Yugoslav Wars

Amallric said:

So far we are not really focused on tech teams and OOB because we want to finish the minister setup and the map first. In the first version technology will not be included because it wasn't a very important part of the Yugoslavian war.

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Well I wouldn`t say that technology was a crucial, but JNA had a lot`s of obsolete equipment, and later in war croatia produced some modernized weapons itself ,like tanks(the only tank factory
in ex yugoslavia was in Slavonski Brod, which is part of croatia), artillery, and some specialized vheicles.
if you didn`t know all countries of ex yugoslavia had an arms embargo
and serbia even had na economic sanctions, so their entire production was
slown down ,they had tanks, but didn`t have fuel for them, and their repair was much heavyer.

Croatia didn`t have economic sanctions, so they could buy rescources freely, But this was not so necessery becuase Croatia had almost all rescources enough for domestic needs like oil and supplies, rescources which croatia didn`t have enought has been bought ,only if that was necessary)
Even today croatia produces almost 60-70% of oil on domestic fields,
and 40-50% of natural gas,( for own needs)

So we should pay attention in the game on those things too, and economy
as well

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We haven't the OOBs so far but if you have one for Croatia I think it could be very helpful, as you seem to know very well the subject. [/QUOTE

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By the way,what the OOB stands for?

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By the way what is OOB?

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JRHINDO said:

Like^said technology will not be touched just now as big plans have been made up and we lack a knowledged tech modder.

On economics, thanks for reminding that! We will need maps of industry distribution, agriculture, populations and roads, in order to make things realist and not just put ic here and there like Pdox do.

Edit: preview of tech tree if you want

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Mesina2 said:

Hmh, nice.
But what's LV2?

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JRHINDO said:

Further trade agreements with an import zone.

This was for Infantry, Armor and Air btw.
Sea will be something independant because there was nearly no naval actions.

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The Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) was initially formed during World War II to carry out guerrilla warfare against Axis occupation. The success of the Partisan movement led to the JNA basing much of its operational strategy on guerrilla warfare. Due to the unique political stance of Yugoslavia in Europe, the strategic planners of the Army expected to face an attack by either NATO or Warsaw Pact forces. Expecting to be badly outmatched, the JNA decided to pursue a guerrilla strategy, which would prove disastrous in the upcoming war, since the JNA found itself in a position of an attacker without local civilian support - the very role they intended for invaders of Yugoslavia.

Still, on paper, the JNA looked like a powerful force with 2,000 tanks and 300 jet aircraft (all either Soviet or locally produced). However, by 1991, majority of this equipment was over 30 years old: the main T-54/55 tank and the MiG-21 aircraft made up 60% and 40% of the tank force and air-force respectively. By contrast, more modern cheap anti-tank (like AT-5) and anti-aircraft (like SA-14) missiles were abundant, which were designed to destroy much more advanced weaponry. Furthermore, the JNA was a multinational force: the political infighting meant that desertion of men (especially educated cadre from Yugoslavia's more developed northern areas) would ruin the Army's effectiveness. With the retreat of the JNA forces in 1992, JNA units were reorganized as the Army of Serb Krajina, which was a direct heir to JNA organization with little improvement. During 1991, an important role in the Yugo/Serb military assault forces was filled by paramilitary units like Beli Orlovi, Srpski Četnički Pokret, etc. that committed numerous massacres against Croat and other non-Serbs civilians.

By contrast to this force, the Croatian Army was in much worse state. At the early stages of the war, lack of military units meant that the Croatian police force would take much of the brunt of fighting - eventually the police would form the core of the new military force - initially named "Zbor Narodne Garde" (ZNG), later "Hrvatska Vojska" (HV) - that was formed in 1990,[citation needed] but not really developed until 1993. Weaponry was always lacking and many units were formed either unarmed or with WW2-era rifles. The Croatian Army had just a handful of tanks (even older WW2 veterans like the T-34) and its air-force was even worse: a few old Antonov An-2 biplane crop-dusters were converted to drop makeshift bombs. However, since the soldiers were defending their homeland the army was exceptionally motivated, and was formed into local fighting units - so people from a village would defend their own village - which meant they were fairly effective in their home grounds. In August 1991, the Croat Army had fewer than 20 brigades, which would grow to 60 by the end of the year through general mobilization which was initiated in October. Seizing of JNA's barracks in the Battle of the barracks would slightly alleviate the problem of equipment shortage. Local volunteers and organizations like HOS were formed early on to ease the problem of lack of units, but were later integrated into the regular army.

By 1995, the Croatian Army would develop into an effective fighting force centered on the elite "Guard Brigades" (eight) and less effective "Home Defence Regiments" and regular brigades (most of which were reorganized into Regiments in 1992). This organization meant that in later campaigns, the Croatian army would pursue a variant of blitzkrieg tactics, with Guard brigades taking the role of punching holes in the enemy lines, while other units simply held the front at other points and completed the encirclement of enemy units.

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Flint 912 said:

Oh yes there were naval battles too, not in classic way( like the battle of capital ships, becuse croatia didn`t have navy at the start of the war, but croatia captured a few vessels from the JRM(jugoslav navy) naval bases, which fall into croatian hands )
Croatia also armed a speedboats, with machine guns, and other weapons like
grenade launchers(zolja), which run supply convoys into seiged cities like Dubrovnik. Major battle was near the island of Brač(Brački kanal, Splitski tjesnac i Splitska vrata) where JRM was defeated, croatian costal artillery
attacked JRM ships.

Croatian cities like Split,Zadar, Šibenik, Dubrovnik were heavily bombed from the sea by the jugoslav navy, JRM also tried invasion of island Šolta( an island near Split), islands Mljet, Lastovo and Vis were under ocupation. Dubrovnik was under the seige, and all naval ways were disrupted so croatian civilian ships(fisherman boats, ferries) couldnt sail at all for some time.

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Amallric said:

So I think if you find any error it's more constructive to correct us and let us know instead of saying that we shouldn't do the mod...

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Look, I didn`t mean that you can`t do the mod becuse you don`t know every detail.
I meant that you should know some details little better (so that the number of errors would be minimial),
than you are able to go modding(becuse you know what exactly happened). But I see(from your post) that you are doing it just fine.

If you and anyone else find offended with the details of my previous post
please sorry.( after all english is not my native language, so the error is possible)

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Hax said:

Flint 912 thanks for your ideas but we take one step each time.
We first want to focus on the GFX part.
Then we will start with OOB's, TT, production etc.
So please don't talk about that

You could check the Herzeg-Bosna cabinet:
Head of State: Mate Boban*
Head of Goverment: Jadranko Prlic*
Foreign Minister: Jadranko Prlic*
Armament Minister: Bruno Stojic*
Minister of Security: Valentin Coric*
Head of Intelligence: Bruno Stojic*
Head of Staff: Milivoj Petkovic*
Chief of the Army: Milivoj Petkovic*
Chief of the Navy: Milivoj Petkovic*
Chief of the Air Force: Mate Boban*

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Hax said:

1 Description left, 6 countrys missing ministers, many military leaders missing.
Map: ???
Music: Bosnian soundpack soon done.
GFX: Vaximillian have done some good stuff for us!

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Hax said:

Desc: NATO, DELEX WILL MAKE IT! Nobody else!

Ministers: BOS, FRY, SA, (MAC), (MTN)
(TAG) = 1-2 ministers missing, the other one without parentheses lacks like 10-15.

Military leaders: For most lacks military leaders, but there will not be any in BETA so we will not focus on this.

GFX: We can't show everything, then it will not be so exciting install a whole new mod, therefore we have most of GFX secret

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