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Thread: Development Diary #35 - 1st of July 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauri View Post
    They show as having 182 IC at least, maybe that's what he means?
    doh didn't go back and look at it. Well I imagine the game will scale different than HoI2 so wouldn't read much into it.

    While he's invading Malta looks like he's busy losing Cirenaica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NrmK View Post
    It will be "interesting" to see how German AI can handle Götterdämmerung scenario without any help from player..
    Notice, that whatever improves the German AI, also improves the SU AI.
    So somewhere the superiority of the human intelligence has to come in (if you play on a difficulty level, which does not favor any side).

    I think you can get some advantages by good strategic planning (trade, production, espionage, diplomacy, research), but I think not enough to turn such a scenario around if both sides fight equally well.
    Last edited by joeenochs; 01-07-2009 at 20:10.

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    well, he's got 114 IC for real if I get it correct, and 182 IC effective or whatever... including boosts and possibly difficulty level

  4. #104
    Great stuff as usual.

    But King (or Johan, while you are here :-) ), here is a question for you:
    Is only a theatre capable of doing combined arms operations well?
    What if I gave the task of invading Malta to an army group of the same strength? Also, we learned, that creating theatres is not in direct control of the player. So is this theatre now neglecting everything else in its area of responsibility? If I gave the theatre AI two objectives, eg. invading Malta and defending Rome, would it understand the different nature of these objectives?
    Last edited by joeenochs; 01-07-2009 at 20:21.

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    i probley missed the thread about this but i will ask it anyways......with this "theater" how are they set up or can i make a theater as big or as small as i want or put in the objectives

    ........GOD!!! august is soooo far away i cant wait to play....sounds like this AI will be a lot more fun to play, come up with new tactics to kick its ass...lol or get mine kicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeenochs View Post
    Notice, that whatever improves the German AI, also improves the SU AI.
    So somewhere the superiority of the human intelligence has to come in (if you play on a difficulty level, which does not favor any side).

    I think you can get some advantages by good strategic planning (trade, production, espionage), but I think not enough to turn such a scenario around if both sides fight equally well.
    Well, yes. I really don't think that AI could reverse the situation but I'd like to see how well it can slow down the inevitable Downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madprofmike View Post
    i probley missed the thread about this but i will ask it anyways......with this "theater" how are they set up or can i make a theater as big or as small as i want or put in the objectives
    If I understood and remember anything about that particular development diary, you can't create theatres or change their area of responsibilities. And if they did not change that of course. You can freely set objectives of course. That is the whole purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattabesta View Post
    some1 probabl mention this but why dose italy have 183 IC?
    Pretty 100% sure thats because of it being from some of King's fun longterm games where he conquers the balkans first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liebgot View Post
    Maybee its answered somewhere but I cant find.

    1.Are theaters allways formed authomaticaly?if yes, can some aditonal theaters be formed manualy?

    2. If I choose to control theater by myself can I asign AI to control some smaller formations(lower levels of HQ-s) previously being under theater-say some armies,airforce units or even single divisions?

    3.Otherwise,if theater is AI controlled,can I take some unit from this theater and operate it manualy leaving the rest of theater units under AI and after some time reasign this unit again under AI controll of the theater?
    1. Yes. No(?)
    2. Yes.
    3. No.

    (AFAIK and IIRC)

  10. #110
    I like the new way of showing fleet composition, but why do it both numerically and graphically (with those bars)? Do they show strength/org or something?

    EDIT: Oh, King answered on page 2. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balor View Post
    Pretty 100% sure thats because of it being from some of King's fun longterm games where he conquers the balkans first.

    The King seems happy of his new toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liebgot View Post
    I need some details to compose picture of theters,can someone help me?

    I for instance am Germany and send fiew divisions to help Italians in North Africa.But I want them to be on my own AI command not as expedition under Italian AI theater.


    My question is:
    Am I free to form theters as I like, so I could form "small" Africa theater with fiew divisions and one airforce fleet ,or I will have predefined larger Mediteranian Theater AI and divisions in Africa as suboordinated detachment of that large Theater?

    Can I choose to form separate Mediteranian theater and North Africa theater as I like?
    This is an interesting question and I wonder about this myself.

    IF we cannot form our own theatres then I would think as a workaround we could just peel off units from our nearest theatre and (for example) ship them to North Africa to help out Commando Supremo. Because one would think the theatre boundaries are probably not set in stone.

    Somewhat related question: you ship a unit from one theatre to some geographically distant locale that is not "part" of an extant area of operations. Would a new theatre get created automatically then? It would seem like the game would need to have a mechanism like this.

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    We can create our own theatres.
    I asked Johan about creating AI controllet "Heeresgruppe Seelöwe" in page 1. He said that it can happen. So I think that means we can create as many theatres we want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NrmK View Post
    We can create our own theatres.
    I asked Johan about creating AI controllet "Heeresgruppe Seelöwe" in page 1. He said that it can happen. So I think that means we can create as many theatres we want to.
    Ok, that would explain, why you can dedicate a whole theatre to Malta.

    Here is the passage of that AI control DD:

    "Now theatres are a very special animal they have wide area of operation that they will look to operate in. These are defined by the AI and as such you have no need to actually use the theatre control option. There is a map mode that shows you the current theatres the AI would use. If a player activates a theatre HQ inside a theatre zone of operation then this theatre will assume responsibility for the whole zone, you can supply it specific objectives to give to focus as well. It will request assets in the same way. You can of course have assets outside the theatre HQs control but it will ignore these when it comes to decide what it is doing. When the situation changes the theatre map will change and new theatre zones created or removed. At this point you have the option to simply split or merge the theatres according the situation or assume manual control and divide things up yourself."

    As I read it now, the AI is proposing theatres, but you can overwrite. I take back my statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    yes
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    So I propose the first rule of how to use AI control effectively:

    If you want the AI to fullfill a really important task for you, create a dedicated theatre for it.

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    Amazing, I am truely happy that you decided to build the AI from scratch and it's paying off.
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    Excellent

    How about inter allied co-operation though, like UK/USA/CAN working together for a joint D-Day?
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    How about inter allied co-operation though, like UK/USA/CAN working together for a joint D-Day?
    Load as USA and pray the others will send you expeditionary forces.

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