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    Quote Originally Posted by jju_57 View Post
    Whatever you do don't update to the new 2.04c beta patch as that one is supposed to make the SU into a real bear.
    I just played through '41 as Germany, 2.04c. Began 1 May w/100 divs, BP fired on 27 OCT. SU still a kitten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrell8 View Post
    Congrats on the first post, Stabber!
    Thank you mate. I've been lurking the forums for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarayakat View Post
    I just played through '41 as Germany, 2.04c. Began 1 May w/100 divs, BP fired on 27 OCT. SU still a kitten.
    Yea, I posted the results in the beta thread about my game. Started on May 12th and in 60 days bascially destroyed the red army and next to Moscow/Lenningrad and no trrops to stop me from getting to Stalingrad and beyond. Only slow thing now is moving the units and getting fuel to the lead panzers.

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    This AAR was a real eye opener. In the past I have viewed the AI modes with great suspicion, but having read some 32 pages I decided to give it a go. I loaded up UK (version 1.4, vanilla) and tried my luck as a clerk.

    There was a few things that really got to me.

    Airpower - Having read the apparent success Uriah had in his game I researched TAC and INT as fast as I could. The result during Germanys attack on France peaked at 2095 casualties per day. I grouped the TAC and fighters into 2 units per wing. (the AI seems to do better with more small units, than fewer larger ones) The AI shifted focus several times per day, often ganging up with two wings (4TAC's) on retreating Germans knocking 400 off the board.

    Land Forces- I focused on infantry research as some of the best combat events fall into this category, and the UK cannot afford many builds before hostility begins. So I designed my divisions with some straight 3xInf some 3xInf 1xArt and finally 2xInf 2xArt. The AI managed to play to the strengths of the various divisions.

    What amazed me was how fast the German Manpower withered away. 2-4 Manpower per day. When I joined in on the action the Germans had 668 MP. When we had pushed them back through Benelux and Stuttgart their manpower was down to 452.

    My own losses were moderate, a steady build of MP and Officers. I was free to study my next moves. I could do the strategic decisions and my AI Armies (that was where I let the AI work) took care of the Operational and Tactical level.

    So thank you Uriah for a fun story, and interesting insights. (Now I will drop back to page 32 and see how the western battle fares)

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    A Clerk’s War



    December 1940


    As the end of the year drew closer, the war seemed to recede from the centre stage it had occupied for the past 18 months. Perhaps our major allies, Japan and Italy, would not agree, but both of them have ongoing campaigns. For us, other than the near continuous battle for control of the air over the Channel and intermittent bombing raids on the Ruhr, the war was on hold.

    That is not to say that people were not busy. As I mentioned before, the Führer has requested an end of year summary from his Cabinet ministers, and there is a frenzy of activity across Berlin as every Ministry tries to outdo the others in showing how efficient and efficacious it has been. And there are always the normal administrative tasks of the Reich, vastly expanded now that we have extended our borders to the Atlantic and into the Balkans.

    Not to forget the Wehrmacht’s preparations for Barbarossa. When General von den Hagen left for Spain to take command of the newly formed 1st Sicherungskorps, it was a sign that the handover of security of inland Spain was complete. General Kaspar was appointed to another new unit: the Iberian Army of the Interior. Although the army currently only has 5 divisions (285th and 389th Sicherung, 148th Reserve and 325th and 400th Ersatz) it is expected to grow, and more regular army divisions will head east to Poland or Romania. In the east, 1st and 2nd Gebirgsjägerkorps have been attached to the Österreich Army.

    There was some activity early in the month, but it just showed the need to keep a close eye on the occupied provinces. A rebel group seized Kolding in Danemark but von Kluge’s IX Armeekorps had the situation well under control. Within two days General von Eimannsberger had forced the partisans to battle. It took five days to put down the uprising, but it was achieved with only 29 casualties to 29.Infanterie Division. More than six hundred of the rebels were killed.



    Battle of Kolding



    Some of the Danish resistance fighters: Borgerliger Partisaner


    The day that our troops moved into Kolding was also the day that Minister Goebbels reported a surge of volunteers across the country. Recruiting is up 10%! This news is very welcome, as every young man will be needed: 72.Infanterie (mot) left its training grounds the same day, heading east to join 4th Panzerkorps. Another motorised division is to be formed, but this one will have a new design. It will have only two motorised infantry brigades, a regiment of Marder IIIM tank destroyers and a self-propelled artillery regiment equipped with the Sturmpanzer 38(t) “Grille”. It should be ready for evaluation by the middle of next year: it is hoped that this model will decrease the drain on our manpower reserves.



    The Marder IIIM: a regiment of these will form part of the new motorised infantry division.


    The rest of the Reich was at peace, though Newall’s bombers again inflicted minor damage on Dortmund until the number of losses forced the RAF Strategic Command to halt operations again. The seas around France and Spain saw several air battles, as did the Channel Coast, but otherwise the first two weeks were quiet.

