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Better a Kaiser who lead us to victory in the Great Weltkrieg than into the hands of a Soviet in which different opinions prevail. Or to think that instead of the Kaiser one of the 'workers' will rise up and take the same position.

The Kaiser is always better than a Bolshevik!

Long Live the Kaiser! VOTE PCP!

Tim
 
Better a Kaiser who lead us to victory in the Great Weltkrieg than into the hands of a Soviet in which different opinions prevail. Or to think that instead of the Kaiser one of the 'workers' will rise up and take the same position.

The Kaiser is always better than a Bolshevik!

Long Live the Kaiser! VOTE PCP!

Tim

Of course, better still would be a democratically elected government that truly represents the interests of the german people, and not that of a fringe group of fat aristocrats!

They might find some way to AVOID pushing us into another Weltkrieg, resulting in millions of dead!
 
Of course, better still would be a democratically elected government that truly represents the interests of the german people, and not that of a fringe group of fat aristocrats!

They might find some way to AVOID pushing us into another Weltkrieg, resulting in millions of dead!

I do believe it was an anarchist who lit the spark for the Weltkrieg.
 
Better militarists than Bolsheviks.
Better elitist thugs than the working class, you mean.

On a subsistence level, yes. Barely above poverty, yes. Without an access to markets to sell his surplus wares, he will have little money to spend on other necessities and wants. It's a shame that you want to put us back in the medieval era.
Oh, yes; because the merchant buying up the farmer's crops for a ludicrously low rate and then jacking up the prices has really enabled the peasants escape poverty.

I'm going to borrow one of your phrases. It would seem my colleague has been in a comatose state since the 1870s. Get a map, look at central Europe. What's there? Oh, right, Germany.
So when one nation conquers other nations, incorporates them into their empire, forces them to adopt their monarch as their Head of State, makes their national bank the national bank of the new empire and makes their currency the national currency of the new empire, this is what you call "German unification"?

How can any nation which does not incorporate Austria be called "Germany"?

More goalshifting.
More use of a term that you obviously do not comprehend.

Right. Which is exactly why he was a driving force behind the creation of our dear Reichstag.
You mean the Reichstag that predated Bismarck as Chancellor?

Or the Reichstag he circumvented and ignored during the 1863 taxation issue.

You are aware that your analogy was pretty much worthless, correct?
You are aware that your opinion is clearly not subjective and thus counts for nothing, correct?

It's a strawman only if it takes a position and blows it our of proportion.
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That's not what the phrase "strawman argument" means.

A strawman argument is when you refute an argument that your opponent was not making; which you were, with your "You claimed we don't have healthcare!" fluff.

And you are getting your information from where? The Syndicalist Handbook?
Because anything that does not support your weak-willed ideology is clearly Syndicalist propaganda.

I'm going to use one of your lines. Wanton strawman argument.
And you will once again use it without understanding what it actually means

No, it doesn't prove that.
What an excellent debating strategy.

Putting people with no experience in management capacity is a bad idea that only works in Utopian novels.
On the contrary, if there are no single group of managers, efficiency will increase, as all those with managerial abilities who were previously ignored because of their social standing and upbringing will be able to come to the fore.

With no arbitrary hierarchy, we shall have absolute social and economical mobility.

Again, how are you going to manage incentive and discipline? No authority means no one is required to follow a command
People will work because, if they do not, they will not be able to use their goods or feed their families.

Furthermore, if you go as far as to prohibit them from that task, you are then creating a class divide between people that are and aren't allowed to do things.
1. That is not what a class divide is.
2. Jobs and employment will be socially distributed to those most capable of the task through natural selection.

And your facts are from where?
Are you telling me that a majority of those occupying non-officer and non-commissioned ranks weren't from the lower class?

If so, your delusion is clearly more advanced than I previously thought.

Coincidentally, that is how the current military rank system is set up. Soldiers have a say provided they follow their chain of command.
So basically, the soldiers are allowed to offer their opinion, which the Generals will instantly ignore in favour of their own.

What an excellent democratic process!

Wait....this sounds familiar. If I go to your party platform, I find this...

"Military Doctrine
The people will be at the for front of the Revolution, we have no need for petty machines. The people will be what brings the Revolution and the people will be who brings the new age of Far Leftist Freedom. Mass Conscription Acts will be put in place so everyone will have a chance to fight against the Capitalist and Authoritarian demons."

