Cultural migrations

[aenariel]

Hey guys.

Based on my Religious Migrations mini-mod, I was thinking of doing a mod that focuses on cultural migrations.

The problem is, I have no idea how to code the events without them being ultra-large, due to the enormous amount of different cultures that are present in the game (even on vanilla, let me not get started on MMP).

I'm learning new ways of coding in "paradoxian language" every day, but still, there are great limitations on what we can do without repeating large portions of code.

This is a call to all experienced modders out there: do you have any ideas on how to make a culture spread from a province to another without making a specific event for each culture?

Feedback very much appreciated on this, since I think this set of events would add a great new depth to the game.

[Stevo76]

Well, I can't mod , but I'd be very interested in a mod like this, so I guess I just bumped your post.

[EvilCartyen]

I don't think there is an easy way of tracking culture, without coding events for every culture in your mod, triggering only for them. Not to mention modifiers for every culture. Correct me if I am wrong though

[aenariel]

I don't think there is an easy way of tracking culture, without coding events for every culture in your mod, triggering only for them. Not to mention modifiers for every culture. Correct me if I am wrong though

Yes I do also think so. But this thread is more of an invitation to "think outside the box" and come up with a clever idea. If it is possible.

[dharper]

Good luck! I can't think of any way, but hopefully someone will surprise me.

[aenariel]

Okay, here's my idea of how to make this as simple as possible.

The main event is a single huge event that encompasses code for every other culture, but simplify the rest of the coding process.

Here's my draft for the "copy culture" code:

(it isn't working yet, btw. I have to think of a better way to do it, $&$% scopes. but you get the idea)

country_event = {

#MAIN COPY CULTURE EVENT

  	id = 719001

	trigger = {
		has_global_flag = migration_in_progress
		NOT = { has_global_flag = copy_in_progress }
 	}

	mean_time_to_happen = { 
		days = 1
	}

	title = "EVTNAME719001"
	desc = "EVTDESC719001"

	immediate = { 
		clr_global_flag = migration_in_progress
		set_global_flag = copy_in_progress
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA719001"
		ai_chance = { factor = 100 }
		
		clr_global_flag = copy_in_progress
		
		#NOW FOR EACH AND EVERY CULTURE...
		any_country = {
			any_owned = {
				limit = {
					has_province_flag = spread_culture					
					culture = flemish
					
				}
				random_country = {
					random_owned = {
						limit = { has_province_flag = copy_culture }
						change_variable = { which = flemish_culture value = +0.1 }
						clr_province_flag = copy_culture
					}
				}

			}
		}
		#EVERY OTHER CULTURE GOES HERE
		#END
		
		any_country = {
			any_owned = {
				limit = {
					OR = {
						has_province_flag = spread_culture
						has_province_flag = copy_culture
					}
				}
				clr_province_flag = spread_culture
				clr_province_flag = copy_culture
			}
		}		

	}
}

Get it?

To copy/spread a culture from one province to another, we simply need to assign a province the "spread_culture" flag, and then the other province the "copy_culture" flag. Then this huge event will deal with transferring the cultures appropriately.

Of course we could play a lot better with this, though. Instead of assigning the culture directly, we could assign a variable value to it.

change_variable = { which = danish_culture value = +0.1 }

Then, in another event, when this value surpasses a certain number, we assign the correct new culture to the province. Obviously, this would be another huge event, though. This "variable" idea is based on my religions migrations mod. This way provinces can have different values for different cultures, allowing us to play with minority cultures and the such.

This is still an immense job, but I think it's the simplest way we can do this. What do you guys think?

[Elmokki]

As with the idea of a simplified dynastic system for EU3 this suffers from the limited moddability of EU3.

You can't put modifiers to general categories (or in the ideal solution of being able to mod by proper programming, can't have them be specific instances of "culture_spread_modifier") and therefore many good and interesting things come either with horrible blocks of triggers and hundreds of nearly the same events for different cultures/dynasties/whatever or they won't come at all.

It's sad, really.

[aenariel]

Well, I've been thinking about this; even if I can't solve the scope problem in the draft I posted here, just creating a global flag to "transport" the culture, and then in another mega-event doing the transition, the whole thing is still very much doable, although hella boring to code.

