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Development Diary #35 - 1st of July 2009

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So how is the war in the Pacific going to be like?

So far you can give the AI objectives to conquer, it will use it´s combined land, air and naval forces.

But are there any orders for the AI like enforce naval superiority, patrol certain sea areas, defend/attack convoy lines or port attack and destroy the enemy fleet without the need to actually conquer the objective(s) ?

As far as I understand the mechanics, the only naval engagements happen when one side deceides to conduct an invasion and the other side intercepts the enemy fleet.
 
I don't know how the AI works, so this might be a 'stupid' question: Will the AI get stuck if they are missing some components for an invasion? For example if British AI decides to invade occupied Norway but lacks the necessary airforce to back it up are the navy and army just going to sit until it gets it?
 
bbob said:
So how is the war in the Pacific going to be like?

So far you can give the AI objectives to conquer, it will use it´s combined land, air and naval forces.

But are there any orders for the AI like enforce naval superiority, patrol certain sea areas, defend/attack convoy lines or port attack and destroy the enemy fleet without the need to actually conquer the objective(s) ?

As far as I understand the mechanics, the only naval engagements happen when one side deceides to conduct an invasion and the other side intercepts the enemy fleet.
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Well during the Second World War most naval engagements (not all of course, e.g. Pearl Harbor and sinking of the Bismarck), especially in the pacific, were about protecting invasion fleets and patrol duties. Setting the objective to destroy the enemy fleet wasn't really important, but capturing islands and supply points were as they would enable one side to expand further.
 
bbob said:
So how is the war in the Pacific going to be like?

So far you can give the AI objectives to conquer, it will use it´s combined land, air and naval forces.

But are there any orders for the AI like enforce naval superiority, patrol certain sea areas, defend/attack convoy lines or port attack and destroy the enemy fleet without the need to actually conquer the objective(s) ?

As far as I understand the mechanics, the only naval engagements happen when one side deceides to conduct an invasion and the other side intercepts the enemy fleet.
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Well I hope the US AI will want to strangle the Japanese home islands by cutting off it's island bases and setting up shipping interdiction patrols to cripple the economic strength of Japan to make an eventual invasion of the Home Islands easier. *crosses fingers*

Then the HoI AI will become self aware on August 5th, 2009 and initiate thermonuclear warfare. Skynet has been born. :eek:
 
Cidal said:
I don't know how the AI works, so this might be a 'stupid' question: Will the AI get stuck if they are missing some components for an invasion? For example if British AI decides to invade occupied Norway but lacks the necessary airforce to back it up are the navy and army just going to sit until it gets it?
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No, I believe not. You can still order them to proceed, even with inferior numbers or status. However it is likely that it will no succeed in taking its objective, but that's something else.
 
Lets say I don't want to control the air factors or the naval escort of the invasion, but I have specific plans for the troops once they land, and I want them to land in specific provinces. As well, I have a fleet that I am controlling that is hunting an enemy group in a nearby sea area.

What I do is set up a Theatre AI with an HQ, but very little ground forces, and set them to regular attack orders (not blitz) for the enemy end-target province - not the actual provinces I'm invading. I assign all air factors that will support my invasion to that HQ and whatever naval groups I put aside for the escort. I load up my troops into transports and send them to the provinces I want to invade.

I hope that the Theatre AI will recognize that I am conducting the invasion for which it is set to attack. I hope that the AI will escort my transports and use those air factors to support my invasion. I'm only half watching all this because I'm also busy hunting down that enemy surface fleet.

My question would be, is this possible? Will a Theatre AI coordinate with my lead? Are there special orders for coordinating with the AI?
 
Well we already know from King's AAR as Italy that the AI will use its subs to hunt convoys. Also we know from the same AI that any "threat" bordering the AI will draw forces to it to protect from invasion.

So I'm pretty sure fleets will be dispatched to patrol around lands you control, and the amount of ships the AI will ask for will be based on the amount of ships it thinks the enemy has in the area.
 
3 cheers!!!!!

we were never going to look to fix the Hearts of Iron 2 AI, instead we were looking to build a better one. From the first principals of design upwards.


YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

after-euphoria comment: Even if the HOI3 AI isn't as good as i would like it
to be, (and i hope it is) it is still something different than HOI and HOI2. Totally battle brain-dead.
Of all the info in the dev diaries so far, (and i've drooled with the best of them), the above is most important to me.

thanks Johan and company
 
TheLoneGunman said:
Well we already know from King's AAR as Italy that the AI will use its subs to hunt convoys. Also we know from the same AI that any "threat" bordering the AI will draw forces to it to protect from invasion.

So I'm pretty sure fleets will be dispatched to patrol around lands you control, and the amount of ships the AI will ask for will be based on the amount of ships it thinks the enemy has in the area.
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Hopefully no more escort plus a couple of transports. As Italy I loved sniping at Britain's shipping in small bites but sheesh. At least there won't be any more mystery Japanese ships ans airplanes showing up to say "Hai wazzup!" :rofl:
 
dsteve3 said:
Lets say I don't want to control the air factors or the naval escort of the invasion, but I have specific plans for the troops once they land, and I want them to land in specific provinces. As well, I have a fleet that I am controlling that is hunting an enemy group in a nearby sea area.

What I do is set up a Theatre AI with an HQ, but very little ground forces, and set them to regular attack orders (not blitz) for the enemy end-target province - not the actual provinces I'm invading. I assign all air factors that will support my invasion to that HQ and whatever naval groups I put aside for the escort. I load up my troops into transports and send them to the provinces I want to invade.

I hope that the Theatre AI will recognize that I am conducting the invasion for which it is set to attack. I hope that the AI will escort my transports and use those air factors to support my invasion. I'm only half watching all this because I'm also busy hunting down that enemy surface fleet.

My question would be, is this possible? Will a Theatre AI coordinate with my lead? Are there special orders for coordinating with the AI?
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I don't think they're really trying to design the AI to operate that way. They want the AI to be able to handle all aspects of an operation. I think it's either go with the AI-controlling the operation, take a risk and detach whatever forces you want to control yourself and pray for luck, or control the entire operation yourself.
 
This just came up to me, but will the AI be able to help its allies better this time? For example could it, under certain circumstances, happen that Germany sends forces to Africa, even if only by the expeditionary force option?
 
As long as the AI understands how a front works, can hold a line and deploy reserves behind its lines to support it, I'll be happy.

I'm more looking forward to the AI presenting a challenge to me in my own operations than letting the AI handle my operations for me.
 
I swear to never control manually any single division, only AI (the level of command - theatre, army group, army is to be decided yet).

:D
 
Oh the endless unbearable wait... sigh.:(
 
I get the impression this AI might become a greater challenge then in HOI2. At least it will be different. Either way it's a fresh new adventure for me. :)
 
Dominik said:
I swear to never control manually any single division, only AI (the level of command - theatre, army group, army is to be decided yet).

:D
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Don't you look forward to 'pull a Furher'?

(i mean that in the platonic sense)

I will be doing that, and have a small elite army under my express direction, to be known as The Arm of God.:cool:

If I was a typical HoI fan (very probably secretly Heil!) I'd be all into building and weilding SS divisions under my personal and absolute command, as distinct from the Heer.
 
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