    Spain saw further changes: 93.Infanterie arrived at Bilbao and 94.Infanterie took over security at Oviedo. Both of these are so-called “Coastal” divisions with a rocket regiment replacing one of the standard three infantry brigades. Their arrival meant that 86.Infanterie was detached from the Iberian Army and sent to Sensburg in East Prussia. A new infantry division, von der Chevallerie’s 95.Infanterie is waiting in Allenstein, presumably to be incorporated into a new Armeekorps when 86.Infanterie arrives.

    Other occupied countries are also seeing preparations for the withdrawal of regular troops: Pristina is now home to 2nd Kossaken-Kavellerie Division and 3rd Kavellerie Division has been sent to Cluj.

    Some of the free factory space has been allowed to be used for upgrading existing units, but equipment for two more infantry divisions has been ordered.

    On the 10th December, another diplomatic coup by von Ribbentrop. Persia has been wooed from the British and has accepted our invitation to join the Axis. We now have not only a potential southern front on Russia, but also a border with Iraq, whose infantry have been causing our Italian allies so much grief in Libia. The Foreign Ministry is advising caution, however. Persia’s military is very weak, with the army consisting of just 11 infantry brigades. (Though surprisingly it can call on 8 anti-aircraft regiments). It is essential that we wait for the right moment before committing Persia to war, otherwise we risk seeing it crushed.



    Our new allies are not expected to greatly boost our offensive power: a Persian CKD AH-IV tankette shows its abilities at a military demonstration for the Shah.


    On the 25th the Luftwaffe received a present: its missing interceptor geschwader. At last every Jagdfliegerkorps has its full complement of three geschwader, as JG 10 “Wotan” left for Madrid to join 4th Jagdfliegerkorps. Most of the industrial capacity was diverted to upgrading equipment, but a couple of factories were instructed to construct additional anti-air guns and concrete for a new Flakturm at Dortmund.

    Towards the end of the month, Kreß von Kressenstein handed over responsibility for Tarragona to General Behschnitt and 96.Infanterie Division, fresh from the Berlin training grounds. 30.Infanterie and its veteran commander immediately left for Königsberg. Hardly had the troops crossed into Frankreich when word came that guerrillas had taken over the province of Guardo. The rebels had not chosen their time well. General von Böckman has let it be known he is not too happy being placed on guard duty in Ovideo: he has a reputation for preferring offensive action. As soon as he heard that Guardo held the chance for him to display his abilities he was off, force marching 94.Infanterie south along the roads that were mercifully still dry and hard. No snow yet in northern Spain. Arriving in Guardo on Weihnachten he immediately engaged the rebel army, despite being outnumbered. (As mentioned before, 94.Infanterie is a coastal division with only two infantry brigades). Perhaps von Böckman is wasted in Spain: he used his rocket regiment to decimate the Spanish irregulars and claimed victory on 29th December. He lost just 17 men, while the Spanish left 691 men on the battlefield.

    As the due date for the “Führer Summary” approached, tension mounted in every administrative office in Berlin. In Dortmund though, it was back to the shelters as the Luftwaffe again fought to defend the city from attack from the RAF. This time the Jagdkorps was determined to inflict as much damage on the enemy as possible. Not satisfied with destroying 29 of Newall’s 4-engine bombers over the Reich, Bogatsch’s 5th Jagdfliegerkorps pursued the intruders back to their base at Dover. As normal, scores of British fighters rose up from nearby airfields to protect the bombers: when slowing and descending to make their landings the bombers are at their most vulnerable. At this moment the Luftwaffe’s plan swung into action. Bogatsch’s interceptors, running low on fuel and ammunition, peeled off their attack and were replaced by Felmy’s 2nd Jagdfliegerkorps.



    Air Battle of Dover: 3PM 28th December. Felmy’s three geschwader, fresh and fully fuelled and armed, take on the Spitfires to further punish Newall’s bombers.


    After an hour of furious dogfights during which few of Newall’s bombers were able to land, Felmy withdrew allowing Fisser to take over the task of bleeding the RAF dry. 7th Jagdfliegerkorps maintained the unrelenting attacks on the British, and Newall’s bombers, critically low on fuel, were forced to land while under attack. The RAF’s fighters were not neglected, with No.212 Squadron below 25% of its operational strength.



    Air Battle of Dover: 7PM 28th December. Fisser with 7th Jagdfliegerkorps maintains the pressure on the RAF


    If the British thought that the Luftwaffe would call off the attack when darkness fell and the bombers were safely on the ground, they were mistaken. At 11PM Klepke arrived over Dover, 1st Jagdfliegerkorps keen to finish the job of destroying the RAF’s ability to contest the sky. Although not at full strength, 1st Jagdfliegerkorps still had a significant numerical advantage over the weary defenders. When the last of our fighters finally headed for home, the Luftwaffe estimated that we had destroyed at least 48 strategic bombers and 26 fighters. Our losses were not available, but are estimated at less than a dozen aircraft. A good end to the year for the Luftwaffe: 1940 has seen a complete turnaround and it is now the Luftwaffe in control.



    Air Battle of Dover: 11PM 28th Dover. Klepke and his Messerschmitts arrive to finish the job of crippling the RAF.


