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The green tide shall cover the world! Muahahahaha!

I wonder how the muslims in Asia are doing though.... Maybe Islam has been completely eredicated in China, India and Indochina? Or maybe it went as far as making the emperors of Japan and China muslim?

And about the previous update -

I'm just waiting for some poor half irish/half english boy to realise he is to be the grandest admiral and pirate to ever live to turn the situation.
 
Carthaginians in the Baltic?
More awesome than the raids on the British isles!
Soon there might be a raid at Memelgrad... :cool:
The Muslims got far, ironic that their raiders would eventually make it to the Viking homelands. Denmark, however, is the nation that controls that province Vesimir keeps asking me to conquer.

The green tide shall cover the world! Muahahahaha!

I wonder how the muslims in Asia are doing though.... Maybe Islam has been completely eredicated in China, India and Indochina? Or maybe it went as far as making the emperors of Japan and China muslim?

And about the previous update -

I'm just waiting for some poor half irish/half english boy to realise he is to be the grandest admiral and pirate to ever live to turn the situation.

I never really though about it, but from a moddr's perspective, leaving asia the way it is supposed to be is the easiest route. One could reason that the forces that pushed Islam west and the forces that pushed Islam east were two different forces. So, if there is some cool speculations, I shall be happy to include it into my mod. If not... it stays as is.

A little boy from Connacht...
 
With the possible exception of this AAR, this is my favorite. And even then, it's close.

I really hope you get this through EU III. I can't wait to see what happens to Prussia as it modernizes.
 
First I need to see how Genghis will do, then I will present a possible version of Asia.

And :D.
Poorly in Europe, maybe he concentrated on India? Mongols become Hindu?

With the possible exception of this AAR, this is my favorite. And even then, it's close.

I really hope you get this through EU III. I can't wait to see what happens to Prussia as it modernizes.
To be compared to Rensslaer is praise on its own.

I am doing my best to ensure that it happens, I have lots of ideas.

Great update, seems like were trying to get anther era of peace, wonder how Pius our dear King will really be.
Thanks, only time will tell. ;)
 
Homelands
Chapter Twenty One: Dawn of War
Part 4


Prelude:
The Caliph's rapid expansion in the first decade of the XIII Century was due to the final crush of Catholicism under its armed boot. Raids on the British Isles brought wealth and manpower required for the Caliph to undergo raids deeper into Christian territory. However, one region managed to remain untouched and beaconed to the Caliph like a golden goose: the Baltic. The Baltic Sea was the domain solely of the Prussian Kingdom. With the wealth and power to project its authority into the waters, other states either had to deal with tariffs or find another way to trade in the region. Most countries just accepted Prussian authority and dealt with it. In 1208 a new contender came into the ring, the Caliph. The Caliph hoped that Prussia would remain neutral during their invasions as they had promised with Western Europe. But King Meinekinus took the invasion of Denmark as a direct threat, but was hesitant to go to war with the Caliph. Instead he waged a satellite war funding the King of Denmark, a relative of his, in a fighting retreat to ensure as much of Denmark remained free as possible. In the end, Denmark would lose Jutland, Scania, its crown, and its independence. It wouldn't see unity again for almost two hundred years.

November 4th, 1208

Erik Knýtling, King of Denmark, was sailing off of Fyn for the last time. He looked back as the entire island seemed to burn, wafting a massive column of smoke upwards in the heavens. He was down to only a few last territories, and he would have to defend them to the last. With Sweden invading to the north, taking advantage of loss of Jutland to secure their own claim to his throne, Prussia remained the only hope. They were trying their hardest without actually committing to war: 4,000 troops, boats, embargos, and commanders. It was more than he had asked for, but it was too late to save the Kingdom from damage. From the south a ship chased after his own, it flew the Prussian banner was even from this distance, Erik could see it was manned by Prussians.

"Slow down, let them come up to us!" Erik ordered. As they did this the other ship slid carefully and quietly up to the side of his ship.

"Ahoy, my majesty, King Erik?"

"Yes."

"Good, I have been ordered by his majesty King Meinekinus to escort you to Pomerania."

"What?! Why? Am I to be some sort of prisoner."

"Nay, Swedes have attacked Copenhagen from the north. My King has declared war on Sweden and is currently sending 15,000 troops to defend Sjælland, but those troops are still a week away, it is likely that a treaty with Sweden would be the quickest way of securing the island, but it would also mean losing Scania and the crown of Denmark."

Erik sighed, it had come to this. Betrayed by one cousin and enslaved by another. "Fine, fine, fine! I'll sign the treaty with the Swedes, tell your King that there is no need to send so many troops." And so it was, over. Twisted, he though, a knife twisted so far round in my back... With a few of his personal guards he changed over to the Prussian ship and they moved him off toward his far-off lands.

