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    Org issue seems to go away as soon as ministers are back in place. I've fixed up YUG and regain is now 0.12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogar View Post
    RE map: That map is a map of YUGO consumerism. Those are shopping mall brands. Female road to heaven .

    How much was produced in Central Bosnia? That area was littered with ammo and arms factories. Did any of that worked during war?
    e.g. Licki Osik factory 'Marko Orešković' produced ammo throughout the war for RSK and RS. It was fully loaded with supplies and fully operational when Croats took it in 1995.
    I know that the "Bratstvo" factory in Novi Travnik produced some minor amount of ammo during the war. But the factory was in 1994 almost completely blown up by Serb planes(see Banja Luka incident). Novi Travnik is a very young city(50-60 years old I think), the city was created so that the workers in the ammo factories could live very near and work. I'm unsure but I think that Novi Travnik was made in 50's or 60's or I'm maybe completely wrong and thinking on something else.
    The factory is located in the southern part of the city and I think that ARBiH controlled it during most of the Bosniak-Croat war.

    There is/was an ammo factory in Vitez also, don't know so much about this one. The only thing I know is that HVO controlled it when the Washington Agreement was made.

    I know that there is/was a military barrack in Travnik. It is "bordering" one side of the main road through Travnik and it's very big. Don't know if there was any ammo production here.

    I don't know if Jajce and Busovace had any ammo factories.

    I read in a book about the Bosniak-Croat war in Central Bosnia that the factory in Novi Travnik couldn't work 100% without having the explosives which was made in the Vitez factory. And vice-versa, the Vitez factory couldn't work 100% without having the military components being made in the Novi Travnik factory.

    I will try to find some more info about this!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hogar View Post
    Victory Points distribution reworked.
    I've used population density as main factor but I also added extra points to certain strategic places (e.g. Brcko) and certain significant places (e.g. Srebrnica).
    I am sure we will get back to this at some point to adjust once we start working on AI. AI interest can be upped for VP-provinces for those who didn't know.
    Great! We must create a list how to distribute VP's, just like we made for giving airport level to provinces.
    I agree with you, we must first complete the dirty job(OOB, AI, map and DB) then we can start to add some flavour to this mod!

    P.S. I have now made the Croatian ministers playable. I will upload all the files in some days when all countries will have ministers.
    But I still can't like in Armageddon change the ministers, I mean I can't switch between ministers for a seat even if there is more then one minister for every seat. Do somebody know what is causing this problem?

    Org issue seems to go away as soon as ministers are back in place. I've fixed up YUG and regain is now 0.12.
    Hmmm... Very strange! But please don't worry I will make all the ministers playable, please don't waste time on that!

    What can I do when the ministers are done? Shall I start converting the Slovenian military leaders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    I read in a book about the Bosniak-Croat war in Central Bosnia that the factory in Novi Travnik couldn't work 100% without having the explosives which was made in the Vitez factory. And vice-versa, the Vitez factory couldn't work 100% without having the military components being made in the Novi Travnik factory.
    Now that you have stated this I remember this fact. I was thinking we somehow make these provinces more valuable so they are worth fighting for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Great! We must create a list how to distribute VP's, just like we made for giving airport level to provinces.
    My method was very simplistic. Take cities with more than 100k and allocate 5 points unless capital city in which case they get 10.
    Cities above 25k get 3 points, and places above 5k get 1 point. I have also given extra points to some strategic places but did not think too hard about it. It's all just provisional at this point. I've done same with ICs. I just want to get some basis in and we get back to bettr methods later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    P.S. I have now made the Croatian ministers playable. /// Do somebody know what is causing this problem?
    Not right now. I think if you don't fix this for next beta I will not cry. We are just putting building blocks in place for now. If you get list of ministers that is good enuf for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Hmmm... Very strange! But please don't worry I will make all the ministers playable, please don't waste time on that!
    I just corrected 10 ids in CRO.inc and YUG.inc file. I didn't spend much time on it at all. I just read on on of the threads that ministers play a role in org regain. I wanted to test this theory...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    What can I do when the ministers are done? Shall I start converting the Slovenian military leaders?
    Good idea. I have pictures of following SLO leaders:
    Vladimir Milosevic, Petar Zupan, Janez Lesjak, Bogdan Beltram, Alojz Gutman.
    Link to a file containing few pics of SLO and RSK leaders. There are also few other misc things, like a header from 'Glasnik Krajine' which I thought would be a great way to display news/events for RSk player. I was hoping to add Oslobodjenje, Vecernji, Politika and other news papers...
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    I forgot to mention that there was also a ammo/explosives factory in Bugojno(ARBiH controlled). Don't know if it was active or destroyed during the war.