    The end of the year also saw another volunteer SS unit formed, 7th Freiwilligen Gebirgsjäger Division “Prinz Eugen”. Nearly all its troops are from Serbia, Croatia, Romania and Hungary. Large numbers of the Heer are now drawn from Volkdeutsche in the occupied territories, reducing the drain on the Reich’s manpower. With a commander with an engineering background (General Kurtze), “Prinz Eugen” was sent to Romania to join 2nd Gebirgsjägerkorps, no doubt to begin training in assaulting fortifications. The factory workers were to have no rest, however, as orders for vehicles to fit a complete panzer division were already in place.



    Members of the “Prinz Eugen” Division parade through their home town in Croatia before leaving for Romania with the rest of the division.


    On the last day of the year, two movement orders were issued, just to keep the Luftwaffe ground crews busy. Löhr’s2nd Schlachtfliegerkorps is to rebase to Memel while Heller’s never-used 7th Kampffliegerkorps is on its way to Krákow.

    You may have wondered why there was no mention of technical and scientific advancement during December. Surely the Reich’s researchers were not on holiday? (Though some of them probably need a rest – they have been working without respite for four years now.) The reason I have not included them in my normal report is that there were just too many. I felt it best to include a summary for the month.

    The first project completed in December was an analysis of “Spearhead Doctrine”. The Heer believes that with the knowledge gained from this study we will be able to concentrate more troops into the same frontage during battles, hopefully giving us an edge. Next was a theoretical appraisal of Blitzkrieg tactics which will increase the level of organisation in our panzer units. Then was the turn of the Luftwaffe, with the much needed delivery of Fighter Ground Control procedures which increase the co-operation between our pilots and ground based radar. Mass Assault theory promises to increase the morale of our infantry units, while increasing the likelihood of co-ordinating a full scale attack. New light artillery and anti-tank guns for our militia will give them a slightly better ability to handle real combat, while our naval pilots have been calling for new naval strike tactics for some time. Operational Level Organisation will dramatically reduce the time needed to recover after an attack, and Integrated Support will provide the back-up our specialist units need while at the same time increasing our ability to encircle the enemy. The final project of the month was the development of improved ammunition for our rocket artillery.



    A diagram of the new Nebelwerfer 150mm ammunition


    Projects started this month are included in Minister Goebbel’s report below, but I was interested to see that one of them envisages the creation of a mechanised infantry force, able to move off-road while still protected in their vehicles. Can we afford this? As an ex-infantryman I support anything that reduces marching and puts a layer of steel between me and the enemy, but this would be enormously expensive to construct, and would consume a lot of our precious fuel reserves.



    We have some small units equipped with mechanised transport, such as these Sdkfz 6 half-tracks used in Poland, France and Spain, but the mechanised infantry project will study the possibility of whole regiments riding to battle on improved half-track vehicles.



    Unterseebootsflotte Activity Report

    During December, we sank 41 British ships and 5 of their escorts. We also sank 2 Irish ships and 2 of their escorts and a New Zealand freighter.


    Axis Military Activity Maps



    Greece: although supply is not a problem, it seems there will be no Italian winter offensive.



    Libia: the Army of Libia has been dealt a defeat in Al ‘Uqaylah and is retreating. Supply is plentiful, however, and the Italians still have a considerable advantage in numbers, so we are hopeful this is just a temporary setback.



    China: The Imperial Japanese Army is advancing along the front. What began very slowly is now accelerating, and our liaison officers in China report the Japanese High Command believes it has the Kuomintang and its allies on the run.



    Indo-China: Although not attacking, General Tsuda is tying up large numbers of Guangxi troops. The arrival of the Sasebo Marines under General Yoshihara may indicate that a new offensive is planned.


    The culmination of the month (in fact of the whole year) was the compilation of the Führer’s summary of the State of the Reich 1940. Each Minister handed his report to the Reichskanzlei where it was edited down to the most basic (and important) details before inclusion in a loose leaf folder. This edited summary was presented to the Führer: he has stated many times that if information cannot be given to him on a single page then he is not interested. Of course a copy was sent for filing, and it is open in front of me as I write this journal late at night on 31st December 1940.

    The Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop leads off the report. He mentions the diplomatic coup of the year, Persia’s decision to join the Axis powers, but most of his paper discusses the position of the USA. Despite our best efforts, the USA is slowly growing closer to Britain and its allies, and it is evident that von Ribbentrop considers it inevitable that President Roosevelt will eventually bring the USA into the war on Britain’s side. All we can do is to delay this as long as possible. Otherwise all is well: the bulk of the neutral countries remain just that: neutral. Most importantly, the Russians have failed to attract allies: other than Sinkiang, Tannu Tuva and Mongolia it is alone.



    A standardised map of the relationship between the world’s nations, developed and used by the Foreign Ministry. The relationship with the USA has been emphasised to show how it is being pulled into the sphere of influence of the United Kingdom.


    Next was the Armaments Minister, Hjalmar Schacht. He proudly announced that the Reich’s production was now the equivalent of 435 industrial complexes, and that due to our huge stockpiles of raw materials we are able to use every factory at full capacity. We consume more steel and some rare materials such as rubber and aluminium than we produce, but the shortfall is tiny and we have enough stores to last for years.

