Unsuspected, but probably deserved. Lets see how this will change the delicate balance of power?
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Sid Meier; said:
This is what China has offered on the Ederon Forums but most of the negotiations will probably occur on a chat program. Although I am interested in what the coalition is offering.
An interesting possibility with regards to the treaty and reparations would be the ability transfer factories from one nation to another. Maybe only remove 1 level, assuming it is larger then level 1, and adding it to a factory in another country. I guess this would need GM and editor approval. Also it would depend on how easy it would be to edit it.
Current map of China:
As you can see, Georgia is pushing from the west with great power. Japan swiftly took over Manchuria and nearby areas, but was pushed back a bit by Chinese troops. France (controlled by AI) has landed in the south and few other provinces, while all other troops of the alliance are stuck in Tangshan (the green province near Beijing). The chinese troops managed to completely surround the armies, but with the help of the navies, the intitial Chinese attack on the province was repelled.
You might be able to see the Georgian troops that are fighting near the green province (northwest), trying to brake the siege.
What happened in Japan this session (yes this will also be my AAR):
The session started well. I managed to build up a machine parts factory and the revolts had been put off in most of Japan. It was time to continue with the democraticisng plans (which would soon become a catastrophy).
I decided to able the option for government to ban parties. Naturally I switched mine from the dictatorial reactionaries. This is where I made my mistake; instead of clicking the conservatives, I mistakely chose the anarcho-liberals. Needless to say, they would have formed their own dictatorship like the reactionaries had done earlier. I had no option but to switch the governing party to socialists again. New wave of revolts sprung up, even worse than before.
Most of India and Korea/Manchuria was soon seized. The military had just been demobilised a year before and already they were called to arms again. The diplomatic situation of the world wasn't helping one bit, China was seen as a threat, and there would be a war to come.
It took few years to take out the rebel forces. Democraticising (finally) eased the job a little. Norway offered their assistance in putting off the revolts, although the help arrived tad too late to have any significant effect.
The liberals won the first free elections of the third Japanese republic. The conservatives, however, seem to be the favoured party in the polls currently.
The railroad network was extended, though it is outdated and behind it's time. Japan is in deep economic trouble, budget cuts were done and taxes raised. Crime is on the loose and schools are being closed, the future looks dim for next generations. Meanwhile, army mainteinance and defense spending was rised; the war was about to start.
The alliance of concerned states for freedom; Georgia, France, Japan, Norway, Germany and Italy sent their declarations of war to the Chinese Emperor, after which Norwegian navy sailed to the Bohai Sea and blockaded all Chinese trade in the Yellow Sea. Meanwhile, Georgian troops started their advance towards the Gobi desert. Italian navy joined their Norwegian allies, and an amphibious assault was launched.
In the north, Japanese troops crossed the border immediately after the declaration of war. Manchuria was swiftly seized by the Japanese military and all Chinese forces destroyed. Our armies met with the allies in Tengshun, in area that was heavily defended by massive Chinese armies. Without a drop of fear in them, the Japanese troops stood still in the face of the enemy, who was obviously afraid of attacking the magnificent armies of the third republic.
The allies got outnumbered, however, and a common defense was set up in Tengshun, which was a heavily fortified and mountaineous coastal province, allowing the navies to take part in battles.
The Chinese troops launched their assault. Even with superior numbers they suffered heavy damages and had to flee. The victory was ot only glorious, but well deserved as well.
Reward: Cash please (can you edit as: remove all the debt I have left and add the rest to my 'account'? I can understand if it's too much of work).
As you can see, Georgia is pushing from the west with great power. Japan swiftly took over Manchuria and nearby areas, but was pushed back a bit by Chinese troops. France (controlled by AI) has landed in the south and few other provinces, while all other troops of the alliance are stuck in Tangshan (the green province near Beijing). The chinese troops managed to completely surround the armies, but with the help of the navies, the intitial Chinese attack on the province was repelled.
You might be able to see the Georgian troops that are fighting near the green province (northwest), trying to brake the siege.
What happened in Japan this session (yes this will also be my AAR):
The session started well. I managed to build up a machine parts factory and the revolts had been put off in most of Japan. It was time to continue with the democraticisng plans (which would soon become a catastrophy).