The Weltkrieg tactics that you so despise and lambaste are the exact same tactics your party follows!!! The irony!!! Legion after legion of workers being mowed down? That is exactly what your party platform calls for!
Wow.

Congratulations, you have clearly proved I am a hypocrite.

If it was not for the fact that the excerpt you have posted is from the stance of a different party, not the UGSA.

Clearly you are a debater of integrity and impecal observation.

Again, you are making things out to be worse than what they are. You'd only be satisfied with a complete overturning of social and political order. Anything less than that is utter evil to you.
We would be satisfied with a society that acted as it claimed to be - meritocratic.

Vested interest only goes so far. You need motivation, otherwise you won't get good results.
And vested interest is not motivation?

If your system is so flawless, where such kinds of things aren't needed, it would be in existence already, before the Weltkreig. But it's not, and there's a reason for that. It does not work.
That is a logical fallacy.

By your same logic, if democracy is so great, why did we live as an autocracy for centuries?

I find it interesting how the Syndicalist glosses over exactly which third war 'Prussian aggression' started.
I find it interesting how you make a cheap crack at the Syndicalists instead of attempting to refute my point.
 
I do believe it was an anarchist who lit the spark for the Weltkrieg.
Because Gavrilo Princip obviously forced Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia.

Clearly it was the republican who was responsible for the Weltkrieg, not the autocratic monarch.
 
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I as one would like to hear more about this party and what are it's opinions on the current issues and how would vote for the NCRP be an vote for better Germany?
 
I want to join the true and only NCRP party !!!!!!!!!!
Welcome!
Another one who can see through the lies and understand that we are the solution!
I as one would like to hear more about this party and what are it's opinions on the current issues and how would vote for the NCRP be an vote for better Germany?
NCRP would solidify the position of germany throught the world and give any spoils of war to the german people. Meanwhile the level of living inside the empire would be enhanced by economical social means.
 
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Because Gavrilo Princip obviously forced Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia.

Clearly it was the republican who was responsible for the Weltkrieg, not the autocratic monarch.

Given that the late Archduke was in fact in favor of dramatic reforms of Austria-Hungary and eventual Serbian independence, one can only conclude that the unlamented Mr. Princip was hardly a republican, merely a mad dog Syndicalist.


Wow.

Congratulations, you have clearly proved I am a hypocrite.

If it was not for the fact that the excerpt you have posted is from the stance of a different party, not the UGSA.

Clearly you are a debater of integrity and impecal observation.

Given that you are listed as a member of the ABNB, one tends to get confused at times.
 
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Neverhteless, I even wish the enemies of Germany and the PCP (which are the same) a Merry Christmas!

When everyone has enjoyed Christmas, I would politely encourage you to vote PCP, to continue a Merry Christmas instead of a bloody Sunday...

Tim
 
Wow.

Congratulations, you have clearly proved I am a hypocrite.

If it was not for the fact that the excerpt you have posted is from the stance of a different party, not the UGSA.

Clearly you are a debater of integrity and impecal observation.

Revolutionary Soldiers of the Anarcho-Bolshevik National Liberation Army
HMAS-Nameless, Chairman of the People's Council
Syriana, President of the People's Council

OOC:
"- Any member is free to establish or join a political party of his choice. A member can only be member of one party at a time, although he is free to switch allegiance whenever he sees fit."

Can you link to the UGSA then? They aren't listed on the front page index. Either way, AAR rules state you can only be in one party at a time.

So which is it? UGSA or the Bolsheviks?
 
Given that the late Archduke was in fact in favor of dramatic reforms of Austria-Hungary and eventual Serbian independence, one can only conclude that the unlamented Mr. Princip was hardly a republican, merely a mad dog Syndicalist.
For one who is allegedly opposed to the Fascists, you seem to have adopted one of their favourite tactics; calling anyone who disagrees with you a Syndicalist.

Gavrilo Princip was a Syndicalist? As far as I am aware, the sole aim of the Black Hand was to grant independence for Serbia. But of course, anyone who wants to liberate themselves from an oppressive monarch must be a Syndicalist.


Given that you are listed as a member of the ABNB, one tends to get confused at times.
And yet it would only take a cursory glance to see the words "United German Socialist Alliance".

