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    Couple of things:

    1, Why do the Scots have cores over all of Ireland and the north of England? Really strange decision IMO. I could understand Northumberland (for a permanent CB on England) but Yorkshire/Lancashire and IRELAND???

    2, I remember reading that Timur wrote letters to Charles VI - so maybe the Timurids could have knowledge of some of France? Languedoc and Provence, maybe?

    3, Henry IV should be a leader. Not great stats, but he should be.

    I meant to report something else but I forgot it. I'll let you know if I remember.

    For what it's worth, here's my leader file for the period:

    Code:
    # England #
    
    # Hundred Years' War
    
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09251 }
    	category = monarch
    	name = "Henry IV"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 12
    		month = october
    		year = 1399
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Henry Boilingbroke - Vilinus 1390, Jerusalem 1392/3, Glendower rebellion 1400-15"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09252 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Warwick"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 17
    		month = november
    		year = 1403
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 1
    		month = may
    		year = 1439
    	}
    	rank = 4
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 4
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Richard de Beauchamp, earl of Warwick - Glendower rebellion 1400-15, Lollard uprisings 1413-16, Normandy 1420s"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09253 }
    	category = monarch
    	name = "Henry V"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 1
    		month = september
    		year = 1422
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 5
    	fire = 6
    	shock = 5
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Henry of Monmouth - Glendower rebellion 1400-15, Harfleur 1415, Agincourt 1415, Rouen 1418/19, Meaux 1422"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09254 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Clarence"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1421
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 4
    	shock = 2
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Thomas Plantagenet, duke of Clarence - Harfleur 1415, Agincourt 1415, Rouen 1418/19, Baugé 1421"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09255 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Bedford"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 14
    		month = september
    		year = 1435
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 4
    	fire = 5
    	shock = 5
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "John Plantagenet, duke of Bedford - Harfleur 1415, Agincourt 1415, Rouen 1418/19, Verneuil 1424, St. James 1426"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09256 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Suffolk"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 12
    		month = june
    		year = 1429
    	}
    	rank = 2
    	movement = 2
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 1
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "William de la Pole, duke of Suffolk - Harfleur 1415, Agincourt 1415, Orléans 1428/9, Jargeau 1429"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09257 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Salisbury"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 17
    		month = august
    		year = 1419
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 29
    		month = october
    		year = 1428
    	}
    	rank = 2
    	movement = 4
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Thomas Montagu, earl of Salisbury - Harfleur 1415, Agincourt 1415, Cravant 1423, Verneuil 1424, Orléans 1428"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09258 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Somerset"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 12
    		month = august
    		year = 1431
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 22
    		month = may
    		year = 1455
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 2
    	fire = 2
    	shock = 2
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Edmund Beaufort, duke of Somerset - Harfleur 1435, St. Albans 1455"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09259 }
    	category = general
    	name = "York"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 22
    		month = may
    		year = 1436
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 20
    		month = october
    		year = 1445
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 2
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark ="Richard Plantagenet, duke of York - Caux 1436, St. Albans 1455, Ludford Bridge 1459, Wakefield 1460"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09260 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Shrewsbury"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 23
    		month = march
    		year = 1445
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 17
    		month = july
    		year = 1453
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 5
    	fire = 6
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "John Talbot, earl of Shrewsbury - fought countless battles from 1400~ to his death at Castillon in 1453"
    }
    
    # Wars of the Roses - Lancastrian
    
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09261 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Northumberland"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 9
    		month = december
    		year = 1452
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 29
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    	}
    	rank = 2
    	movement = 2
    	fire = 2
    	shock = 3
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Henry Percy, 3rd earl of Northumberland - Wakefield 1460, Towton 1461"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09262 }
    	category = general
    	name = "de Clifford"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 22
    		month = may
    		year = 1455
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 28
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    	}
    	rank = 3
    	movement = 2
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 3
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "John Clifford, 9th baron de Clifford - St. Albans 1455, Wakefield 1460, Ferrybridge 1461"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09263 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Somerset"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 9
    		month = february
    		year = 1456
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 15
    		month = may
    		year = 1464
    	}
    	rank = 2
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 2
    	shock = 3
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Edmund Beaufort, 3rd duke of Somerset - St. Albans 1455, Wakefield 1460, Towton 1461, Hexham 1464"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09264 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Pembroke"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 17
    		month = january
    		year = 1457
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = december
    		year = 1495
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = no
    	remark ="Jasper Tudor, earl of Pembroke - Barnet 1470, Tewkesbury 1471, Bosworth Field 1485, Stoke Field 1487"
    }
    