I decided to able the option for government to ban parties. Naturally I switched mine from the dictatorial reactionaries. This is where I made my mistake; instead of clicking the conservatives, I mistakely chose the anarcho-liberals. Needless to say, they would have formed their own dictatorship like the reactionaries had done earlier. I had no option but to switch the governing party to socialists again. New wave of revolts sprung up, even worse than before.
Most of India and Korea/Manchuria was soon seized. The military had just been demobilised a year before and already they were called to arms again. The diplomatic situation of the world wasn't helping one bit, China was seen as a threat, and there would be a war to come.
It took few years to take out the rebel forces. Democraticising (finally) eased the job a little. Norway offered their assistance in putting off the revolts, although the help arrived tad too late to have any significant effect.
The liberals won the first free elections of the third Japanese republic. The conservatives, however, seem to be the favoured party in the polls currently.
The railroad network was extended, though it is outdated and behind it's time. Japan is in deep economic trouble, budget cuts were done and taxes raised. Crime is on the loose and schools are being closed, the future looks dim for next generations. Meanwhile, army mainteinance and defense spending was rised; the war was about to start.
The alliance of concerned states for freedom; Georgia, France, Japan, Norway, Germany and Italy sent their declarations of war to the Chinese Emperor, after which Norwegian navy sailed to the Bohai Sea and blockaded all Chinese trade in the Yellow Sea. Meanwhile, Georgian troops started their advance towards the Gobi desert. Italian navy joined their Norwegian allies, and an amphibious assault was launched.
In the north, Japanese troops crossed the border immediately after the declaration of war. Manchuria was swiftly seized by the Japanese military and all Chinese forces destroyed. Our armies met with the allies in Tengshun, in area that was heavily defended by massive Chinese armies. Without a drop of fear in them, the Japanese troops stood still in the face of the enemy, who was obviously afraid of attacking the magnificent armies of the third republic.
The allies got outnumbered, however, and a common defense was set up in Tengshun, which was a heavily fortified and mountaineous coastal province, allowing the navies to take part in battles.
The Chinese troops launched their assault. Even with superior numbers they suffered heavy damages and had to flee. The victory was ot only glorious, but well deserved as well.
Reward: Cash please (can you edit as: remove all the debt I have left and add the rest to my 'account'? I can understand if it's too much of work).
No problem, repaying loans is a pain in MP.
Touching the strategic situation, note that the apparently small gains of the coalition close to Beijing is a more-or-less deliberate strategy; the combined Norwegian, Italian and German armies are tying up half again their number of Chinese divisions (literally - 36 coalition, 50 Chinese) which are thus not available to resist the advance of Georgia from the west. Conversely, had those armies been sent west, Beijing and the industrial heartland of China would rapidly have fallen. Our position in Tianshan is effectively impregnable, it being a fortified mountain province within reach of our naval armaments. Already we have thrown back attacks by half a million Chinese troops for essentially no loss to ourselves; and meanwhile Georgia's advance is irresistible. You will also observe that there is very little resistance being offered to the French troops in the south, although these are not numerous; and of course, the rebels are everywhere.
With all that said, China still retains a strong army in the field, perhaps as many as a million men fighting close to their sources of supply, and can by no means be considered finished. This, in itself, shows the necessity of the coalition: A power capable of offering strong resistance against no less than six other powers, while hampered by a powerful rebellion, is clearly over-mighty. Admittedly, Norway, Germany, and Italy are not exerting the absolute limit of their powers. Any of the three could field a much larger army than what is currently fighting, either by mobilising or by recruiting more regulars. And France is AI. So maybe it's more like two powers and four half-powers. But still.
60 compared to 53:
Population (note symbol at end means compared to rate of change last session)
China - 381,430,000 - decrease of 8 million - (Note see below)
Indonesia - 211,058,000 - increase of 29 million + (Note see below)
Georgia - 207,141,000 - increase of 16 million -
France - 134, 117,000 - increase of 14 million +
Finland - 112,198,000 - increase of 10 million +
Prussia - 89,250,000 - increase of 7 million -
Norway - 83,953,000 - increase of 10 million =
Africa - 83,121,000 - increase of 6 million =
Germany - 82,765,000 - increase of 6.5 million -
Japan - 75,186,000 - decrease of 0.5 million -
America - 55,000,000 - increase of 4.5 million +
Thoughts:
A Note on China. China's population decreased by a total of 8 million, However of that 8 million 9.2 million were given to Indonesia in provinces. The result is that China is in fact NOT honoring its treaty, AGAIN, and has had a growth of 1 million in his other provinces, and that is while a war rages AND his country is a 1/3 occupied by rebels.