    At present our factories are fulfilling the following contracts:

    Aircraft Carriers: 1
    Zerstörergeschwader: 1
    Infrastructure improvements in occupied territories: 60
    Panzer Divisions: 2
    Motorised Infantry Divisions: 7
    Light Cruisers: 1
    Schwere Panzer Divisions: 2
    Air Bases: 3
    Interceptor geschwader: 1
    Cavalry Divisions: 2
    Kampffliegergeschwader: 2
    Infantry Divisions: 3
    Radar Installations: 3
    Schlachtfliegergeschwader: 2
    Garrison Divisions: 1
    Anti-aircraft Installations: 1
    Fighter geschwader: 1

    After that impressive list, there was little for Minister Schacht to add.



    The Armaments Ministry chart of production and materials


    As Minister for Security, Joseph Goebbels also has responsibility for the nation’s morale and management of our primary asset: our people. He reported that despite the RAF’s bombing campaign and the loss of several convoys off the coast of Spain, that National Unity is still high at 89%. Our manpower reserves are a concern, but with 864,000 young men available we still have a substantial capacity to increase the Wehrmacht. The good news is that nearly 48,000 men are added to that number each month, replacing those called up for new units or to replace losses in battle.

    The Minister reported that critical attention is being given to the management of our most gifted youth, ensuring that the demands of our research institutes, security and intelligence agencies and diplomatic corps are being met. Not forgetting of course, the need for thousands of capable officers for the Wehrmacht. The reports claims that at present we have 35 active research projects all of which are fully staffed, that the intelligence and security receive 4 potential agents per day, and that the Foreign Ministry’s diplomat schools receive 2 candidates per day. The Wehrmacht’s demands are surprisingly low, but the paper explains that we have determined the maximum level of officer efficiency is 140% of standard complement. At present we have 137% and with officer schools taking just over 4 new applicants per day we can maintain or slightly improve that level. There was a footnote: should losses in the forthcoming war with Russia cause this ratio to drop then consideration would be given to calling up some of our research personnel to replace the lost officers. It is possible, however, that our diplomatic efforts to keep the USA neutral may fail. If this occurs, the Foreign Ministry has agreed to close its training facilities for the duration of the war, effectively donating its share of our future leaders to the Wehrmacht.

    An attached sheet shows the 35 projects currently funded by the Reich, listed in order of commencement.

    Supply Organisation 4
    Coal to Oil Conversion 3
    Agriculture 7
    Rare Material Refining Techniques 3
    Rocket Engine
    Combined Arms Warfare
    TAC Pilot Training 4
    TAC Ground Crew Training 4
    Mobile Warfare 4
    CAS Pilot Training 4
    Operational Level Command Structure 4
    Tactical Air Command 4
    Tactical Command Structure 3
    People’s Army 4
    Special Forces 4
    Human Wave
    Central Planning 4
    Large Front 4
    Light Bomb Development 2
    CAS Ground Crew Training 4
    Medium Bomb 2
    Logistical Strike Tactics 4
    Supply Transportation 4
    Medium Air Search Radar 4
    Ground Attack Tactics: 4
    Guerrilla Warfare 4
    Assault Concentration 4
    Forward Air Control 4
    Rocket Carriage and Sights 4
    Heavy Bomber Pilot Training 4
    Small Arms 5
    Light Artillery 5
    Elastic Defence 4
    Mechanised Infantry
    Civil Defence 3

    Goebbels finishes his report with a dig at my Minister, Wilhelm Frick. We are still losing about 2% of our research work to enemy spies, and the Minster of Security points out that this is beyond his control: overseas spies are the responsibility of the Head of Intelligence.

    Not surprisingly, Herr Frick does not directly address the subject of spies impacting our research efforts, though he does mention that not one factory has reported enemy sabotage. He points to the fact that despite cutbacks in funding his organisation still maintains 60 spy networks overseas, including no less than 8 in the USA. He also mentions that he has increased the number of cells in the USSR to 4, after our intelligence networks in Russia were eliminated by the GUGB (Glavnoe Upravlenie Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti – the Russian Main Directorate of State Security). Buried in the detail is the news that we are down to just two spy groups in the whole of the United Kingdom: there have been a procession of trials at the Old Bailey and many of our agents have been awarded posthumous decorations.



    A depressing end for so many of our agents: the front gate of the Central Criminal Court in London: “The Old Bailey”.


    At home, we have 10 separate agencies, all dedicated to counter-intelligence. They are assisted by some Italian counter-intelligence experts, and claim to have eradicated every enemy operative, other than a British group which has infiltrated our research organisations. According to the report, it is only a matter of time until we locate and eliminate those responsible for delaying our projects.

    The Chief of Staff, Fritz Bayerlein, was brief and to the point. We currently have 81,294,000 tonnes of military supplies available. At our current production rate this should last for several years of intense warfare. It is possible that unexpected demands could cause this situation to change, but he expects that Minister Schacht would be able to re-arrange production to cover this. Supply wastage and costs due to poor transportation in occupied Russia are expected to be high, but we have trained a work force that is able to quickly upgrade such infrastructure, and provision is being made to fund a massive amount of railway and road construction as our armies advance.