    # Wars of the Roses - Yorkist
    
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09265 }
    	category = monarch
    	name = "Edward IV"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 4
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 9
    		month = april
    		year = 1483
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 4
    	fire = 4
    	shock = 5
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Edward Plantagenet, duke of York - Mortimer's Cross, Towton, Losecoat Field, Barnet, Tewkesbury"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09266 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Warwick"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 4
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 14
    		month = april
    		year = 1471
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 4
    	fire = 2
    	shock = 3
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Richard 'the Kingmaker' Neville, earl of Warwick"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09267 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Hastings"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 4
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 13
    		month = june
    		year = 1483
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 4
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 3
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "William Hastings, baron Hastings, Edward's closest ally"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09268 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Gloucester"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 11
    		month = april
    		year = 1471
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 25
    		month = june
    		year = 1483
    	}
    	rank = 1
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Richard Plantagenet, duke of Gloucester, captured Berwick and Edinburgh in 1482"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09269 }
    	category = general
    	name = "Norfolk"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 18
    		month = january
    		year = 1478
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 1
    		month = october
    		year = 1513
    	}
    	rank = 3
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 0
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Thomas Howard, duke of Norfolk, fought for Richard III at Bosworth, later victor of Flodden Field"
    }
    historicalleader = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 09270 }
    	category = monarch
    	name = "Richard III"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 25
    		month = june
    		year = 1483
    	}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 23
    		month = august
    		year = 1485
    	}
    	rank = 0
    	movement = 3
    	fire = 3
    	shock = 4
    	siege = 1
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Gloucester, after usurping his nephew's throne as King Richard III"
    }

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    Oh, I think it was that England has no core on Gascogne. It had been English since the 13th century so they should I think.

    Just give them a claim, like with Normandy and Calais.

    Ditto for 1419 (not your mod I know, but you can report it) - they can lose all their claims in France with the end of the HYW event.

    EDIT: Also, Iraq is still Sunni and the Timurids' cores seem very random. They're not connected. Is this intentional?
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    Garbon, I've revised my English monarchs somewhat.

    I wanted to try and link back up with historical monarchs, and I generally dislike long lists of fantasy monarchs - so at present it goes Richard II > Edmund Mortimer > Richard of York, then links up with the historical House of York with Edward IV in March 1461.

    I then took a plunge and if you decide to not overthrow Edward V (and get Richard III, Henry VII, etc.) he rules until 1547 (old kings ftw!) and is succeeded by Edward VI (Tudor).

    The Richard III (historical) choice is only available if the WotR have taken place (which require Henry VI) - so you won't get both Richard and his father ruling as Richard III, which would be a sort of bug, cus obviously the son would need to be Richard IV.

    So, the default Plantagenet senior line is: Richard II, Edmund, Richard III, Edward IV, Edward V, Edward VI, Mary, Elizabeth, James, etc.

    If you select Boilingbroke to usurp Richard II (default historical choice) then it goes Richard II, Henry IV, Henry V, Henry VI, Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary, Elizabeth, James, etc.

    The default Yorkist choice (with WotR) without usurping Edward V would be Henry VI, Edward IV, Edward V, Edward VI, Mary, Elizabeth, James, etc - the same as the senior Plantagenet line, as it's essentially the same line, just with a usurpation instead of natural inheritance.

    So the only way to get Henry VII and Henry VIII is either with Boilingbroke (and no WotR, or if WotR, you choose Lancastrians) or if with the WotR and you choose Yorkists and Gloucester usurps Edward V in 1483.

    Simple...

