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    Quote Originally Posted by G'Kar View Post
    Judging from the reinforcement need at 0, are all your units at 100% strength? (Thinking beta once again.)
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enewald View Post
    Lol, the Estonian province 'Tapa' literally mean in Finnish 'kill', which is the ordering-form of 'to kill'.

    Otherwise, a nice update.
    'Tapa Kommunist'. or at least it's rumored that is what one newspaper was called back in the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneslave View Post
    Yes.
    Did SM say so? If not, reinforcement need might be updated after a day.

    Typing in all capital letters went out of style with FORTRAN.

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    I see that the front's can ask for units. How are these fronts made? If Germany invaded Brazil, would a new one show up automatically? Are they per region?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G'Kar View Post
    Did SM say so? If not, reinforcement need might be updated after a day.
    IIRC, he did say it, but this is mostly my assumptions, as those divisions that we have seen are at complete strength. Also, upgrade slider has IC need and reinforcement doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoneGunman View Post
    May I recommend heavy armor divisions ftw?
    Can't do as I have only researched tech as far as light tanks.-> BETA

    Quote Originally Posted by Baneslave View Post
    IIRC, he did say it, but this is mostly my assumptions, as those divisions that we have seen are at complete strength. Also, upgrade slider has IC need and reinforcement doesn't.
    Yes, all units are at 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by brisduv View Post
    Thanks for this thread and the three AAR's, the screen shots (and Johan's goodie updates) have sold me on this game. I was going to wait for the demo but I just preordered it. Paradox owes you a free game at least


    Quote Originally Posted by Hagar View Post
    The first actual proof of your Dutch lineage showing through (it's Edam Cheese, and only in the Low Countries renowned for it's holes). Not bad after so many pages of flawless English! I doubt that many a reader would have noticed...
    Flawless sorry but I am sure it's not.

    Ok guys, thanks for the patience.
    I have had a lot of work this weekend (worked to 24:00 making vector files yesterday and had to be at the bailiff's this morning) so I didn't have had the time to play and write. I will play tonight and write tomorrow......perhaps, if you are lucky even today.

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    as a fellow Dutchie, all the best Singleton with the war. With all your divs on full strength, lots of oil and manpower and a not to bright strategic AI, you actually stand a pretty good chance to wack those Allies and Ruskies. Waiting to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by von_Manstein11 View Post
    many german divisions were down to 33% authorized strength, which represents the inability to reinforce them. That being said, they should still start with 0 in the pool, the only way to get the effect which you mentioned would be to disband and conserve the manpower.
    For gameplay reasons having 0 manpower at the start of the '44 scenario would be bad. Playing the scenario in HoI2 was hard enough even though you had enough manpower to replenish all your divisions and a bit extra to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singleton Mosby View Post
    Ok guys, thanks for the patience.[/b] I have had a lot of work this weekend (worked to 24:00 making vector files yesterday and had to be at the bailiff's this morning) so I didn't have had the time to play and write. I will play tonight and write tomorrow......perhaps, if you are lucky even today.
    At the bailiffs? What did you do? Break your NDA agreement with Paradox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagar View Post
    At the bailiffs? What did you do? Break your NDA agreement with Paradox?
    What NDA? He is just a previewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneslave View Post
    What NDA? He is just a previewer.
    The best I could up with - I haven't the foggiest what the real reason is. Just wanted to tease him into giving a hint or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoemsiBoemsie View Post
    as a fellow Dutchie, all the best Singleton with the war. With all your divs on full strength, lots of oil and manpower and a not to bright strategic AI, you actually stand a pretty good chance to wack those Allies and Ruskies. Waiting to see
    Well, the strengthbar of every unit is 100% but the org. isn't. About 25% of the divisions has a low org which is a real PITA. Next to that there are some units (5%) with a 100% strength bar but only 1/3rd of the men.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hagar View Post
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    Chapter five: Italy, the backwater campaign

    Throughout '43 and '44 the German high command in Rastenburg had always seen the Italian front as a backwater front. Not worthy their attention. Bigger things were at stake in the East and invasion loomed in the West. But, after the Monte Casino line fell and Rome was captured this secondary theatre could play a more important role then perceived. If the Italian front would break, a flood of vengeful British, American, Polish and French troops would flow into the southern regions of the Reich.


