If I create Austria-Hungary, will she get all Hungarian units or only Austrian ?
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If a restoration of Austria-Hungary takes place, all units, previously Austrian and Hungarian, compose new Austro-Hungarian Armed Forces
that is not correct. both cities were part of the kuk empire (1772-1918).
We all know that those provinces were formally a part of Austria-Hungary before 1919.
I am just saying that those regions have never been predominantly populated with Germans or Austrians. From that point of view Krakau is Polish and Lemberg is Ukrainian
Is that not correct ?
that is obviously correct but it was a part of their empire just 20 years ago. its your mod. just my opinion. by the way, interesting project.
are there many ahistorical ways in your mod like austria-hungary ?
are there many ahistorical ways in your mod like austria-hungary ?
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yes, it was only 20 years ago, that is not much, germany also still claimed lothringen in 1936, and that was also mainly populated by french. the cities had austria as ruler and they also has german names, and lemberg was also mainly populated by poles, after 1945 they were deported to the new polsih territories in the west.
well exsaclly Stalin help Hitler with resourses because he want that hitler invade all countryes in europe and then Stalin will attack and come as liberator.
No more or less war between GER and USSR was Inevitably.
What ?!! That city was always Kraków for Poles. Only Austrians called it "Krakau".
Yeah, I am sure Poland would have decided to have a war to defend that Polish city and the land around it.
I think Austria-Hungary would indeed claim every territory she had in 1914. However, as Poland is indeed a strong European power I doubt she would fight against, perhaps she could be given another ways to get the Galizia region... perhaps a modified Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in where A-H gets her chunk of territory? Just an opinion.
I think Austria-Hungary would indeed claim every territory she had in 1914. However, as Poland is indeed a strong European power I doubt she would fight against, perhaps she could be given another ways to get the Galizia region... perhaps a modified Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in where A-H gets her chunk of territory? Just an opinion.
Thank you for your suggestions, folks.
But let's take a look at it from the point of view of practicality.
1) Poland is economically and militarilly stronger than Czechoslovakia,
Yugoslavia or Romania.
2) Unlike Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia or Romania, Poland doesn't
have to be necessarily hostile to Austria-Hungary.
3) Those two provinces are not worth it to start or provoke hostilities
with a strong European power like Poland.
The conclusion is - it's much better to try to befriend Poland instead
of antagonizing her
The point is a restoration of Austria-Hungary in the 2nd half of the
1930s is not completely ahistorical. For a very brief period of time
there was a chance of doing so. Obviously that chance was very slim.
That's why none of those, who wanted such a restoration, ever
succeeded with it. Nevertheless that chance did exist.
As for some purely ahistorical stuff this project includes the following:
1) Possible formation of PATO (Paris Treaty Organization).
2) Possible formation of Mediterranean Pact.
3) If Italy chooses to ignore Germany and build her own alliance without
any participation of Germany, the latter may decide to form an
alternative pact. Berlin - Warsaw Axis Pact instead of Berlin - Rome Axis.
For that purpose Germany would have to give up her territorial claims
on any Polish provinces.
This is another reason why Austria-Hungary should try to befriend
Poland, instead of pushing her to join an alliance with Germany
Berlin-Warsaw pact??????
Thats humm... beyond ahistorical to my ears.
It would be like the unholy alliance between germany and ussr.
Thats humm... beyond ahistorical to my ears.
It would be like the unholy alliance between germany and ussr.
I'm not gonna say this doesn't seem an interesting idea, as a Berlin - Warsaw - Vienna alliance seems to be really fun to play but... I must agree with JRHINDO that it would have been very unlikely for both countries to ally themselves at the time. I mean, Hitler would have NEVER ever gave up on German territorial claims on Polish provinces, and we all know Hitler's desire for establishing his pan-German Lebensraum comprising everything from the Rhine to the Urals... I would only see a German - Polish alliance if Poland is made a puppet of Germany or if a friendship pact between the two countries is signed somehow (you know, something like the M-R Pact between Germany and the USSR. We all know how it ended, by the way...)
I'd say that a German - British alliance was even more likely that a German - Polish one. Of course, I hope you have some historical reasons for supporting this Berlin-Warsaw Axis.
Of course ahistorical, but very practical. If Germany cannot annex Austria and Czechoslovakia (due to a restoration of Austria-Hungary), and on top of that cannot get allied with Italy, what else Hitler can do ? He is forced to look for alternative allies
The only chance for that was Lord Halifax. There was a possibility that he'd be appointed Prime Minister instead of Churchill. With Halifax as PM a rapprochement between Germany and UK would have been quite possible. But under Churchill that was even less likely than Berlin-Warsaw Axis
Poland in Axis ? Its something new. But looks interesting.
You don't have to worry about Berlin-Warsaw Axis Pact very much, because the likelihood of that outcome is very low.
If a restoration of Austria-Hungary doesn't happen, all those things will just unfold in their usual way: Anschluss, partition of Czechoslovakia, invasion of Poland, etc
i still really dont see this happening, Omega made a lot of good points. I would like also to add that Hitler would be going against his own moral principles by allying with A-H, he hated the aristocracy and wanted to make nearly classless world (national socialism ftw). Going with USSR is as much a no no as going with A-H. Hitler would want to keep neutral, very limited, relations with A-H or alternatively just do some divide and conquer, blobing, on the A-H.
The only possibility i see of the aliance happening would be, if A-H had put the aristocrats back in power in germany early on, maybe as far as going to restore the empire.
The only possibility i see of the aliance happening would be, if A-H had put the aristocrats back in power in germany early on, maybe as far as going to restore the empire.
1) If Austria-Hungary doesn't emerge, expect the usual things: Anschluss, dismemberment of Czechoslovakia, war on Poland triggering a bigger military conflict. Alliance with Italy.
2) If Austria-Hungary exists, Germany can join Mediterranean Pact. In that case all members of the pact are transformed into Axis.
3) If Austria-Hungary exists, but Italy as the leader of Mediterranean Pact doesn't want Germany as an ally, Germany may remain on her own, - w/o any serious allies in Europe.
4) If Germany has no chance to annex Austria, the Czech part of Czechoslovakia and get allied wit Italy, she may decide to propose Berlin-Warsaw Axis Pact to Poland.
The last option is the least desired by Germany and a very unlikely one.
Berlin-Warsaw Axis Pact is the last resort for Germany. A desperate attempt to avoid a political isolation. Under normal circumstances Hitler would have never done that.
No. Berlin-Warsaw Axis Pact means an alliance of Germany with Poland, w/o Austria-Hungary.
If Germany gets allied with Italy and Austria-Hungary, Poland is not needed as an ally for Germany. Poland will be invaded