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    How do the Tudors get the throne? Through a sickly child?
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    Well, at present I just linked up with them to make things a bit easier for me (I dislike shit loads of sleep/wake commands) - I'll obviously write event text for this sort of stuff, to explain to the player how it happened.

    But I just planned on having Edward VI as a son of Edward V or something, as opposed to the actual historical Tudor king.

    I guess I could have it so the Tudors get the throne through some sort of freak inheritance, but tbh I'd find it very difficult to justify without the Wars of the Roses, and certainly without Boilingbroke's usurpation.

    Margaret Beaufort had a better claim to the French throne than the English.

    Any suggestions your side of the fence? I just prefer to link back up with historical monarchs - I don't want to have a complete 1389 - 1789 set of monarchs for Richard II's heirs, and then another set for Henry IV's.

    As a rule, I tend to dislike alternative monarchs, I just did quite a lot of the AGCEEP 'cus they were historical/plausible, but with the death of Richard III (and then Margaret Pole in c16) the Plantagenet line is dead, so I don't see how you can just assume various people had kids that survived, and then when they died, etc - they'd essentially be a fantasy line.

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    Well since you mentioned Margaret Beaufort...you could always do some sort of early fight or concession of sorts to the Stuarts via the progeny of Joan Beaufort (wife of James I).
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    Yeah I'm still working it out. It's actually quite confusing because I don't want to have to have duplicate Yorkist monarchs (ie, to wake them during the WotR if I I've already slept them in 1399) - nor do I particularly want Boilingbroke non-dormant as he is obviously a usurper, and Richard II should live longer.

    Nonetheless, ignoring the who is or isn't dormant part, here's my list (which is pretty much finalised) - I mention it because you seem to have a gap in your monarch list, between the coronation of Henry IV and the ascension of Richard of Conisburgh (why have him succeed, and not his elder brother, Edward of Norwich? They both died in 1415 anyway...)

    Out of interest, I would use the date of the usurpation and not the date of the coronation - Edward V for example was never crowned.

    Anyway:

    Code:
    # England #
    
    # House of Plantagenet
    
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04030 }
    	name = "Richard II"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 22
    		month = june
    		year = 1377
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 14
    		month = november
    		year = 1416
    		}
    	DIP = 4
    	ADM = 5
    	MIL = 5
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Tyrant, overthrown by Henry Boilingbroke in September 1399"
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04031 }
    	name = "Edmund"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 14
    		month = november
    		year = 1416
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 18
    		month = january
    		year = 1425
    		}
    	DIP = 4
    	ADM = 5
    	MIL = 3
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Edmund Mortimer, earl of March, Richard II's heir presumptive"
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04032 }
    	name = "Richard III"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 18
    		month = january
    		year = 1425
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 4
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    		}
    	DIP = 5
    	ADM = 5
    	MIL = 6
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "Richard, duke of York, father of Edward IV and Richard III"
    }
    
    # House of Lancaster
    
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04033 }
    	name = "Henry IV"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 29
    		month = september
    		year = 1399
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    		}
    	DIP = 4
    	ADM = 5
    	MIL = 5
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Boilingbroke"
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04034 }
    	name = "Henry V"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = march
    		year = 1413
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 1
    		month = september
    		year = 1422
    		}
    	DIP = 7
    	ADM = 5
    	MIL = 9
    	dormant = yes
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04035 }
    	name = "Henry VI"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 1
    		month = september
    		year = 1422
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 23
    		month = august
    		year = 1485
    		}
    	DIP = 3
    	ADM = 3
    	MIL = 3
    	dormant = yes
    }
    
    # House of York
    
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04036 }
    	name = "Edward IV"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 4
    		month = march
    		year = 1461
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 9
    		month = april
    		year = 1483
    		}
    	DIP = 6
    	ADM = 6
    	MIL = 7
    	dormant = no
    	remark = "The White Rose"
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04037 }
    	name = "Edward V"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 9
    		month = april
    		year = 1483
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 28 
    		month = january
    		year = 1547
    		}
    	DIP = 4
    	ADM = 6
    	MIL = 4
    	dormant = no
    }
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04038 }
    	name = "Richard III"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 25
    		month = june
    		year = 1483
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 23
    		month = august
    		year = 1485
    		}
    	DIP = 2
    	ADM = 6
    	MIL = 7
    	dormant = yes
    	remark = "Infanticide"
    }
    