[aenariel]

As with the idea of a simplified dynastic system for EU3 this suffers from the limited moddability of EU3.

You can't put modifiers to general categories (or in the ideal solution of being able to mod by proper programming, can't have them be specific instances of "culture_spread_modifier") and therefore many good and interesting things come either with horrible blocks of triggers and hundreds of nearly the same events for different cultures/dynasties/whatever or they won't come at all.

It's sad, really.

Yea, it's sad, because there are a lot of good ideas around and a lot of people to code them, but with these kind of obstacles there's few of us willing to spend time with this.

[hyme]

keeping an eye on this,

[hyme]

Yea, it's sad, because there are a lot of good ideas around and a lot of people to code them, but with these kind of obstacles there's few of us willing to spend time with this.

well you write the base code and I could make sure each culture get it.

[quill]

I could really use something like this in my mod, to simulate the historical migrations of cultural groups like the Mexica or Taino.

[aenariel]

I've come up with a set of events to copy cultures from an undetermined province to another, fully functional. All modders will need is to adapt this to their own mods, by adding/removing cultures as needed.

Will post here in a few minutes the draft (as I said, it works).

[aenariel]

Here's the copy culture set and an example of an event that uses it:

province_event = {

  	id = 719000

	trigger = {
		NOT = { has_global_flag = copyculture }
		any_neighbor_province = {
			NOT = { culture = THIS }
		}
 	}

	mean_time_to_happen = { 
		days = 14
	}

	title = "EVTNAME719000"
	desc = "EVTDESC719000"

	immediate = { 
		set_global_flag = migration_in_progress 
		set_global_flag = copyculture
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA719000"
		ai_chance = { factor = 100 }
		set_province_flag = spread_culture
		random_neighbor_province = {
			limit = { NOT = { culture = THIS } }
			set_province_flag = copy_culture
		}
	}
}

[hyme]

I going to give it a try will let you know how it goes.

[aenariel]

I going to give it a try will let you know how it goes.

Good, let me know. I've made all that in less than 1 hour, but it's 7 am so something might be off. I'll be testing it (and making some events I had in mind for a while) during the day.

[Darken]

hmmm...This is basicly what I wanted to do with the accepted culture idea that somebody had and i tried to make the event for him and TN mod. I wanted only accepted cultures to spread....but the limits seemed to refuse to allow a accepted culture command or perhaps it was not properly accepting the THIS command on it. you should eventualy add modifiers to the starting spread events IMO. anyway good job and if you get accepted culture to spread let us know please (then maybe I could use your work in TN mod if you dont mind ).

[aenariel]

This is just to copy cultures from a province to another. Basically it allows doing (in)directly what the game doesn't allow with direct coding... Now we can code whatever events we want and tell the main events to copy the culture from province X to province Y.

I will code a few standard events but obviously anyone may use this as they wish.

The events are nothing special really, and they need to be further changed if there are different cultures than the ones in vanilla.

Well, I'm going to mess around a bit and let you guys know if this is working properly.

[aenariel]

There was a stupid bug on the first event (forgot to close a bracket), I'll reupload shortly after making some tests, posted along with another event I coded that uses the new events. No sleep = dimished coding skillz. :P

[aenariel]

This one is so good I want to cry.

province_event = {

	id = 454549

	trigger = {
		is_overseas = no
		owner = { NOT = { accepted_culture = THIS } }
		NOT = { has_global_flag = copyculture }
		owner = {
			any_owned_province = {
				is_colony = yes
				has_owner_culture = yes		
			}
		}
	}

	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 1
	}
	
	title = "EVTNAME454549"
	desc = "EVTDESC454549"

	immediate = {
		set_global_flag = copyculture
		set_global_flag = migration_in_progress
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA454549"
		owner = {
			random_owned = {
				limit = {
					is_colony = yes
					has_owner_culture = yes					
				}
				set_province_flag = copy_culture
				citysize = 500
			}
		}
		citysize = -500
		set_province_flag = spread_culture
		
	}
}

In case you have a province without an accepted culture, it sends 500 pop from that province to a colony, and changes the colony's culture to the culture of the province that sent the pop.

Works like a charm!

Here's the copy_culture file with the fixed events!