not their brain.

Again I have to ask wether you read what I write or if you only blurt your propaganda.
And I have to ask who tutored you in ballet, for you have once again daintily skipped around the question.

I said before that there are things worth fighting for, but if the same goal can be achieved peacefully the moderates will follow this route instead of just smashing all opposition.
And as I said before, the French Revolution - the catalyst for democracy, liberalism and republicanism throughout the word - would have been crushed if it had followed the so-called "peaceful" (read: weak) route of the alleged "moderates".

And this unwillingness to compromise is what causes wars between nations and within nations.
Perhaps we should follow your example; being so willing to compromise that you will openly choose to align yourself with a collection of Fascists who stand against every ideal you apparantly cherish.

Moderation is the hard way as it requires you to think for yourself and take responsibility for your actions.
Absurd.

Moderation is the easiest path, as you can essentially forsake your entire political manifesto in favour of whoring out your government to all available parties, securing your position through populist measures while failing to tackle any real issues.

You are the prostitute of governance; poverty and corruption is your syphilis.

Aha! A tiebreaker! Bolsheviks, Weltreichs, hands on buzzers. I understand that the French Frogs are progressive comrades, but...they're Frogs. And these French Frogs are eventually going to demand German territory. What will be your policy towards these French Frogs? Answer correctly, and you'll get my vote.
If the United German Socialist Alliance or the Anarcho-Bolshevik National Liberation Movement came to power, the political ideology of the German and French states would become identical, firmly putting an end to antagonistic Franco-German relations and forming them both together in a grand coalition against the Fascist front in Eastern Europe.

Furthermore, the United German Socialist Alliance aims to enact a full-scale reform of the German Armed Forces, in order to modernise them and promote efficiency. Even if French treachery became an issue, our superior military strength would ensure German dominance and maintain the stability of the region.
 
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