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    Lightbulb DD 3: New Unit Names

    I've decided to divide all units into six groups, that differ slightly from the original unit types.

    Light infantry: lightly armoured spearmen, swordsmen and javelineers (skirmishers)
    Heavy infantry: heavily armoured spearmen, swordsmen and axemen
    Missile infantry: slingers, archers, stone throwers etc (usually no armour)
    Light cavalry: horse archers and lancers (raiding units) with little or no armour
    Heavy cavalry: armoured horsemen, fighting with swords or lances
    War Elephants: what they sound like

    In vanilla, each culture group has its own set-up of names for their units. The same goes for my units, in fact I've decided to let every unit have a name in the primary language of their culture group. That means there are no "champions" or "warriors". I'll give you a few examples in the list below.

    Latin
    LI: Velites
    HI: Manipulares
    MI: Sagitarii
    LC: Foederati
    HC: Equites
    WE: Elephanti
    S: Quinqueremis

    Hellenic
    LI: Peltastai
    HI: Hoplitai
    MI: Toxotai
    LC: Prodromoi
    HC: Hetaroi
    WE: Elefantai
    S: Penteres

    North African
    LI: Mitnagsim
    HI: Dorkim
    MI: Qasatim
    LC: Parasim
    HC: Gldgmtk
    WE: Elefantim
    S: Penteres

    Nilotic
    LI: Mitnagsim
    HI: Dorkim
    MI: Qasatim
    LC: Parasim
    HC: Gldgmtk
    WE: Elefantim
    S: Penteres

    North Levantine
    LI: Jabbuly
    HI: Daraky
    MI: Hosily
    LC: Sysily
    HC: Xajlity
    WE: Caesily
    S: Hebil

    South Levantine
    LI: Geverim
    HI: Bekhorim
    MI: Qeshetim
    LC: Parashim
    HC: Sarim
    WE: Ravim
    S: Teyvah

    Persian
    LI: Tabargan
    HI: Nizagan
    MI: Thanvaran
    LC: Asavaran
    HC: Grivpanvan
    WE: Pyradan
    S: Dares

    Scythian
    LI: Aexsae
    HI: Ragonae
    MI: Aexsdzhytae
    LC: Uaezdaettae
    HC: Aembaltae
    WE: Elephantae
    S: Dara

    Illyrian
    LI: Komatai
    HI: Peltastai
    MI: Toxotai
    LC: Mezenai
    HC: Prodromoi
    WE: Elefantai
    S: Lembos

    Thracian
    LI: Komatai
    HI: Peltastai
    MI: Toxotai
    LC: Mezenai
    HC: Prodromoi
    WE: Elefantai
    S: Lembos

    Germanic
    LI: Spadingoz
    HI: Wardoz
    MI: Bugmanwoz
    LC: Ridoz
    HC: Atheloz
    WE: Elefantjiz
    S: Skipan

    Gallic
    LI: Baguadas
    HI: Cingetoi
    MI: Sotaroas
    LC: Epoi
    HC: Redas
    WE: Elefantoi
    S: Viduros

    Iberian
    LI: Burtzak
    HI: Gudarak
    MI: Borrokak
    LC: Zaldak
    HC: Aitonak
    WE: Elefantak
    S: Ontzi

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Descartes; 08-07-2009 at 12:39.
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    A small note: Ptolomaic Egypt should use Hellenic army/unit names
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAF1994 View Post
    A small note: Ptolomaic Egypt should use Hellenic army/unit names
    The primary culture of Egypt is Greek, so I wouldn't be able to add Egyptian unit names even if I wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    The primary culture of Egypt is Greek, so I wouldn't be able to add Egyptian unit names even if I wanted to.
    Shouldn't the Ptolomies and Selucids be Macedonian culture?
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    Sorry to suggest more work for you, but is it possible to add more kinds of ships than just triremes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAF1994 View Post
    Shouldn't the Ptolomies and Selucids be Macedonian culture?
    Not really. The Hellenistic countries were quite Greek, you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomanGuy View Post
    Sorry to suggest more work for you, but is it possible to add more kinds of ships than just triremes?
    Nope. If I could, I'd love to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    Not really. The Hellenistic countries were quite Greek, you know.
    Ptolemy and Seleucus were officers in Alexander's army, which was overwhelmingly (90%) Macedonian. Ptolemy Keuranos should definitely be Macedonian culture.
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    I must say I'm not entirely sure about what culture means in the context of EUR. Is it language, traditions or both? As far as I know, the Macedonians spoke Greek around the third century BC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    I must say I'm not entirely sure about what culture means in the context of EUR. Is it language, traditions or both? As far as I know, the Macedonians spoke Greek around the third century BC.
    They were similar (that's why Macedonian is in the Hellenic group) but the city-state Greeks were definitely different to the Macedonians.
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    As I wrote in the New Units thread, I've discovered that it's not possible to add any new units because of the naughty engine. Sorry to disappoint you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    As I wrote in the New Units thread, I've discovered that it's not possible to add any new units because of the naughty engine. Sorry to disappoint you.
    nah its all good. Thanks for the reply, and just wanted to tell you it's a great mod
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    Alright. I've renamed all the existing units, so I updated the list above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    I must say I'm not entirely sure about what culture means in the context of EUR. Is it language, traditions or both? As far as I know, the Macedonians spoke Greek around the third century BC.
    Keeping it Greek is best. In that timeframe Macedonian and Greek culture were not that different and the Hellenistic Kingdoms were heavily influenced by Greek culture and science. Macedonians adopted a lot of cultural elements from the Greek world anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthvegeta800 View Post
    Keeping it Greek is best. In that timeframe Macedonian and Greek culture were not that different and the Hellenistic Kingdoms were heavily influenced by Greek culture and science. Macedonians adopted a lot of cultural elements from the Greek world anyway.
    But the Greeks considered Alexander's father little better than a barbarian...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAF1994 View Post
    But the Greeks considered Alexander's father little better than a barbarian...
    The Greek Greeks were quite picky when it came to things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthvegeta800 View Post
    Keeping it Greek is best. In that timeframe Macedonian and Greek culture were not that different and the Hellenistic Kingdoms were heavily influenced by Greek culture and science. Macedonians adopted a lot of cultural elements from the Greek world anyway.
    It doesn't seem right to have a Macedonian king with Greek culture, though...
    Also, the Hellenic countries should have Pezhetaroi as their HI unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAF1994 View Post
    It doesn't seem right to have a Macedonian king with Greek culture, though...
    Also, the Hellenic countries should have Pezhetaroi as their HI unit.
    Alright, it's official: There won't be any such thing in Imperium 2.0 as culture, as I'll replace it with language.
    I've also found a way to separate the unit names for different countries, so the Macedonians will have Pezhetaroi while the other Greeks have Hoplitai.
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