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How to make an OOB:

Code:
[B]###########################
#  ALLIED OOB                                #
###########################
landunit = {
	control = ENG
id = { type = 10178 id = 1 }
name = "21st Army Group"
leader = 1224 #Montgomery
location = 51 #NW Belgium

division = {
	locked = yes
id = { type = 10178 id = 2 }
name = "21st Army Group HQ"
type = hq
model = 2
strength = 50
   max_strength = 50
extra = sp_artillery
brigade_model = 2
}
}
###
landunit = {
	control = CAN
id = { type = 10178 id = 3 }
name = "1st Canadian Army"
leader = 52013 #Crerar
location = 45 #Coast to Antwerp

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 4 }
name = "1st Canadian Army HQ"
type = hq
model = 2
strength = 50
   max_strength = 50
extra = sp_artillery
brigade_model = 2
}

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 5 }
name = "1st Armored Brigade"
type = armor
strength = 50
max_strength = 50
model = 3 #
}
}
###
landunit = {
	control = CAN
id = { type = 10178 id = 6 }
name = "1st Corps"
leader = 52019 #Foulkes
location = 45 #Coast to Antwerp

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 8 }
name = "1st Infantry Div"
type = infantry
strength = 100
model = 4 #
}

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 9 }
name = "5th Armored Div"
type = armor
strength = 100
model = 3 #
}
}
###
landunit = {
	control = CAN
id = { type = 10178 id = 10 }
name = "2nd Corps"
leader = 52065 #Guy G. Simonds
location = 50 #Coast to Antwerp

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 12 }
name = "2nd Infantry Div"
type = infantry
strength = 100
model = 4 #
}

division = {
id = { type = 10178 id = 13 }
name = "3rd Infantry Div"
type = infantry
strength = 100
model = 4 #
}
}

}[/B]
^^Here is an exemple of OOB, this is for the ardennes hoi scenario.



This is important and what is it:
Code:
1) landunit = {
2) id = { type = 10178 id = 10 }
3) name = "2nd Corps"
4) leader = 52065 #Guy G. Simonds
5) location = 50 #Coast to Antwerp
6) division = {
7) id = { type = 10178 id = 9 }
8) name = "5th Armored Div"
9) type = armor
10) strength = 100
11) model = 3 #
12) }
13) }
14)
1) This is needed to make hoi army corps, groups of divisions. For air and naval units, replace air and naval in place of land in landunit.
2) This is kinda complicated. The type is just a country code, but it can be a random number. The id is a code for units, there is 1 id for land units and for divisions. Germany's 1st div will be id 2 and 1st landunit will be id 1.
3) This is the name.
4) The leader of unit, the code is the leader country files inside db.
5) This is the unit's location.
6) Division is just division, for land air or naval units, it never changes.
7) See 2)
8) See 3)
9) Now this is the division's type, the type is in db units. Can be from fighter to infantry and battleship.
10) This is for unit's strength, you can remove it without harm and unit will be at 100
11) This is for a division's unit model, the model is in db units and must look inside the division unit type to find the correct model.
12) DONT FORGET the end bracket '}' for division code.
13) SEE 12) for landunit code.
14) This is just to say that you need to add final bracket '}' after the last landunit code, to close the country code.


Now if you have a motorized infantry unit in Belgrade it will look like this (random):
landunit = {
id = { type = 10500 id = 1 }
name = "1st JNA Motorized Corp"
leader = 5000 #Stefan Jabloni
location = 1250 #Belgrade
division = {
id = { type = 10500 id = 2 }
name = "1st Motorized Infantry Div"
type = motorized
model = 6
}
division = {
id = { type = 10500 id = 3 }
name = "2nd Motorized Infantry Div"
type = motorized
model = 6
}
}
 
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Sorry but we don't have any info for Albania, it's only Yugoslavia that will have starting units, all other countries will get units via events or production.

JRHINDO isn't it possible via event to change country of a unit? Like some Yugoslav divisions turn into Serb?
Also should every federal republic have some TO(Territorial Defence) units?
 