Can you link to the UGSA then? They aren't listed on the front page index.
Signature.


Either way, AAR rules state you can only be in one party at a time.

So which is it? UGSA or the Bolsheviks?
We have aligned with each other, in order to provide a popular front against the Fascists - the very thugs that your ilk would allow to overrun our Fatherland.
 
We have aligned with each other, in order to provide a popular front against the Fascists - the very thugs that your ilk would allow to overrun our Fatherland.

So then saying you support their military policy, to a certain extent, would be correct. By your logic, the PCP preferring to work with the Iron Fist instead of the Bolsheviks is a crime.

But it's ok for you to not only prefer to work with someone, but align with their party, whose military policy almost a carbon copy of the Weltkrieg tactics that you despise?

That's quite a generous double standard you gave yourself.
 
So is this going to end up an battle between Fascists and Syndicalist/Bolsheviks? Are the other parties just going stand with the same policy that allows these kinds of harmfull parties to deceive the people? I for one doesn't see anything liberal in socialists neither there is any liberal things in the Fascists but is that what the parties think?
 
And yet it would only take a cursory glance to see the words "United German Socialist Alliance".

And yet you are a member of the ABNB group.


Gavrilo Princip was a Syndicalist? As far as I am aware, the sole aim of the Black Hand was to grant independence for Serbia. But of course, anyone who wants to liberate themselves from an oppressive monarch must be a Syndicalist.

Yes, you would liberate the German people from our beloved Kaiser. You would also liberate us from our possessions and our lives. The German people are not stupid. We still remember the carnage of France and Britain.


We have aligned with each other, in order to provide a popular front against the Fascists - the very thugs that your ilk would allow to overrun our Fatherland.

We are as opposed to the Iron Fist as we are to you, Syndicalist.


Tell me. If we are truly the oppressors of the German people you claim we are, why will we implement an educational initiative where, thanks to a combination of government subsidy and apprenticeship, German students in universities, colleges, and polytechnics will pay a pittance, if that, for their education? Why will gifted students from less fortunate backgrounds be granted a fully subsidized tertiary education? Yes, we believe in the free market, but never at the cost of the German people.
 
Oh, yes; because the merchant buying up the farmer's crops for a ludicrously low rate and then jacking up the prices has really enabled the peasants escape poverty.
How about learning something about the system of the free market before you agitate against it? The price for the goods the farmer sells is not arbitrarily decided by one evil capitalist maggot that wants to exploit the poor working class and controls the government as his minions. There is a concept of supply and demand. Try to read up on that.

So when one nation conquers other nations, incorporates them into their empire, forces them to adopt their monarch as their Head of State, makes their national bank the national bank of the new empire and makes their currency the national currency of the new empire, this is what you call "German unification"?
So tell me please when did Prussian troops invade Bavaria? When did they put a gun to the head of the rulers and forced them to abdicate in favour of the Kaiser? Oh? Never? Well that might have to with the fact that it was not a forcefull unification, the fact that Austria was not part of it proves this, they just did not want to.

People will work because, if they do not, they will not be able to use their goods or feed their families.
So we are back to good old feudalism: Work or starve. Just where did your respect for live go?

So basically, the soldiers are allowed to offer their opinion, which the Generals will instantly ignore in favour of their own.
You might want to read up on the military procedure of the German army as well, during the world war our proud armed forces had one of the most flexible command structures of all nations in the war. Low-ranking commanders had way more influence than in any other army. This is the foundation we have to build our military on in the future not some over-important pig headed generals sending more troops to their death from their comfy chairs in Berlin, neither a disorganised army of untrained mass-conscripted workers and farmers. What we need is a highly modern and flexible army with highly independent low-rank commanders.

Another thing I have to add: Your plans of revolution are way too rash, they will lead us to anarchy and civil war, just take a look at Russia if you want to see what happens if the extremists gain too much power! What Germany needs is moderate reforms, everything else would put us on the brink of civil war and bring ruin to our great nation! Nobody wants that, so vote moderate: PCP, LCP, NUP, or GLM should be the parties of your choice, don't listen to the lies of the extremists!
 
But it's ok for you to not only prefer to work with someone, but align with their party, whose military policy almost a carbon copy of the Weltkrieg tactics that you despise?
So you claim that, under the UGSA, there would be no freedom of thought and we would all be forced to tow the party line.