    Fuel, which was expected to be a problem, appears to be under control. Our storage facilities are nearly at full capacity (1 million tonnes). Unprocessed oil is at nearly half capacity (500,000 tonnes) and while home production of crude oil is low (even with the Romanian oilfields) we have had some success in coal to oil technology. Our scientists are working on improving this. He also notes that at present we export 130 tonnes of fuel per day to Japan. While it is no doubt beneficial to us to ensure that Japan has sufficient fuel to power its navy and air-force (the IJA has few motorised units) if necessary we can cancel these contracts. There is one word of warning: even our best estimates of fuel consumption after Barbarossa begins may be too low. Bayerlein reminds us that most new additions to the Wehrmacht have high fuel consumption, and that keeping a mobile Heer advancing through hostile terrain will be a huge drain on our reserves.



    An operator in one of our early coal to oil conversion plants: we are seeking to vastly increase our ability to produce our own fuel, although it is generally accepted that we will never be self sufficient.


    In his conclusion, Bayerlein recommends that every opportunity to study supply and fuel production, efficiency and transport must be taken.

    General von Blomberg proudly announced that as of 31st December 1940, the Heer had a total of 534 regiments. His report was extremely short. He included a breakdown of the Heer, and pointed out that most units were provided with the most advanced equipment. He estimates that the Heer will be able to commit nearly 150 divisions to Unternehmen Barbarossa when it begins in late spring.



    The Heer


    Minister Göring, of course, could not resist the opportunity to extol the glory of his Luftwaffe. I think the staff with the responsibility of editing his submission to the Führer report had some difficulty shortening his document. He does point out that while the Luftwaffe will be able to provide more than 20 bomber geschwader for Barbarossa, there could be problems with space at forward airbases. This will be exacerbated when we advance deep into Russia. He has been in discussions with Fritz Bayerlein to ensure that we have some ready built airbases for installation, and that captured airbases can be restored to full use as soon as possible. There is also some concern about fuel and supplies to forward airbases: our experience in Spain showed that many of our air units were not used as they could not be fuelled or armed when they moved in range of the front line.



    The Luftwaffe


    Großadmiral Raeder is certainly travelling. He has left the Nordseeflotte in Gibraltar (repairing damage sustained during the Battle of the Gulf of Sidra) and flown to Berlin to ensure that the Kriegsmarine meets its reporting obligations. His report states that his ships are ready to assist the Heer in the forthcoming battle by clearing the Ostsee of enemy forces and landing units in the enemy rear. He also commits to continuing the crippling of the British economy with our Unterseebootsflotten and contesting the Royal Navy’s control of the Mittelmeer. Finally, should the British or their allies attempt an invasion mainland Europe, the Kreigsmarine stands ready to inflict such heavy casualties that such an attempt will be destroyed on the beaches.

    It is an extraordinary list of tasks for what is still, by world standards, a small navy. Perhaps that is the intent: Raeder finishes with an impassioned plea for more resources, even at the cost of the Heer and the Luftwaffe. I think he faces an uphill battle, but it is possible the Führer could approve another carrier and most senior Wehrmacht officers accept that our Zerstörergeschwader losses must be replaced. Should the USA join the Allies then it is likely the importance of the Kreigsmarine will increase rapidly and a spate of ship and submarine building will commence.



    The Kriegsmarine


    The summaries certainly made interesting reading. The Reich has come a long way since the plans for expansion were laid down in January 1936. But this year we will face our most crucial test: we will take on the largest army in the world, and do battle with our fiercest foe. Even with our technological advantages, will we be able to do what Napoleon could not?

    Shutting the file, I completed the last few entries to my journal for the year and headed out to join Gisela and the rest of Berlin to celebrate the end of 1940 and the beginning of 1941. Gutes neue Jahr!

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    Nice read! I've always been curious...what mods are you using for your map and battle backgrounds? My game doesn't look anywhere near as nice as what's in your screenshots. I apologize if this has been asked before; I'd do a search, but PI disabled the forum's search function about 3 weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weissbrot View Post
    Actually it is a gaming room, not a game room. But yeah, we do like to create complicated new words out of old ones by combining, rearranging and declining them...
    Could be worse though, in french it is probably called 'room-where-your-spend-your-time-playing-games'...
    French I think would be salle-de-jeux: but I await correction by the natives!

    I like the way German makes words by stringing smaller ones together: the only problem I have is that I can't understand the rules that govern it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    The threat increases when too many troops are on the border, the AI will react brutally. And suicide by breaking the NAP and dowing you.
    One provinces behind the borders ought to be fine.
    I am pretty sure that the AI can't break the M-R Pact for 2 years and that doesn't expire until April 1941. If I am wrong, I'll find out soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Baltasar View Post
    You may want to reconsider your plans regarding the 5 regiment strike divisions, bar special forces like Marines etc. of which you always will only have a handfull anyways. I do have considerable doubts in the OKW (read: AI) ability to handle different types of divisions let alone different kinds with different strengths.