    Two strong lines of defence were prepared in the northern reaches of the Italian boot.
    To the north, just south of Bolonga the “Ghengis Khan” line would be build and manned by troops which had guarded former Yugoslavia. This line didn't cross the boot completely but would enable a defence of the Garda region later on if disaster would strike.
    More to the south Heeresgruppe C had ordered the construction of the strong “Gothic line” even before the front at Casino collapsed. It was now, late June, reinforcements and troops resting in Northern Italy were ordered to man the line, dig in and prepare for what might come.

    Heeresgruppe C consisted of two armies, the 10th and 14th, each of which had two corps, the LXXXV korps was attached straight to the Heeresgruppe. In addition to these two dozen divisions several Italian divisions were assembled in Northern Italy. Not much could be expected of these demoralised, weak forces but at the moment every rifle counted.

    From the Yugoslavia area almost a dozen divisions were marching to the Italian front to strengthen it and prevent an otherwise imminent collapse. The drawback of this move would of course be the possible loss of the Balkans to partisans. Bit, at dire moments, risks have to be taken.


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    Thanks for the update! First off I notice most of your divisions have no leaders, is that a normal situation or just Beta?

    2nd, why pull back so far for your defence, looks like you have some divisions three hexes north, rather than four hexes north where they are moving? Just curious.

    EDIT:
    I don't know the quality of those SS mountain divisions in the Balkans but would nice to have as many mountain troops in those Italian mountains and hills as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singleton Mosby View Post
    ...Next to that there are some units (5%) with a 100% strength bar but only 1/3rd of the men.
    ...
    If a regular devision has 10.000 men and 10.000 rifles (for arguments sake) In game terms this represents 3.333 men with 10.000 rifles, right? Odd. Beta.

    EDIT: As the demo will arrive tomorrow morning, i see the days of these beta-AARs come to an end. Thanks you Mosby, for allowing us to have fun with you. If you care to continue with this one, i probably will keep following it. It´s fun!

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    Well you better get those AAR fast to an end - now! I wanna see more before the demo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brisduv View Post
    Thanks for the update! First off I notice most of your divisions have no leaders, is that a normal situation or just Beta?

    2nd, why pull back so far for your defence, looks like you have some divisions three hexes north, rather than four hexes north where they are moving? Just curious.
    1. They are there but not all are assigned.

    2. Because I need some more time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jazumir View Post
    If a regular devision has 10.000 men and 10.000 rifles (for arguments sake) In game terms this represents 3.333 men with 10.000 rifles, right? Odd. Beta.

    EDIT: As the demo will arrive tomorrow morning, i see the days of these beta-AARs come to an end. Thanks you Mosby, for allowing us to have fun with you. If you care to continue with this one, i probably will keep following it. It´s fun!
    1. Odd indeed, we will see for ourselves tomorrow.

    2. Indeed, it has been a pleasure and I just know it would be silly to continue. I don't mind though as I will go on vacation 6 days from now so it is good to wrap it up. Next to that I expect the review copy tomorrow. If that's the case I will be able to write a real review as I intended before release. If I will get it on thursday or friday I won't. I not at all And I need to finish an article on the HOI3 writing contest as well. Ok guys, I will wrap it up tomorrow, before I leave one more update.....

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    Chapter six: Italy, the backwater campaign, part II

    As the order to withdraw from reaches the front-line unit at midnight of the 20th reaches the troops the 17 divisions attempt to break free from combat. However, in several parts of the front the German troops are unable to break contact and an orderly and unopposed withdraw will be out of the question.
    At dawn most of the divisions are conducting a fighting withdraw, although not successful all along the front. Shifting the line of combat a hundred kilometres to the north is no easy task. Organisation had suffered during the night-time movement and when the Commonwealth and American divisions renew their attack in the morning chaos ensues in the rear. Commander of Heeresgruppe C; von Küch has seen enough and orders a retreat while he attempts speeding up the troops marching to man the Gothic line.








    From the West more troops are brought to the front as first two, then three corps are taken from Blaskowitchs Heeresgrupp G defending the coast of Southern France. Depleted divisions taken back from the Italian front will replace these forces, at least, that is the plan.

    Later that week, the first troops arrive at the “Genghis Khan” line from the East. Their comrades on the “Gothic line” are digging in. On the front the pressure grows and the withdraw becomes ever more chaotic. No real panic yet however.





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    So why is this Gothic line better than the current line? They both look the same to me, just you are shifted further up.

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    Woots.

    I come back, and we have promise of a DEMO tomorrow, a manual today..

    And I may get a preorder! wohoo!

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