A Note of Indonesia subtract roughly 9 million from Indonesia to get real growth rate, which is slightly higher than last sessions due to tech giving increased birthrate.
Overall, the world is progressing as expected, steady growth on most nations, some increasing either from tech or increased immigration, while those that decreased it could be attributed to the War in China.
It should be noted that Norway population growth did not decrease with the changes to life ratings in provinces (aka edit/fix) which means Norway's good health care is doing alot!
Another note would Japan is decreasing, again ran into rebellion problems, as well as the war in China. Can the Japanese government ever please its people enough to stop tidal wave of pops from leaving for greener pastures?
Factories
Indonesia - 66 - increase of 21
France - 31 - increase of 1
China - 31 - increase of 2
Georgia - 30 - increase of 1
Norway - 28 - increase of 6
Finland - 25 - increase of 13
America - 22 - increase of 8
Japan - 22 - increase of 6
Germany - 21 - increase of 5
Africa - 20 - increase of 4
Prussia - 15 - increase of 1
Thoughts:
Indonesia still in the lead in sheer number of factories, and after getting interventionists in power for one election about a third of those managed to be upgraded to 2nd level.
France and China tied for 2nd, however again France made little no progress this session, poor France.
Chinese Industrialization efforts we halted when it attempted to switch its government to liberals. That is when the rebellions started. Needless to say shortly there after China also found itself at war with most the known world.
Finland came like a bat out of hell and built up 13 new factories, likely related to the mass amounts of resources he acquired from China. I expect further growth next session.
Italy and Norway both made progress too, 8 and 6 respectively, I just hope Italy has the pops to put in those new factories!
Africa finally made some more progress, maybe just maybe the dark continent can catch up to the rest of the world?
Prussia, last this round, is really stagnating compared to it Finnish neighbor, or is it a hidden industrial strength hiding in upgrades to existing ones?
Army/Navy
China - 207 / 19 - change of 131 / -8
Georgia - 150 / 49 - change of 78 / 0
France - 82 / 49 - change of 31 / 9
Japan - 52 / 52 - change of 32 / -7
Prussia - 35 / 9 - change of 19 / 0
Finland - 35 / 0 - change of -1 / 0
Indonesia - 28 / 80 - change of 3 / -14
America - 19 / 116 - change of 2 / 67
Germany - 15 / 12 - change of -43 / 0
Africa - 14 / 7 - change of -1 / 0
Norway - 9 / 40 - change of -29 / 2
New Category!
Manpower/Leadership
France - 1349 / 18
Georgia - 932 / 7
Finland - 748 / 143
Norway - 440 / 99
Germany - 425 / 106
America - 237 / 191
China - 264 / 31
Prussia - 260 / 60
Africa - 180 / 64
Indonesia - 16 / 17
Japan - 7 / 2
Thoughts:
China as expected has vastly increased his army seeing as he in in the middle of life or death war! Part of those new divisions are likely reserves, but that still a fair number of fresh divisions thrown into the meat grinder. That said, China seems to be fairly low on manpower, a few more major skirmishes with Georgia and he will run into a problem.
Georgia too same situation, part reserves part fresh meat. Georgia however has a fair bit of manpower and will be able to take the fight to enemy even if it does cost lives.
France is run by the AI so its doing what AI's do, however it is at war with China and does seem to be doing an OK job on it own landing.
Nothing much else is new, Italy redeployed its navy apparently, it may have been upgrading to a steamer fleet already! Norway and Germany reduction of armies are due to demobilization.
National Rankings!