    The comment about the upgrading was directed exclusively towards the Luftwaffe, the boys on the ground surely need the best equipment possible and they need it right now.
    I was thinking of concetrating on my strike units: say the panzers and accompanying motorised, Gebirgers (against forts and in rough terrain) and, when I make some, mechanised. I still have an open mind on the AI, sometimes it does OK, sometimes it is an ass. It does love to send tanks into cities, but it also sends Gebirgers into mountains.

    Quote Originally Posted by jju_57 View Post
    Whatever you do don't update to the new 2.04c beta patch as that one is supposed to make the SU into a real bear.
    I already updated weeks ago. So we'll soon see.

    Quote Originally Posted by jju_57 View Post
    Oh no! The sun stops shinning just because its night by you? Poor souls half way around the world never get sunshine. I guess that explains the foul mood here in the states and all the snow.
    Yes, while we sleep the sun rests and all the rain falls. When we get up the sun is shining and not a cloud in the sky. That is why we are always so happy and cheerful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriah View Post
    I thought the AI would not break the NAP? I know that after the expiry date there is a chance of an attack if I am too threatening, but are you sure the computer can break a pact?

    <snip>

    Thanks : I thought that might be it but in Englsih it would be a "games room" and not a game room". There is a shocking lack of consistency in the world's languages. Babel has a lot to answer for.

    <snip>

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    After the initial period, the NA seems to run until one side or the other decides to end it. I am pretty sure there is a minimum safe period, but I am not sure if that is 2 or 3 years, probably 2.

    Here in the States we call it a game room. Most of ours spouses would call it a mess and a waste of space.

    Glad to see you back on line.
    Thaks Forster. Your comments re NAPs agree with the way I think they work. My wife calls it a games room but is constatly trying to use it as a store room and dress cutting room. Hence the scissors etc in the photo.

    And it is my daughters who are glad we are back on-line. With no cable TV, no internet, no Facebook - they claimed we were living in the Stone Age. I believe they were about to approach the United Nations claiming child neglect.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki100 View Post
    The M-R NAP works on a sliding scale. For the start neither side can attack unless they have real superiority over the border (ie the other fails to garrison), then its evens, then for the last 6-9 months its a lot less. Its designed so a pact signed on the historic date expires in early June 1941, but a war is possible early in 41 if one side is weak (stops a USSR player setting everything up too deep). I can't find back the event file that sets this out so can't check, but in effect the thing expires around 18 months after its been signed. I seem to recall that Uriah had quite an early Polish war so odds on the MR will fade away early in 41 in this game. At that stage, its very unlikely the Soviet AI will go to war (that tends to wait till 43).
    At least some-one seems to know how the game works!

    So on that basis I am safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dáin View Post
    I assume the occupation of Gibraltar lengthened British supply routes. Together with their failure in ASW so far, this should theoretically have lead to a worsened supply situation for the Army of Egypt. Which would explain why the Italians were able to push forward - the Italian AI didn't grow a backbone all of a sudden, no, the British defense collapsed!
    Of course, that's only my assumption. I've no idea if that is actually true.
    I don't know if it is correct: if I get time I'll load as the British at a date following the fall of Gibraltar and check. (I know I have said I won't cheat but I don't think looking at the other side a month ago will be too informative).

    Quote Originally Posted by Stabber View Post
    Hmmm. I'm only on page 16. However I have read them straight. That black liquid is doing it's best to keep me going, but the story itself is a much stronger agent.

    I love the way you teed up the game before hostillities in building what you want, rather than gaming it.

    Keep up the brilliant work.
    Thanks Stabber and welcome to the never-ending story. 16 pages down, a hundred to go! I went and had a look a page 16 - it seems so long ago I can just remember writing it.

    As for the preparation: I think I love the planning and building at least as much as the actual fighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrell8 View Post
    Congrats on the first post, Stabber!
    Quote Originally Posted by soulking View Post
    Excellent update! One the 3rd image, it says that the Naval Battle at Sidra was between the Royal Navy and the Italian Royal Navy - were the majority of your ships Italian?
    That damn Mussolini, always trying to claim the credit. I can state categorically that not one Italian ship was involved in that heroic naval action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baltasar View Post
    soulking, the popups just tell us what happened historically in that place / battle. As a player you can only change the outcome, not the participants mentioned in the popup.
    Shhh! I am trying to maintain the mood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarayakat View Post
    I just played through '41 as Germany, 2.04c. Began 1 May w/100 divs, BP fired on 27 OCT. SU still a kitten.
    Don'tforget I gave the SU a bit of a boost some years ago: it might come back to bite me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stabber View Post
    Thank you mate. I've been lurking the forums for a long time.
    I think I lurked for about 5 years before I made my first post.

    Quote Originally Posted by jju_57 View Post
    Yea, I posted the results in the beta thread about my game. Started on May 12th and in 60 days bascially destroyed the red army and next to Moscow/Lenningrad and no trrops to stop me from getting to Stalingrad and beyond. Only slow thing now is moving the units and getting fuel to the lead panzers.
    I am making no promises: it could be embarrassing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stabber View Post
    This AAR was a real eye opener. In the past I have viewed the AI modes with great suspicion, but having read some 32 pages I decided to give it a go. I loaded up UK (version 1.4, vanilla) and tried my luck as a clerk.