JRHINDO isn't it possible via event to change country of a unit? Like some Yugoslav divisions turn into Serb?
Maybe but I dont know how to do it...
Also should every federal republic have some TO(Territorial Defence) units?
Do we have info on them?
 
Do we have info on them?
Each republic had enough weapons for several divisions stored in strategic places in case of the foreign attack (each county had own storage). That was called TO.
IRL, JNA took control of that arsenal in Slovenia and Croatia (not sure about Bosnia) as a measure to keep peace. In the game terms republics would get TO units only if JNA doesn't take control over stored weaponary. IRL, most of these weapons were distributed to local Serb population to fund Armies of RS and RSK. Maybe you could link these events/decisions?

How much weaponry had TO? Don't know exactly but I know that they had some heavy stuff (e.g. howitzers, POVs) but no tanks. Bajlo should know this.


Question. Why don't you move to DH now? Surely, migrating later implies migration of more stuff to DH.
 
Each republic had enough weapons for several divisions stored in strategic places in case of the foreign attack (each county had own storage). That was called TO.
IRL, JNA took control of that arsenal in Slovenia and Croatia (not sure about Bosnia) as a measure to keep peace. In the game terms republics would get TO units only if JNA doesn't take control over stored weaponary. IRL, most of these weapons were distributed to local Serb population to fund Armies of RS and RSK. Maybe you could link these events/decisions?

How much weaponry had TO? Don't know exactly but I know that they had some heavy stuff (e.g. howitzers, POVs) but no tanks. Bajlo should know this.
So this could mean garrison units and militias? An approximation of how many weapon stocks and how many divs per weapon stocks could help.
Question. Why don't you move to DH now? Surely, migrating later implies migration of more stuff to DH.
Migration wont help us if we still have bugs bloking the game.
 
So this could mean garrison units and militias? An approximation of how many weapon stocks and how many divs per weapon stocks could help.
Croatia could have armed 204 000 men with TO weapons. JNA took over that arsenal from Socialist Republic of Croatia in May 1990. There were 364 depots of which JNA 178 controlled directly. My sources say that JNA failed to take over Slovenian TO (about 60 000 men). Most of this were light personal weapons and some artillery pieces.

I strongly believe that these units should be represented as militia in game terms. Later those units will form the backbone of RSK, RS and ABiH. If you set them as garrison they will not be able to take part in offensive actions. I would represent TO units as militia with some odd once having artillery attachment.
 
Yes I agree with you Hogar!
Was those TO active before the war or did they in secret start to arm up before the wars(Croatia and Slovenia) or where they like reserves which could be called in if some other country attacked??

Did the TO division later become real "divisions" in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia? My idea is like you say to create these TOs as militia and some with attachments. And then via event disband and put full divisions instead in historical places that those divisions operated.

Also how shall we fix so divisions operate in historical? I mean like 5. corps in Bosnia operated in Bosnian Krajina, how to fix so they don't go to Sarajevo or somewhere else?
 
Hax said:
Yes I agree with you Hogar!
Was those TO active before the war or did they in secret start to arm up before the wars(Croatia and Slovenia) or where they like reserves which could be called in if some other country attacked??
Original intention was to use TO as units against the foreign attack. They were meant to slow down attacker while main defence was organised preferably in Bosnia, Montenegro, etc...
TO weapons were owned by Republics and only some parts of the Arsenal were stored in objects that JNA controlled (if Croatia is a base example than it was close to 50/50 split).
When Yugoslavia started breaking up, TO were called up when it was clear the war was invertible. Prior to that Republics operated with Special Police Unit, which often were extremely good but few in numbers. Also, no one really wanted to be seen as provoking JNA.
JNA could not take parts of the TO Arsenal in ownership of Republics without provoking constitutional crisis. Now, last Communist government of Croatia gave its part of TO weapons to JNA consensually. It was the only Republic to do so. [hint => event]
Hax said:
Did the TO division later become real "divisions" in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia? My idea is like you say to create these TOs as militia and some with attachments. And then via event disband and put full divisions instead in historical places that those divisions operated.
Don't think that many TO units managed to become elite or good enough to justify jump to infantry division (in game terms). If it did happen it was an exception rather then a rule.