----------Prestige/Military/Industry
Indonesia 696 / 138 / 2883
China 695 / 234 / 1809
France 223 / 203 / 1129
Georgia 550 / 221 / 795
America 582 / 128 / 825
Germany 498 / 69 / 742
Norway 174 / 73 / 890
Prussia 223 / 57 / 655
Finland 617 / 63 / 362
Japan 42 / 93 / 492
Africa -20 / 26 / 507
Summary:
Indonesia seems to have moved to the top of the ladder with lead of 1 prestige, and nearly 1000 industry points on china, approx a 2.5 times increase industrial capacity. Much of that is likely related to the new level 3 railways across all of Indonesia in addition to a 50% increase in the base number of factories, and upgrading about 1/3 of total number of factories. As fast as this industrialization seems to be going, will it be able to keep up in the sessions to come? I think not, as many of the locales where factories have been built have filled up already, limiting future expansion greatly. With all this industrial might Indonesia was contracted to build the great canals of Panama! It is now open to all the democracy loving nations of the world!
China did quite well for its self this session considering it was at war with most the world and having huge rebellion problems. It still managed a 50% increase in industrial score since last session. Will it be able to keep up this pace in the years to come?
France still managing to hold on to third place industrially, impressive considering it has made no really attempts at industrializing at all in the last 2 sessions!
Georgian industry is chugging along, No longer a major contender but holding out in the 2nd tier industrial powers such as America, Norway and Germany. Prussia seems to be sitting on the line between the second tier and third tier industrial powers, which are Africa, Japan and Finland. How will these tiers look like in the future? Will 2nd tiers stay neck in neck with each other or will they be contending with new arrivals from the lower tiers?
But when we come to military powers Georgia is no longer 2nd tier, they are practically leaders in the category! Will Georgia turn into a soviet union, immense military power with and ever falling behind industrial base? Who knows what one will do with that power. They may take a different route and offer their services to the highest bidder in exchange for desperately needed industrial machines.
And prestige! We see Finland for some reason that no one knows, is in the top tier of prestigious nations! One can only wonder what back room political skills they posses in order to pull such a feat off!
Indeed this session was quite interesting, progress for many, even for those knee deep bodies! What will happen in the sessions to come? Will China Fall? Will Georgia be left behind? Will Norway continue outpace America? Will the Dark Continent shape up follow the rest of the world into the modern era, or is it destined to gobbled up as in history? And finally are Finnish performing untold sexual favors for prestige?
Stayed Tuned to find out!
I think it's immigration, actually. For considerable parts of the session I could sit and watch my population grow by 1000 per day. Over 7 years that'll amount to well over 2 million. I won't vouch for this rate remaining constant over the entire period, in particular I had better things to do while at war with China than watch the immigrants, but it does appear that I am getting a very considerable amount of Chinese refugees. Of course it's quite possible that it's the healthcare that attracts them.
I think it's immigration, actually. For considerable parts of the session I could sit and watch my population grow by 1000 per day. Over 7 years that'll amount to well over 2 million. I won't vouch for this rate remaining constant over the entire period, in particular I had better things to do while at war with China than watch the immigrants, but it does appear that I am getting a very considerable amount of Chinese refugees. Of course it's quite possible that it's the healthcare that attracts them.
Indeed that is my theory that it is your uber healthcare getting all the pops. (from china)
So I've been working on my plots. This week, we take a look at war potential, which requires a little bit of explanation. To calculate war potential, I calculate the total output of factories and RGOs, ignoring capitalist and aristocrat bonuses, and weighted by the military usefulness of the factory. Thus a grain RGO has a weight of 1; a steel factory, 100, and an artillery factory, 500. It is, roughly, a war-weighted GDP. The calculation takes into account railroads, literacy, ethnicity, POP size (linearly, not in Vicky's silly tiered system) and type, work hours, and efficiency bonuses from tech. It is the number I will use in my HoI converter to calculate IC. You will appreciate, then, that I do not enjoy seeing these results:
First, note China's war potential going up like a rocket:
Observe their fraction of the world's war potential doing the same:
Note which colour is driving the expansion of the world's total war potential:
And observe how the blue part of total world potential gets fatter every year:
It is a rather depressing picture, honestly.
First, note China's war potential going up like a rocket:
Observe their fraction of the world's war potential doing the same:
Note which colour is driving the expansion of the world's total war potential:
And observe how the blue part of total world potential gets fatter every year:
It is a rather depressing picture, honestly.