November 21st, 1208

Erik was joined by Meinekinus and the King of Sweden, an ambassador from the Caliph also arrived in Copenhagen to humiliate Erik further. Denmark had been laid waste to, just another victim to Islam and Christian infighting. The Caliph made off with Jutland and Fyn, the Swedes with Scania and the crown of Denmark. Afterwards Erik sat down with Meinekinus to talk of the future.

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Prussia in 1209, in light red are territories lost by Denmark.

"Erik, it isn't much, but henceforth you are to be known as Erik Prince of Pomerania; under my full protection. My hope is to continue the resistance in Denmark through monetary means, and eventually retake your ream for you. Your family will have Denmark back in time."

"Yes but how long? Our realm suffers under the yoke of foreign tyranny."

"I understand, but we can only move so fast. The Caliph is strong now, and we dare not make a move that will cost us the freedom of all Christians everywhere. Resistance in Fyn is strong, I assume that in a few years... if that... the Caliph will pull off the island. We can retake it then, I promise."

"I will take comfort in that," Erik said.

"Good. I also want you to understand that as the Count of Sjælland you have a very important duty of us." Erik seemed to perk up as he looked up, "I need you to act as Prussia's first line defense against the Caliph coming from the sea. He has been warned that another excursion into the Baltic will be seen as a threat to us, and we shall deal with it as an act of war. I shall take no more of this in my backyard, he is beginning to outstay his welcome."

"What about England and the such?"

"We are doing what we can. We are definitely stepping up our support of others. My father and his father were very willing to let the outside world suffer as long as Prussia made a coin, but that is not the Christian way. I am tired of the suffering, and I will work to end it... here... and now." He turned to Erik and looked legitimately concerned.

"I shall take up your good fight, my lord."

"Good, that is all I can ask of my allies." Meinekinus put one hand on his goblet and lifted it to his lips. He took a slow sip and replaced the goblet on the table. He became very quiet as he put his mind to work.

"What is it, my lord?"

"The Baltic Sea is mine," Meinekinus said flatly, "It is my Sea, I am not sharing it with invaders." His face had a scowl on it now as the thought of the Caliph betraying Prussia's trust and honesty crossed his mind. It was personal, an insult. He turned his attention back to Erik, "Make sure that you watch Fyn, I will want to have it seized as soon as possible. Make sure to keep the flow of supplies to the island moving. Like I said, in only a short while we should be able to get it back. It will be a minor victory, but it is necessary to plug the Baltic back up."

"Yes, sir," Erik said. Result, he thought, are something I like.
 
To control the strait you need also Jylland and Skåne... :rolleyes:
Which means more war!
And it be better if you secure a land link to Jylland via Mecklemburg also... :D
 
To control the strait you need also Jylland and Skåne... :rolleyes:
Which means more war!
And it be better if you secure a land link to Jylland via Mecklemburg also... :D

But to have the isles means I can force things to be moved over land, especially given the Prussian naval influence over the region. But Skåne is in the plan... just not right now. ;)
 
Ekhem!

So my idea is that Genghis instead of going west went south. India conquered he went back and conquered Indochina. So India and Indochina instead of all Persia and the other muslims.

Genghis' son Ögedei decided to invade Japan and managed to complete it. He consolidated his rule and shortly after, died. The vultures came and ripped the empire to shreds. Four major khanates came out of the ruins of the great khanat. One in India, one in Indochina, one in Japan and one in China.

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This is just a loose basis. Editing is necesarry.

PS. What about RotB? Hiatus?
 
War, War never changes.

The Grand Prussian-Islam fights is about to begin.
In time, in time...

Ekhem!

So my idea is that Genghis instead of going west went south. India conquered he went back and conquered Indochina. So India and Indochina instead of all Persia and the other muslims.

Genghis' son Ögedei decided to invade Japan and managed to complete it. He consolidated his rule and shortly after, died. The vultures came and ripped the empire to shreds. Four major khanates came out of the ruins of the great khanat. One in India, one in Indochina, one in Japan and one in China.

Azja.jpg


This is just a loose basis. Editing is necesarry.

PS. What about RotB? Hiatus?
Looks good, I am thinking of something like this... only the Mongols accepted a mix of Hinduism and Buddhism. I might break it up a bit more, especially if things have fallen apart a bit.

-Yes, sorry... it is going to take a while... I made too many errors in the map so I am working on practice and then i will restart. It didn't help that I put it down a bit to concentrate on classes and then got sick. ;)
 
Here is my idea, based off yours, Vesimir:

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I don't like the idea that the Mongols conquered Japan, it was a serious issue for them, but I do believe they would have tried. So at this point the full empire has fallen apart. The thick lines and red shading represent the Empire at its fullest (including a small part of Japan). But by 1389 (the start of the Reign of King Doyvát in Prussia) the Empire has fallen. I think that after invading India and then Indochina the Mongols would have either become Buddhist or Hindu, or a combination of both. Needless to say Islam is much thinner in this part of the world. Hinduism and Buddhism will both get a boost, even to the point I doubt there will be much Islam in the Indies.
 