    There was a few things that really got to me.

    Airpower - Having read the apparent success Uriah had in his game I researched TAC and INT as fast as I could. The result during Germanys attack on France peaked at 2095 casualties per day. I grouped the TAC and fighters into 2 units per wing. (the AI seems to do better with more small units, than fewer larger ones) The AI shifted focus several times per day, often ganging up with two wings (4TAC's) on retreating Germans knocking 400 off the board.

    Land Forces- I focused on infantry research as some of the best combat events fall into this category, and the UK cannot afford many builds before hostility begins. So I designed my divisions with some straight 3xInf some 3xInf 1xArt and finally 2xInf 2xArt. The AI managed to play to the strengths of the various divisions.

    What amazed me was how fast the German Manpower withered away. 2-4 Manpower per day. When I joined in on the action the Germans had 668 MP. When we had pushed them back through Benelux and Stuttgart their manpower was down to 452.

    My own losses were moderate, a steady build of MP and Officers. I was free to study my next moves. I could do the strategic decisions and my AI Armies (that was where I let the AI work) took care of the Operational and Tactical level.

    So thank you Uriah for a fun story, and interesting insights. (Now I will drop back to page 32 and see how the western battle fares)
    thanks Stabber: having played this game using the AI I don't think I could go back to micromanagement unless playing on Very Hard. It seems much more realistic hoping that you divisions will do as you want, watching them react to changes, praying that your airforce will bomb the right targets etc.

    I think that planning every move and order now would become tedious.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBromgrev View Post
    Nice read! I've always been curious...what mods are you using for your map and battle backgrounds? My game doesn't look anywhere near as nice as what's in your screenshots. I apologize if this has been asked before; I'd do a search, but PI disabled the forum's search function about 3 weeks ago.
    http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...1#post10118644

    That should be the link to Modestus's Retextured Map Mod. If it doesn't work then you can easilty find it in the Mods sub-forum.

    Just remembered: I put all these on page one of this AAR: just remember I don't use the LandIcons any more as they won't work with the Map mod after the last patch.

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    Eh, I don't like fighting as the Germans in Barbarossa. The problem is first, horrendous supply, and second, very little opportunity for strategic trickery other than surrounding Soviet Units with faster and superior motorized Infantry. It doesn't really offer much in the use of paratroopers or Marines, except for starting minor secondary fronts, that are quickly reached by the main force.

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    nice air tactics you used against the UK - was that all set up by the AI, if so it was pretty neat

    re US, looks like they'll sit out for quite a while - its not just alignment its also perceived threat vs neutrality. The AI UK can't work out how to deal with this aspect (at least thats my observation) so US will not see the need to join, the thing that can change this is if Japan goes off on a spree (& in 2.04c it has a taste for its own independent war vs the allies) then that may raise the threat to the US to the point where they think about joining in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe27 View Post
    Eh, I don't like fighting as the Germans in Barbarossa. The problem is first, horrendous supply, and second, very little opportunity for strategic trickery other than surrounding Soviet Units with faster and superior motorized Infantry. It doesn't really offer much in the use of paratroopers or Marines, except for starting minor secondary fronts, that are quickly reached by the main force.
    I have always realised that supply will be critical - I have invested a mountain of IC and research to making sure I am as prepared as can be. As for Barbarossa - I am curious as to how my AI controlled armies will perform. I hope to achieve some "Kesselschlachts" but that will depend on my ability I suppose. My intell shows a v. large number of Russians in front of me.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki100 View Post
    nice air tactics you used against the UK - was that all set up by the AI, if so it was pretty neat

    re US, looks like they'll sit out for quite a while - its not just alignment its also perceived threat vs neutrality. The AI UK can't work out how to deal with this aspect (at least thats my observation) so US will not see the need to join, the thing that can change this is if Japan goes off on a spree (& in 2.04c it has a taste for its own independent war vs the allies) then that may raise the threat to the US to the point where they think about joining in.
    That was definitely the AI. The reason I included it was because I thought it was very well done. (There were about a dozen air battles in December but I glossed over them). It is only because I take a screenshot of each battle that I noticed that the Luftwaffe units changed every time.

    I know that it is not alignment alone that determines whether a country jois a faction but I can never work out exactly how threat builds up. Sometimes I think a country is OK them a few weeks later my threat level has escalated. I had a worry that decalring war against the USSR would push my threat level for the USA too high. If you think it will take some aggressive action by Japan then that is fine. But I'll still keep an eye out!

