So your strategy is to inflict equal losses on the Soviets for every airplane you lose...????? That is not a recipe to win against a superior enemy!
Nuhbody evah said dem Sovies are Superior. GO USA! :rofl:
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Nuhbody evah said dem Sovies are Superior. GO USA! :rofl:
Uhg..too late + tired today to upload the stats, will do tomorrow.
Pulled my airforce back temporarily to repair. Only doing small runs over Japan, that is why the number of air battles dropped slightly.
Pulled my airforce back temporarily to repair. Only doing small runs over Japan, that is why the number of air battles dropped slightly.
Update tonight-this one hurts alot....
Stupid Soviets. How would Liberty Prime put it? 'Communism is the very definition of Failure'. Why can that not be so in my AAR?
Stupid Soviets. How would Liberty Prime put it? 'Communism is the very definition of Failure'. Why can that not be so in my AAR?
CBC World News – December 29th, 1959
December 29th, 1959
CBC World News
"The world today. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation now presents a summary of the all the important world news today. Reports from CBC correspondents by trans-America short wave radio, and the latest developments as received by the Canada's news room here in Ottawa. Tonight, we report on the latest news from Asia and around the world."
"Good evening, and thank you for tuning in. This is your host, Tommy Fourever, broadcasting to you live."
"A massive naval confrontation between the US and the Soviet Union has occurred in the waters off of Australia. The Soviet attack on the Australian port of Darwin initiated the conflict between the two navies, when two US carrier fleets moved in to attack the transport fleet supplying the beachhead. Here, the US Carrier fleet found themselves engaging roughly 60 vessels, including battleships, heavy cruisers, and support ships of various sizes. Soviet losses were staggering, with some 30 to 40 ships sunk."
"The main battle was thought to be over at this time, but it was just beginning. As the carrier planes returned to their ships, waves upon waves of Soviet aircraft launched from 14 carriers, which hid just outside US radar range. The 1st US Carrier Task Force was caught with many of her carrier planes refueling on the decks. A survivor brings us a very graphic report on the events."
"...not minutes earlier, we were celebrating on the deck, celebrating what we thought to be a decisive victory in the Pacific, if not the entire campaign against the Soviet Union. Why not? We had just sunk over a entire third of the Soviet surface fleet. A celebration short lived. When the alarm on the deck sounded, initially there was confusion, with the aircraft refueling and all. However, not to far off on the horizon, a dark swarm of aircraft appeared to the south, closing in fast....by the time many of us got to our aircraft, it was too late. Soviet anti-ship missiles streaked towards our ships. The USS Reprisal was the first to go. One of the missiles must have penetrated the weapons cache, because the ship exploded into a huge fireball. My brother had been on that ship, a true patriotic American, having fought since the war with Japan. That ship had alot of experienced crew...and almost all of them died in minutes. I mean, these men, some survived 20 years of war!...As I started my aircraft's engines, two missiles streaked towards our ship. One flew straight over my cockpit...thank God it missed. The other tore straight into the control tower. As I sleep, I can still see the men on fire as they jumped out of the tower to their deaths...the men in the water from the Wasp, struggling in the flame-covered waters as she went under..."
"The 1st US Carrier Task Force was hardest hit, losing all of her Carriers and battleships to the onslaught. One carrier had been left afloat by the time the 2nd Fleet got to her aid. However, both fleets were forced to retreat after suffering heavy losses. Soviet naval strike aircraft, based in Vietnam, managed to inflict heavy losses. It is suspected that the large fleet was to lure in the US fleet, in order to report the position of contact to land and carrier based aircraft."
"After the defeat of the US carrier fleets, Soviet Marines landed on the Philippine capital of Manila, meeting very little resistance. Many of the officials in the Philippine capital were Soviet sympathizers, and have been attempting to portray the Communist invaders as liberators from the Democratic imperialists. The Japanese garrison on the island has been cut off from supply, and has requested reinforcements from the United States."