Hmph. But check the Kara-Khitai and Khwarezmian borders... ;)
I would not understand why the Genghis would not have spread westwards. Central Asia is far more closer to the original Mongol lands than India and Indochina.
There would have been anyway sooner or later a casus belli for Mongols to invade Central Asia, although Mongols never needed casus bellis. :D

I want to see the western Hordes!
Blue and White Ordas, Chagatai and Il-Khanates I much desire. :rolleyes:
 
Hmph. But check the Kara-Khitai and Khwarezmian borders... ;)
I would not understand why the Genghis would not have spread westwards. Central Asia is far more closer to the original Mongol lands than India and Indochina.
There would have been anyway sooner or later a casus belli for Mongols to invade Central Asia, although Mongols never needed casus bellis. :D

I want to see the western Hordes!
Blue and White Ordas, Chagatai and Il-Khanates I much desire. :rolleyes:

It is not about what makes sense, it is about what happened in the game. And what happened is that the Hordes sputtered in this game, so now we must explain why and what happened in the mean time.
 
It is not good that Denmark has fallen to the Caliphate. I find it hard to believe that the mongols would spread so far into south asia. Maybe they got to the Urals and decided that was far enough.
 
I find it hard to believe that the mongols would spread so far into south asia.

Why? India is just as rich as Samarkand and other big cities there. The mongols tried to attack the west but they got defeated. They also didn't see any riches so they turned back and decided to go south. (They couldn't go west and if they went north, they would be plainly crazy.)
 
It is not good that Denmark has fallen to the Caliphate. I find it hard to believe that the mongols would spread so far into south asia. Maybe they got to the Urals and decided that was far enough.

Why? India is just as rich as Samarkand and other big cities there. The mongols tried to attack the west but they got defeated. They also didn't see any riches so they turned back and decided to go south. (They couldn't go west and if they went north, they would be plainly crazy.)
Honestly, it is a game guys... you have no problem with 3,000 Saxon Soldiers creating a massive Empire in the Baltic (not exactly one of the richest regions at the time) but are drawing the line at the Mongols conquering India? ;)

I have plenty of time to actually decide what to do, so just take it easy everyone. It is not that big of a deal. :eek:o
 
I think it is perfectly plausible, but don't have them taking any of Japan; their initial navies would be too weak, and the Japanese would fight to the last. In addition, I say let the Mongols take the tip of India and Ceylon; let them unify India under Kublai in a grand Devaraja dynasty of true Mongols! Imagine Timur, a Khmerified Mongol Prince, taking Tibet and China back from the Ming!

The problem with South Asia is terrain, of course. The Mongols thrived in the west because the steppes of Asia and Persia perfectly accomodated the Mongol cavalry. Cavalry, unless on elephants, would not do as well in the jungles, and one would see Genghis dying in 'Nam due to homegrown medieval Vietcong. Northern India would work for the Mongols, so here is my plan; Hindu Khanate of Delhi unifies the peninsula, and the Buddhist Khans of Mongolia/Tibet/Western China unify China in Mahayana glory. Indochina should stay Hindu, and Srivajaya shall rule Indonesia. But you decide; you are the writer, and I shall read any scenario you decide to write.
 
I think it is perfectly plausible, but don't have them taking any of Japan; their initial navies would be too weak, and the Japanese would fight to the last. In addition, I say let the Mongols take the tip of India and Ceylon; let them unify India under Kublai in a grand Devaraja dynasty of true Mongols! Imagine Timur, a Khmerified Mongol Prince, taking Tibet and China back from the Ming!

The problem with South Asia is terrain, of course. The Mongols thrived in the west because the steppes of Asia and Persia perfectly accomodated the Mongol cavalry. Cavalry, unless on elephants, would not do as well in the jungles, and one would see Genghis dying in 'Nam due to homegrown medieval Vietcong. Northern India would work for the Mongols, so here is my plan; Hindu Khanate of Delhi unifies the peninsula, and the Buddhist Khans of Mongolia/Tibet/Western China unify China in Mahayana glory. Indochina should stay Hindu, and Srivajaya shall rule Indonesia. But you decide; you are the writer, and I shall read any scenario you decide to write.

Actually I like this scenario. It seems fair enough and will not require too much modding. The Mongols wouldn't have had any part of Japan at the beginning of the scenario, I just sampled a mixed victory for them, where they got a foothold and then lost it and moved on to better grounds.