You then criticise me for not forcing the ABNB to change its military doctrine to mirror mine.

I believe there is a word for this; hypocrisy.

And yet you are a member of the ABNB group.
And yet a cursory glance would see the words "United German Socialist Alliance".

Do try and keep up.

Yes, you would liberate the German people from our beloved Kaiser. You would also liberate us from our possessions and our lives.
And you would liberate this debate of all integrity through your constant strawman fallacies.

The German people are not stupid.
Indeed.

Your party is the exception, not the rule.

We still remember the carnage of France and Britain.
And we still remember the carnage of the Weltkrieg; what a large quantity of German blood to be spilled to prop up the Kaiser and his pathetic colonial empire.

We are as opposed to the Iron Fist as we are to you, Syndicalist.
And yet you would rather have these brutes in office than a party dedicated to the German people.

Tell me. If we are truly the oppressors of the German people you claim we are, why will we implement an educational initiative where, thanks to a combination of government subsidy and apprenticeship, German students in universities, colleges, and polytechnics will pay a pittance, if that, for their education? Why will gifted students from less fortunate backgrounds be granted a fully subsidized tertiary education? Yes, we believe in the free market, but never at the cost of the German people.
More hypocrisy.

If you truly subscribed to your 'wonderful' Free Market System, you would not implement such measures.

You forsake your own principles in a cynical attempt at vote-buying. The German people see through your flimsy populist measures and recognise them as deceits and false promises. When your party allows the Iron Fists to overrun Germany, let us see just how many of these promises even make it to the legislative process.

How about learning something about the system of the free market before you agitate against it? The price for the goods the farmer sells is not arbitrarily decided by one evil capitalist maggot that wants to exploit the poor working class and controls the government as his minions.
How about learning something about the concept of an analogy before railling against it?

There is a concept of supply and demand. Try to read up on that.
See above.

So tell me please when did Prussian troops invade Bavaria? When did they put a gun to the head of the rulers and forced them to abdicate in favour of the Kaiser? Oh? Never? Well that might have to with the fact that it was not a forcefull unification, the fact that Austria was not part of it proves this, they just did not want to.
Clearly you have little knowledge of the Austro-Prussian War.

Bavaria was indeed invaded - by Prussian troops. And the reason why Austria was excluded from the new Germany was that Prussia did not want Habsburgs challenging them for control of the German nations. It was not a unification war - it was the final subjugation of the German states under the Prussian autocracy.

So we are back to good old feudalism: Work or starve. Just where did your respect for live go?
My apologies - I forget that the Free Market System magically creates goods and services without any need for human labour.

You might want to read up on the military procedure of the German army as well, during the world war our proud armed forces had one of the most flexible command structures of all nations in the war.
Follow your own advice.

Our command structure was "flexible" in the same way that a steel girder is flexible.

What we need is a highly modern and flexible army with highly independent low-rank commanders.
Which is what the UGSA advocates in our military doctrine.

Another thing I have to add: Your plans of revolution are way too rash, they will lead us to anarchy and civil war, just take a look at Russia if you want to see what happens if the extremists gain too much power!
How can the ruling party launch a revolution against itself?

Your ilk keep parroting this line - that, if elected, the UGSA will start a bloody revolt which will cause Germany to be destroyed from within, etc. Standard fear-mongering and right-wing propaganda. But how is it a revolution if we are democratically elected into office?

What Germany needs is moderate reforms, everything else would put us on the brink of civil war and bring ruin to our great nation!
Absurd hyperbole.

You are so rigid and inflexible that you view any change that actually bears significance to be frightening beyond imagination.
 
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I want to join the true and only NCRP party !!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to the true party!

I as one would like to hear more about this party and what are it's opinions on the current issues and how would vote for the NCRP be an vote for better Germany?

Ike if you join us you will be the Internial Minister of the party!

About the party, we want to modernize the army and airforce with the newest technology. (green tech:))
We want to have all national provines that are outside germany, first we will try without violence, but if they don't cede we will invade only our rightfully parts.
And the Kaiser is No.1 person in Germany. I will never be greater then the Kaiser!
More information can you find in this post:)

P.S. We are in a coalition with the Iron Fist party.

So join us NCRP if you want a better Germany!
 
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