    How to distribute Victory Points:
    Capitol city of a country = 10 VP
    Capitol city of separatist country = 7 VP
    City with a minimum population of 100 000 = 5 VP
    City with a minimum population of 25 000 = 3 VP
    City with a minimum population of 10 000 = 1 VP
    Strategic province(important mountain, canyon, connection province(Brcko, Modrica) etc.) = 2 VP
    Religious and cultural province = 1 VP

    Brcko would get 3(over 25k)+2(connection province)=5 VP

    Good?

    And places above 5k get 1 point.
    That would mean that almost all province would have 1 VP, it's better to have a minimum of 10k to get 1 VP. You agree?

    Thanks for the military leaders! Saved!

    Was "Glasnik Krajine" the official newspaper of the RSK government or was it the biggest private newspaper?
    What was the biggest newspaper in Croatia in the '90s?
    For Bosnia it should be Oslobodjenje or Ljiljan. Dnevni Avaz(then called Bosnjacki Avaz) wasn't a big newspaper then I think.
    I think you Hogar knows more then me.

    It's possible to change flag for a country in-game. All countries should in the beginning of the have the Yugo social federal republic flag and then it's changed when a country gets independence. But as I said earlier we will do that later when we have finished the boring and dirty job.
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    It's spelled capital, Haxi. «Capital» is the city and «capitol» is the building where the government resides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    How to distribute Victory Points:
    Don't disagree at all. I'll have a look to see if this changes much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    That would mean that almost all province would have 1 VP, it's better to have a minimum of 10k to get 1 VP. You agree?
    We don't want to use this rule in Vojvodina but we must in Eastern Bosnia. It can't be a blanket rule. Not important at this point. We have now a starting position.

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    Thanks for the military leaders! Saved!
    Good!. I've deleted the file from mediafire...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Was "Glasnik Krajine" the official newspaper of the RSK government or was it the biggest private newspaper?
    That was an official government herald. I don't know if there was a RSK newpaper covering the whole country. It was more likely to have few regional papers.
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    What was the biggest newspaper in Croatia in the '90s?
    No idea. For Croatia we could use 'Narodne Novine' which was a government herald.
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    For Bosnia it should be Oslobodjenje or Ljiljan. Dnevni Avaz(then called Bosnjacki Avaz) wasn't a big newspaper then I think.
    I think you Hogar knows more then me.
    I am not 100% sure. This is flavour so I just thought we pick one from each country to give it more in-depth look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    It's possible to change flag for a country in-game. All countries should in the beginning of the have the Yugo social federal republic flag and then it's changed when a country gets independence. But as I said earlier we will do that later when we have finished the boring and dirty job.
    I think it is possible but I would need to check. Agree that this is not hugely important.

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    Yes Vaxi... You want to do some GFX for this mod again? Some flags, event pics and maybe some division pics?

    Hogar:

    Don't disagree at all. I'll have a look to see if this changes much.
    Okay, great! I have one question, should Sarajevo for example gain both VP from being the capital city of Bosnia and having a bigger population then 100k?

    Capitol city of a country = 10 VP
    City with a minimum population of 100 000 = 5 VP

    Should it have at least 10 or 15 VP? Then of course it should also have some VPs for cultural, religious and strategic importance(adding 1-2VP).

    We don't want to use this rule in Vojvodina but we must in Eastern Bosnia. It can't be a blanket rule. Not important at this point. We have now a starting position
    I think 10k would be a good minimum limit for giving provinces 1 VP.

    Was "Glasnik Krajine" the official newspaper of the RSK government or was it the biggest private newspaper?
    Maybe some of the Serbs know this better, wasn't there some Serbs from Krajina here on this thread? I could send some PMs if they aren't so active on this forum.

    No idea. For Croatia we could use 'Narodne Novine' which was a government herald.
    So "Narodne Novine" is the only government herald? Was it active during the war?
    What private herald was the biggest and important one during the war? We should only use those which were active during the war and not those who are active today. I want this mod to be so historical accurate as possible.

    I am not 100% sure. This is flavour so I just thought we pick one from each country to give it more in-depth look.
    I think "Ljiljan" should be the herald for Bosnia. See link: http://www.armijabih.com/index.php?o...talo&Itemid=59

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    Alright I have now converted all the ministers except for SFRY.
    Hogar, could you please send the SFRY file(s), didn't you do some changes in the naval OOB?

    I got a problem with Macedonia, Vojvodina and Kosovo ministers but I think I know what is causing them now show up during in game. I will fix this as soon as possible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Yes Vaxi... You want to do some GFX for this mod again? Some flags, event pics and maybe some division pics?
    Sure. Just gimme some tasks to do and images to process.

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    Capitol city of a country = 10 VP
    Capital, Haxi, capital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Hogar, could you please send the SFRY file(s), didn't you do some changes in the naval OOB?
    Naval OOB is commented out until I get time to do Naval events. About a 1/4 of the fleet was in docks for repairs. That's how Croats managed to capture so many ships.
    If you want to see what we have, look at the bottom of the YUG.inc file and remove leading '#' in naval OOB.