"Such reinforcement, however, is unlikely to come. The US Army is currently swamped with demands from several theaters. A recent shipment of 45,000 soldiers arrived in Australia to meet the Soviet invasion force there. In a response to the titanic demands on US equipment and fighting power, the US government has authorized the issue of another draft. The new draft is supposed to meet the requirement of 180,000 men every two months, for the next year, exceeding one million soldiers over the next year. This has caused some dissent in some states who have lost a disproportionate amount of men compared to the rest of the country. Black Rights groups claim that the US government is choosing a disproportionate amount of black soldiers to enter the army, and feel as if their government acts as if their lives are expendable. Others, having the fear of fighting once again in the army, have decided to fleet the country. Many have chosen to flee to Europe, others to South America. While South American countries, as well as France and Great Britain, have decided to allow deserters into their country, Germany announced that any American deserters fleeing to their country will be turned in to the American Embassy in Berlin, and rightfully deported."
**Seriously, come on. Really! I lost an entire carrier fleet, while my 2nd lost half her ships and the rest seriously damage. My last remaining fleet is currently under construction, and will not be ready till around March. The Soviets are flooding into Australia, and it appears any new division I make will be heading there. Philippines are not worth the trouble at the moment, and my next report will show an invasion of Taiwan.**
December 29th, 1959
CBC World News
"The world today. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation now presents a summary of the all the important world news today. Reports from CBC correspondents by trans-America short wave radio, and the latest developments as received by the Canada's news room here in Ottawa. Tonight, we report on the latest news from Asia and around the world."
"Good evening, and thank you for tuning in. This is your host, Tommy Fourever, broadcasting to you live."
"A massive naval confrontation between the US and the Soviet Union has occurred in the waters off of Australia. The Soviet attack on the Australian port of Darwin initiated the conflict between the two navies, when two US carrier fleets moved in to attack the transport fleet supplying the beachhead. Here, the US Carrier fleet found themselves engaging roughly 60 vessels, including battleships, heavy cruisers, and support ships of various sizes. Soviet losses were staggering, with some 30 to 40 ships sunk."
"The main battle was thought to be over at this time, but it was just beginning. As the carrier planes returned to their ships, waves upon waves of Soviet aircraft launched from 14 carriers, which hid just outside US radar range. The 1st US Carrier Task Force was caught with many of her carrier planes refueling on the decks. A survivor brings us a very graphic report on the events."
"...not minutes earlier, we were celebrating on the deck, celebrating what we thought to be a decisive victory in the Pacific, if not the entire campaign against the Soviet Union. Why not? We had just sunk over a entire third of the Soviet surface fleet. A celebration short lived. When the alarm on the deck sounded, initially there was confusion, with the aircraft refueling and all. However, not to far off on the horizon, a dark swarm of aircraft appeared to the south, closing in fast....by the time many of us got to our aircraft, it was too late. Soviet anti-ship missiles streaked towards our ships. The USS Reprisal was the first to go. One of the missiles must have penetrated the weapons cache, because the ship exploded into a huge fireball. My brother had been on that ship, a true patriotic American, having fought since the war with Japan. That ship had alot of experienced crew...and almost all of them died in minutes. I mean, these men, some survived 20 years of war!...As I started my aircraft's engines, two missiles streaked towards our ship. One flew straight over my cockpit...thank God it missed. The other tore straight into the control tower. As I sleep, I can still see the men on fire as they jumped out of the tower to their deaths...the men in the water from the Wasp, struggling in the flame-covered waters as she went under..."
"The 1st US Carrier Task Force was hardest hit, losing all of her Carriers and battleships to the onslaught. One carrier had been left afloat by the time the 2nd Fleet got to her aid. However, both fleets were forced to retreat after suffering heavy losses. Soviet naval strike aircraft, based in Vietnam, managed to inflict heavy losses. It is suspected that the large fleet was to lure in the US fleet, in order to report the position of contact to land and carrier based aircraft."
"After the defeat of the US carrier fleets, Soviet Marines landed on the Philippine capital of Manila, meeting very little resistance. Many of the officials in the Philippine capital were Soviet sympathizers, and have been attempting to portray the Communist invaders as liberators from the Democratic imperialists. The Japanese garrison on the island has been cut off from supply, and has requested reinforcements from the United States."