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    The USSR produced 57,224 T-34 tanks of various specifications during the WW2 timeline. 44,900 became scrap metal (aka destroyed).
    Total USSR AFV 1941-45 losses were 96.600. War winning tank much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriah View Post
    I know that it is not alignment alone that determines whether a country jois a faction but I can never work out exactly how threat builds up. Sometimes I think a country is OK them a few weeks later my threat level has escalated. I had a worry that decalring war against the USSR would push my threat level for the USA too high. If you think it will take some aggressive action by Japan then that is fine. But I'll still keep an eye out!
    I'm not utterly sure either ... so may not be your most trustworthy commentator. In my current (Soviet) game, US has little interest in the doings of Germany even after the invasion of the USSR - but then my AI Germany has not invaded Spain, Yugoslavia or Rumania (so all that will add in). It still seems as if the continental modifier on threat makes the actions of Japan of more immediate impact than those of Germany. So I've not seen the US perception of threat alter significantly around Germany's actions, but it does see the Soviets and Japan as some sort of threat - but not really enough to breach its neutrality limit (thats the key when both US & UK are AI at the moment - that US neutrality doesn't seem to shift downwards).
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    Why so few panzers`?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriah View Post
    I like the way German makes words by stringing smaller ones together: the only problem I have is that I can't understand the rules that govern it.
    Err.. rules? We're really just putting them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    Why so few panzers`?
    16 ARM regiments
    8 LARM regiments

    Another two tank divisions and two heavy tank divisions being buit. Should be enough for really. They'll suck up vast quantities of supplies and fuel in low infrastructure areas..

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    Great report! You may need those 150 divs if you "improved" the USSR. I just launched a Barbarossa in spring of '42 (which I have done before without too much difficulty) and got stomped with the 2.04c. It was wonderful. Definitely looking forward to the big event.

    Regarding Athens - I've found the AI to be fairly opportunistic about attacking. If you drop some paras onto the Athens the Italians may well advance in support.

    Question - This may have been asked before, but will you be calling in your European minor allies for the attack on Russia?
    Hodor.

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    Is the SU a kiten or bear. The answer is that it depends on if you encircle and destroy their units or simply just push them back. Human micro-manged attacks can easily surround the red army and the fight is a cakewalk after this phase. But most AI battles results in a german loss. I have a bad feeling that a AI lead fight at army level or above will fall into this category. All the recent buffs (2.04c etc) help the SU if they have an army to fight with. That will be the key.

    Bottom line is if you can get your AI lead army to encircle troops you should win. Else expect a long bloddy fight where you will lose.

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    In my game (ICE on Normal) I've just played Barbarossa to late 1941. I started on 22 June and did not get any surprise benefits. I manually set the first battles (the AI does a horrible job on a continuous line of stacked divisions but a human attacks from many provinces into a single target and misses some provinces altogether. After the first round of battles (less than 1 week) I activated AI at the Army level. I positioned my two tank armies to achieve a strategic breakthrough and adjusted their objectives and axis to try to achieve the greatest benefit. By the end of November 1941, I had taken Moscow and was just short of taking Stalingrad and Astrakan but unit supply was impossible (I have plenty of national supply). As supply became difficult, I ordered several armies to a defensive posture but the AI was unable to manage its out of supply units. My difficulties forced me to decide to withdraw to a defendable, supplyable line and I had to turn off AI to achieve the withdrawal. In particular, I had to control units in detail when they were withdrawing under fire. I am a keen fan of using the AI but it can not manage withdrawals. I think you are planning to start Barbarossa early so you may achieve victory in 1941 (if only I had a few more weeks). If not, be prepared to turn the AI off to establish a winter line or you will be at risk of losing armies, instead of divisions! I am hopeful of victory in 1942 but I am not yet sure I can hold Moscow through the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shepherd352 View Post
    In my game (ICE on Normal) I've just played Barbarossa to late 1941. I started on 22 June and did not get any surprise benefits. I manually set the first battles (the AI does a horrible job on a continuous line of stacked divisions but a human attacks from many provinces into a single target and misses some provinces altogether. After the first round of battles (less than 1 week) I activated AI at the Army level. I positioned my two tank armies to achieve a strategic breakthrough and adjusted their objectives and axis to try to achieve the greatest benefit. By the end of November 1941, I had taken Moscow and was just short of taking Stalingrad and Astrakan but unit supply was impossible (I have plenty of national supply). As supply became difficult, I ordered several armies to a defensive posture but the AI was unable to manage its out of supply units. My difficulties forced me to decide to withdraw to a defendable, supplyable line and I had to turn off AI to achieve the withdrawal. In particular, I had to control units in detail when they were withdrawing under fire. I am a keen fan of using the AI but it can not manage withdrawals. I think you are planning to start Barbarossa early so you may achieve victory in 1941 (if only I had a few more weeks). If not, be prepared to turn the AI off to establish a winter line or you will be at risk of losing armies, instead of divisions! I am hopeful of victory in 1942 but I am not yet sure I can hold Moscow through the winter.
    I too thought the AI did a bit of a mess with the opening of Barbarossa (playing with 1.4), but I stuck to my guns and discovered that the cumbersome start meant that I did not choke my supplylines. I don't know if there is a difference in the AI between ICE and 1.4 vanilla. The AI pretty much did what it does during the battle of France. Slow start, but the airforce pounds the living hell out of the enemy so that the collapse is final.

    I read that using AI at Army Group level would benefit the Blitzing stance, especially if the mobile forces are organised into a "panzerarmee". That will be my next project.

    Uriah
    Good show I am now on page 42, and find it impossible to stop reading. Well done.

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    Uriah. Another great update, Barbarosa should be epic! keep up the great work.

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