    Since I've sent last files I've fixed up some issues wit the events and added events for YNA redeployment from Slovenia with the issue from the previous page still unresolved. OOB naval also requires ports. Airforce OOB is hitting a config issue which I've been asking JHR to look at for some time now. I can't resolve it.
    I think I am nearing the end of what I would want to include in the first patch. Last thing is a bit of balancing after JRH does his bit and an event to model Sarajevo peace accords in early January 1992.
    We also need your input on leaders and ministers.
    Last edited by Hogar; 01-05-2012 at 04:59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaximillian View Post
    Capital, Haxi, capital.
    Capital mistake??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogar View Post
    Capital mistake??
    Yep, the capitalest of them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaximillian View Post
    Sure. Just gimme some tasks to do and images to process.
    First I want to know what flag style this mod is using. Do you know that?

    @Hogar, could you please send the scenario file for SFRY and the db file for them (ministers_yug)?
    You want me to send the ministers together with the Slovenian military leaders or separate? I'm not finished with the Slovenian military leaders.

    Also I have noticed that some things have disappeared that existed on the ARMA version. Novi Zagreb, West Mostar aren't urban. Some minor GFX things are gone. Do you know what could cause this? Will the mod crash if I just copy the whole map files from ARMA to DH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    First I want to know what flag style this mod is using. Do you know that?
    I think it's AoD-like HoI. That darker and duller kind. Not 146% sure though.
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    @Hax. Check you PM. I'll email you the link to requested data.

    I don't particularly need Slovenians, I am happy to see them in the next patch. Send them to JHR, he's supposed to merge all changes, right?
    Re: Mostar and Novi Zagreb. I don't think I have modified any province types. I only changed province links which comes from another file. I have no idea what is missing. I ignore graphics folders...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaximillian View Post
    I think it's AoD-like HoI. That darker and duller kind. Not 146% sure though.
    Could you please convert these flags: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociali...deral_subjects

    Do you think we should re-do all flags with a new style?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hogar View Post
    @Hax. Check you PM. I'll email you the link to requested data.

    I don't particularly need Slovenians, I am happy to see them in the next patch. Send them to JHR, he's supposed to merge all changes, right?
    Re: Mostar and Novi Zagreb. I don't think I have modified any province types. I only changed province links which comes from another file. I have no idea what is missing. I ignore graphics folders...
    Downloaded! Thanks!
    About Novi Zagreb and Mostar, I will just try to copy some of the map files from the ARMA version to DH version. I hope it won't crash the game.

    We should also now once for all choose what unit types we should use, and what should be the lowest size of an unit.
    Is it battalion or brigade? Or maybe something smaller/bigger?

    EDIT: Is it possible to change the year in DH? I mean that we use 1991 instead of 1091, or will the AI stop function after year 2000 like in HoI:Armageddon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    We should also now once for all choose what unit types we should use, and what should be the lowest size of an unit.
    Is it battalion or brigade? Or maybe something smaller/bigger?
    I've used battalions. Brigades are just not enough for the game to function properly. Game like stacks and having brigades provides barely enough units to form front line. In some cases (like artillery battalions I've created units with max strength = 33 instead of 100). Even that may not be enough once we start Bosnia and mess we have there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Is it possible to change the year in DH? I mean that we use 1991 instead of 1091, or will the AI stop function after year 2000 like in HoI:Armageddon?
    To best on my knowledge there is no Y2K crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Do you think we should re-do all flags with a new style?
    Which one is «new» for the sake of the mod?
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    Replying here for transparency:
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    Hi,

    I wonder why you aren't so active on the forum, especially on the YW thread(s)? Is it like me, many exams? Will you help YW mod to create a patch when they are over? When can we expect you to be back?

    /Hax
    Sorry to have vanished on you guys, really was busy with schoolwork papers to do and is currently preparing for end year (june) massive exams, tho I did do express modding on YW! Finished gfx (will upload and link tonight or tomorow for you guys to apply on your newer versions). Still redoing the units system and tech tree, will expand everything except the navy. Leaving Hax to fix ministers and do the leaders, as I think it was me who broke these so I wont touch them ever again!! Also I was tooling around with the DH new codes and features but ended up corrupting everything, so that will have to be figured out soon.

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    Ah shit, sry for the delay guys I totally forgot about posting the link for the new gfx. Here: http://www.mediafire.com/?4fhoh3b4dwzw326

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    Hello guys. I have a few problems with this mod:
    - Nothing happens after Slovenian and Croatian voting for independence
    - There are no units
    - I can't load any saved game

    Wondering why. Probably I did something wrong, and I hope you'll help me with this. Best regards.

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