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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    they kinda point towards their enemy, as they are in a battle.

    Since its a screenshot, you don't see all the nice little animations there.
    I always play with counters, but realizing that the guns on ships actually move is stunning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_brunius View Post
    About the replacement system, wouldn't it be more accurate to replace ships on individual basis? If only the DDs get damaged in a major taskforce it makes no sence to have the battleships and carriers be replaced aswell. The both fleets might have to meet half way or at the port (since we don't like damaged loners) but otherwise I see no problems.
    I thought the exact same thing, but if you read the dev diary carefully:

    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    With an added twist, each naval base can also be set up with a pool of reserves. These sit in port, repair if they need it, upgrade if they can, but when ever a fleet that is on an infinite order needs to return to port these ships will be used to replace them (providing they are of the same type).
    I'm guessing ships

    On a side note, this system of reserves will make convoy raiding not so much of a nuisance as it was in HoI2. You just set it up, and it can keep running with minimal interaction. Well done!

    A nice feature would be a warning popup when you run out of reserves (if they hadn't thought of that already!). You might be interested in knowing that there's a gap in your U-Boat screen

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    Great news, thanks Johan and other Dev team members!!!

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    Wow, missed a few weeks, but it's really coming along very nicely.

    Also, 4 weeks for a holiday in winter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labalag View Post
    Also, 4 weeks for a holiday in winter?
    You must be from North America, Europe is way ahead of us in terms of time off/stat holidays. Whats the average paid vacation time/year there, 4+ weeks?

    Its only 2 in North America....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy View Post
    You must be from North America, Europe is way ahead of us in terms of time off/stat holidays. Whats the average paid vacation time/year there, 4+ weeks?

    Its only 2 in North America....
    I'm Belgian, I only get three weeks of paid vacation plus a bonus every june. Oh woe is me...

    That's without counting days you can get from overtime/recup.
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    Ah, the update I've been waiting for. : )

    So cool that certain aspects of ships are upgradeable. So I can take the old HMS Hood, give her modern AA, radar, fire control, perhaps even new machinery and add'l deck armor, i.e. the proposed rebuild she never had. Naval geeks rejoice!

    The "scouting" feature is perfect. How instead of having the whole UK Home Fleet sailing back and forth in the Faroes Gap for months, I can send a couple cruisers to patrol there, and if they spot commerce raiders, the big ships set sail from Scapa (and the scouts will try their best NOT to engage the 2 BBs + 3 CAs).

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    Very nice update, I'm anxious to hear more about how carriers fit in to all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeekater View Post
    I'm guessing ships
    Fair enough, but Im still in doubt. What hes actually said is:

    "but when ever a fleet that is on an infinite order needs to return to port these ships will be used to replace them "(probably the fleet earlier reffered to)

    It can be interpreted both ways, But im hoping for individual ships too.
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    Cool, hopefully the little shiny icons for ships are not the only one to mod (18x18?)
    Hopefully there're some bigger ones where you can identify clearly the "model" or country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_brunius View Post
    Fair enough, but Im still in doubt. What hes actually said is:

    "but when ever a fleet that is on an infinite order needs to return to port these ships will be used to replace them "(probably the fleet earlier reffered to)

    It can be interpreted both ways, But im hoping for individual ships too.
    Ahhh, sounds great. Will be good to see a finely modelled Battle of the Atlantic.

    Starving out the UK, may even be possible now!

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    Wow! So ambitious, a part of me is wondering if a proper naval system is even possible. Ships, carriers, submarines, CAG, land-based sea recon/bombing... ughhh... I would give up. Paradox guys are pretty amazing.

    *What could be the reason for the design decision that ships cant upgrade guns? If its expensive and time consuming, why not? Many Italian and Japanese capital ships changed their main guns in the games time frame.

    *How about transforming cruisers/BB into carriers? This was fairly popular for the japanese and designed by the Germans and Italians. Sslightly cheaper than building one from scratch... with less planes and more armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    This is the final development diary before the holidays, and we’ll be back in the middle of January.
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    Here's two screenshots, since its christmas..
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    Hey you cant do that to us! As you said its Christmas!!!

    Its not too much to invest 15 minutes once in the week, just to keep us happy.
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    Wow I really like this naval system and can't wait to give it a try. Thanks Johan for the information and the extra screen shot.
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    As always another great update. Finally naval goodies!!!!!!!!!
    A question about carriers?
    1. Will carriers now have a more historical air group.
    2. Fighters(protection and escort)
    3. Bombers(attack on ships/bases/ports/cities)
    4. Torpedo planes(attack on ships)
    5. scouts(search for the enemy)
    6. The more modern the carrier the bigger the air group should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    Knowing an enemy fleet is in a sea zone is not enough to be able to engage it, the ocean is a big place and all you know is that a fleet is somewhere. You need to pinpoint the fleet’s location better than that if you wish to actually fight it.
    I dont get that. How would they discern that a fleet is in the sea zone without actually spotting it, and thus pinpointing its location?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaspar42 View Post
    I dont get that. How would they discern that a fleet is in the sea zone without actually spotting it, and thus pinpointing its location?
    Naval Intelligence could discern the approximate zone of operation for a ship/fleet. Then the spotter planes/fleets are sent out to pinpoint it.


    This re-affirms my earlier point about the importance of speed. Its needs to be implemented better in HOI3. It was a pretty useless factor in HOI2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaspar42 View Post
    I dont get that. How would they discern that a fleet is in the sea zone without actually spotting it, and thus pinpointing its location?
    Radar, commercial ships reporting enemy activity, etc.

    I suppose that means that even if the enemy fleet is known to be in a zone, it won't be immediately engaged once you send your battlegroup there - they'll have to poke around for them first.

    BTW, this whole patrol mechanic introduces an interesting tactic (provided the AI actually uses patrol/intercept orders) - using very fast Battlecruisers as commerce raiders is more viable, as they can presumably outrun the ships following them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaspar42 View Post
    I dont get that. How would they discern that a fleet is in the sea zone without actually spotting it, and thus pinpointing its location?
    Well, I guess intel and radio listening would be the only one. Also if it's spotted by aircraft from a capital ship, it might mean the fleets aren't close enough yet. It would be nice if cruisers were the best patrol boats now, as they were the smallest type of ship to have planes, and search radar wasn't very long ranged.


    The new management system sounds cool though, can't wait!

    BTW, I wonder if we can finally get properly priced destroyers? Since they are in flotillas, shouldn't they be generally more expensive than cruisers?

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    Interestingly we still know nothing about naval combat, duration at sea and how naval forces fit into the command structure. Cleverly done on Johan's part - distract us with pretty pictures

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