    # House of Tudor
    
    historicalmonarch = {
    	id = { type = 6 id = 04039 }
    	name = "Henry VII"
    	startdate = {
    		day = 23
    		month = august
    		year = 1485
    		}
    	deathdate = {
    		day = 21
    		month = april
    		year = 1509
    		}
    	DIP = 5
    	ADM = 7
    	MIL = 5
    	dormant = yes
    }

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    Garbonian (to use your adjectival form), how doth thy mod cometh along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbon View Post
    In time for FtG 1.2, Age of Timur v1.1 is now available in the first post of this thread!
    thx, Garbon.
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    You should add EGUFSM shields with 1.2

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    Oh, I have also noticed that the Calais bridgehead event fires at the start of the second two scenarios, when really I suppose it ought to have fired between the first and second.

    Perhaps it would be an idea to sleep the event and have Calais start as English after 1337?

    (I shall post other minor bugs I encounter here, should you wish).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austen View Post
    Oh, I have also noticed that the Calais bridgehead event fires at the start of the second two scenarios, when really I suppose it ought to have fired between the first and second.

    Perhaps it would be an idea to sleep the event and have Calais start as English after 1337?

    (I shall post other minor bugs I encounter here, should you wish).

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    Thanks for pointing that out. Foolish bug that.
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    Have you tried Jamie550's validator? I highly recommend it; I was going to make a list of bugs it found, but it got too long.

    It does raise a number of false positives, but it noticed (for instance) that most of the AI files in revolt.txt are wrong. They point to .ai files that have since been renamed to _ai.txt files.
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    A validated version of AoT is now available. Bug-fixed 1.11 in opening post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
    Have you tried Jamie550's validator? I highly recommend it; I was going to make a list of bugs it found, but it got too long.

    It does raise a number of false positives, but it noticed (for instance) that most of the AI files in revolt.txt are wrong. They point to .ai files that have since been renamed to _ai.txt files.
    AGCEEP point to .ai while vanilla point to _.txt ...............which is correct?

    because AGCEEP play very very good historically from my 10 or so games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toio View Post
    AGCEEP point to .ai while vanilla point to _.txt ...............which is correct?
    Umm... take a look at the AI folder of the mod?
    Vanilla AI is named .txt, AGCEEP AI is named .ai - there is no "correct" extension, I could name my AI files .blah if I felt like it.
    There are some references to AI files that don't exist in AGCEEP by the way, like "peaceful.ai", "default.ai", "seasian.ai", "FRA_HYW.ai", "POR_1419_JoaoI.ai", ...
    Someone really should properly validate AGCEEP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbon View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out. Foolish bug that.
    I still have the same problem with 1.11 - have you held the fix back for 1.2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austen View Post
    I still have the same problem with 1.11 - have you held the fix back for 1.2?

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    It's true that I haven't changed that yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrei Gijgorev View Post
    Umm... take a look at the AI folder of the mod?
    Vanilla AI is named .txt, AGCEEP AI is named .ai - there is no "correct" extension, I could name my AI files .blah if I felt like it.
    There are some references to AI files that don't exist in AGCEEP by the way, like "peaceful.ai", "default.ai", "seasian.ai", "FRA_HYW.ai", "POR_1419_JoaoI.ai", ...
    Someone really should properly validate AGCEEP.
    originally all AGCEEP ( most) where named after a reigning monarch of that nation, about 3 years ago, they where changed to what we have. The peaceful, GEN and others might be vanilla default leftovers.

    as far as I am concerned , my AGCEEP games, be them 1.2 and the beta one works properly with the ai that are present now.........I do not know about vanilla because I have never looked at it, besides, I did not like what they did to vanilla files which was to use AGCEEP ones and change them.
    Try to fix them, good luck when you have no target to aim for.

    I will work on AGCEEP when 1.58 is uploaded as i did a lot of work on 1.58.
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