Any chance for the factory level chart updated for this session? (and maybe railroads, I'm curious of what everyone else is doing?!
The foreign devils shan't have a chance when the Chinese dragon decides to beat the crap out of them.
King of Men theres a flaw in your chart, I think a good percentage of it could be related to the short term burst in war preparation rather then necessarily a long term average of industrial war potential.
Im really pleased of the industralisation that is taking place now in Finland. The Chinese economical aid did allow me to promote cappies that started to build stuff (you should post the rail-road map of the begining of last session and from the end as well)
Im having proplem top find workforce for all those factories
Of the prestige, I got few huge prestige-boost events in the first session and Since I've took My AAR rewards as in it.
As for the political situation:
In the begingin of the session the Yngling corsairs managed to win us in our competition to Colonize the Kola Penisula, that we considered to have our claim written all over it (The Chiefdom of Kola was a vassal Of His Majesty Lord Novgorod the Great in CK)
And as Ynglings started to build up Forces in the Far North of Scandinavia, We begun to prepare for Prussian Defensive war against the evil Ynglings (meaning to kick em out from there to couse more trouple)
But suddenly Norway was alligned with the rest of the world aside China....
...And it wasen't hard to understand why.
The shock came when we find out that Georgia was also on the HRE's side so any change for us to figth against memebers of HRE would lead as with war with out biggest and strongest neighbour.
So we had no choise but to cancel our intial warplan and wait for the situation to evolp. Personally, I've fougth bit too many time aside someone else in desperate defnece against grand scale gangrapes, and this time, while I was really starting to catch up in industralisation, I didn't want to join the loosing side.
If Georgia would have stayed Neutral As I first thougth, Then I would have propaply joined chinese side and used my energy to end Yngling occupation in Scandinavic lands.
Im having proplem top find workforce for all those factories
Of the prestige, I got few huge prestige-boost events in the first session and Since I've took My AAR rewards as in it.
As for the political situation:
In the begingin of the session the Yngling corsairs managed to win us in our competition to Colonize the Kola Penisula, that we considered to have our claim written all over it (The Chiefdom of Kola was a vassal Of His Majesty Lord Novgorod the Great in CK)
And as Ynglings started to build up Forces in the Far North of Scandinavia, We begun to prepare for Prussian Defensive war against the evil Ynglings (meaning to kick em out from there to couse more trouple)
But suddenly Norway was alligned with the rest of the world aside China....
...And it wasen't hard to understand why.
The shock came when we find out that Georgia was also on the HRE's side so any change for us to figth against memebers of HRE would lead as with war with out biggest and strongest neighbour.
So we had no choise but to cancel our intial warplan and wait for the situation to evolp. Personally, I've fougth bit too many time aside someone else in desperate defnece against grand scale gangrapes, and this time, while I was really starting to catch up in industralisation, I didn't want to join the loosing side.
If Georgia would have stayed Neutral As I first thougth, Then I would have propaply joined chinese side and used my energy to end Yngling occupation in Scandinavic lands.
Geez... this looks like China will be humbled. Territorial ambitions, anyone? All those Chinese peasants would be much more useful toiling in Italian, Norwegian or Prussian colonial sweatshops (them needing the POPs much more than anything else) than being taxed to death
How are you going to handle national provinces and cores in Vicky and in HoI?
How are you going to handle national provinces and cores in Vicky and in HoI?
Right... A "short-term burst" which so far has lasted from 1850 to 1860.
Railroads are a more encouraging prospect, at least for Norway and Indonesia. We are ahead in every category, beginning with total miles of track laid:
Fractions of the world total:
And the average infrastructure level of our provinces:
I suppose it is unlikely that anyone will begin shouting "Death to Indochina" or "Death to Norway" over this, though.
Fractions of the world total:
And the average infrastructure level of our provinces:
I suppose it is unlikely that anyone will begin shouting "Death to Indochina" or "Death to Norway" over this, though.
Indeed, if anything they are shouting at us to build more so we are easier to invade... :S
BUILD MORE RAILROADS!!!!!!!
...With a heave and a ho, Well I just couldn't let her go....