Hax said:
Also how shall we fix so divisions operate in historical? I mean like 5. corps in Bosnia operated in Bosnian Krajina, how to fix so they don't go to Sarajevo or somewhere else?
In game terms, I doubt 5th Corps would be able to have any sort of connection to Sarajevo. They should get 'naturally' surrounded with JNA units taking defensive positions and eventually siding with RS. If player is good enough and can maintain this connection why forcing 5th Corps to operate from an enclave?
 
I've been little busy in real world, I got a photo fair coming up on 22 October so don't except to see much of me until then. :sad:

How much weaponry had TO? Don't know exactly but I know that they had some heavy stuff (e.g. howitzers, POVs) but no tanks. Bajlo should know this.

This is little mystery for me to, JNA had lots of older weapons type transferred to TO, virtually nothing got scraped no matter how obsolete it was, so bunch of T-34, M-18, M-36 with T-55 engines, 88mm Flak-18 with 85mm gun barrels as coastal artillery got used in action once again. Several local museums holding Partisans and Axis weapons got plundered... I think I saw somewhere a photo of Lewis gun or something similar! But no clear info what was used by TO and what was stored under JNA control.

Did the TO division later become real "divisions" in Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia? My idea is like you say to create these TOs as militia and some with attachments. And then via event disband and put full divisions instead in historical places that those divisions operated.

One of the huge blunders at the beginning of war in Croatia was distrust in TO Croatia and its officers unlike Slovenia where it TO quickly defeated JNA initial actions. While Dalmatia managed to successfully defend itself relying on TO organization for quick mobilization despite lack of weapons in many places TO got abandoned in favor of political appointments to command positions. Basically instead of regular TO brigade with battalions which could be then deployed to the front line local militia were formed with companies divided with each one defending its own village and local warlords refusing to obey orders from higher commands.

It took weeks before ex-JNA officers who defected to sort that mess up since they were also distrusted despite the fact that they risked firing squad for treason if Croatia lost the war. Former Legionnaires were highly praised but there were too few of them to have much of an impact and they lacked experience with high level command so once again politics and war profiteering ruled.

Luckily for Croatia, TO raised by Serbs was in no better shape with exception of having plenty of weapons and ammo and JNA was constantly undermanned badly lacking infantry to support its armored-mechanized formations, still many local Croatian militia companies defending their villages got easily overran since lack of Croatian centralized command meant that JNA had full initiative allowing it concentrate everything on single point of attack without any risk for its flanks since militia weren't in any shape to pose threat even if they obeyed orders to attack. (Unlike WW2 when Germans risked losing huge areas if they concreted their units against Partisans in single area)

I'm still trying to collect data on all Croatian units but if we want realism there is no single rule for their creation at best several individual battalions would be formed by single event with extra battalions being formed as player takes control of key location (JNA warehouses). We can use DH decisions for that, there is even decisions for buying obsolete equipment to form units so we can recycle that to represent weapons smuggled from abroad at ridicules prices.

So events should give player regular guard and militia TO battalions (divisions in HOI) which later get attachments (brigades in HOI) in form of tanks platoons, artillery batteries etc. Also Croatian police should be part of the OOB since police officers often played first line of defense before regular units were formed and Special Police was key formation during the war. BTW I received e-mail few years ago from members of Bosnian Special Police, before the war they had the best weapons money can buy and when the war begun unit split by ethnic lines and fought on both sides... talk about complex scenario... :cool:

We don't want too many Croatian units on the map from start since it would allow player to easily exploit HOI engine, Croatia ended war with over 200 000 soldiers under arms while JNA and Serbian TO never had more then 100 000 (limiting Serbian manpower with mobilization events is a must, unless Croatian or Bosnian player decides to invade Serbia ;))