"Such reinforcement, however, is unlikely to come. The US Army is currently swamped with demands from several theaters. A recent shipment of 45,000 soldiers arrived in Australia to meet the Soviet invasion force there. In a response to the titanic demands on US equipment and fighting power, the US government has authorized the issue of another draft. The new draft is supposed to meet the requirement of 180,000 men every two months, for the next year, exceeding one million soldiers over the next year. This has caused some dissent in some states who have lost a disproportionate amount of men compared to the rest of the country. Black Rights groups claim that the US government is choosing a disproportionate amount of black soldiers to enter the army, and feel as if their government acts as if their lives are expendable. Others, having the fear of fighting once again in the army, have decided to fleet the country. Many have chosen to flee to Europe, others to South America. While South American countries, as well as France and Great Britain, have decided to allow deserters into their country, Germany announced that any American deserters fleeing to their country will be turned in to the American Embassy in Berlin, and rightfully deported."
**Seriously, come on. Really! I lost an entire carrier fleet, while my 2nd lost half her ships and the rest seriously damage. My last remaining fleet is currently under construction, and will not be ready till around March. The Soviets are flooding into Australia, and it appears any new division I make will be heading there. Philippines are not worth the trouble at the moment, and my next report will show an invasion of Taiwan.**
Go Soviets! I mean Firestorm! Please don't kill me, Mr. Eisenhower.
Who is fail now, Liberty Prime?
I mean Firestorm! Please don't kill me, Mr. Eisenhower.Who is fail now, Liberty Prime?
Awesome!
I still can't believe that you're playing against the AI.
I only had once such a challenge ... but I modded the AI heavily in that case.
I still can't believe that you're playing against the AI.
I only had once such a challenge ... but I modded the AI heavily in that case.
Were you escorting the transports with the battle fleet? Did you come from the first battle straight into the second, without any break? If yes, that's an unlucky break.
Naval and air strategy should now rotate not on creating fleet battles, but on wiping out the enemy from the air through attrition, as by this time, the advantage of aerial control and long range missiles should be fully apparent. In game, this would be represented by complete focus on air forces, with Tacs and Fighters being first priority, and Navs (!) and Ints for aerial denial. With near-equivalent naval strategies, leveraging on situational aerial superiority and area denial versus enemy forces. Surface ships should be Cruiser and Escort Carrier based, to reduce visibility and vulnerability to enemy fire, and enabling the sharp application of naval air power through lengthened attrition and survival. This is not to ignore the capabilities of nuclear and modern diesel submarines to move enemy ships out of position for land movement. With regards to land strategy, wait it out, even if you lose the Asian defense lines, including Australia, but don't lose New Zealand. Eventually, there will be a war in Europe and Asia as both totalitarian regimes seek to extend their hegemony. The experience from air power knocking out opposition can be translated to ground targets, only their impact will be magnified if enemy troops are allowed to funnel through piecemeal, allowing the planes to get easy kills.
Naval and air strategy should now rotate not on creating fleet battles, but on wiping out the enemy from the air through attrition, as by this time, the advantage of aerial control and long range missiles should be fully apparent. In game, this would be represented by complete focus on air forces, with Tacs and Fighters being first priority, and Navs (!) and Ints for aerial denial. With near-equivalent naval strategies, leveraging on situational aerial superiority and area denial versus enemy forces. Surface ships should be Cruiser and Escort Carrier based, to reduce visibility and vulnerability to enemy fire, and enabling the sharp application of naval air power through lengthened attrition and survival. This is not to ignore the capabilities of nuclear and modern diesel submarines to move enemy ships out of position for land movement. With regards to land strategy, wait it out, even if you lose the Asian defense lines, including Australia, but don't lose New Zealand. Eventually, there will be a war in Europe and Asia as both totalitarian regimes seek to extend their hegemony. The experience from air power knocking out opposition can be translated to ground targets, only their impact will be magnified if enemy troops are allowed to funnel through piecemeal, allowing the planes to get easy kills.
CAS, Interceptors, Infantry, and some escorts (to protect my newer carriers) are on my build que. I delayed my nuclear reactor production to 42% to meet the increased demand. I am not far off from my next nuke, which will hit their reactors again.
@ZombieSlayer: Thanks. Now go kick SovietAmerika's rear for me please.
@ZombieSlayer: Thanks. Now go kick SovietAmerika's rear for me please.
Wow... things look horrible!!
That naval battle really did not help, an invasion of Australia, the Phillipines and NOW Taiwan?!
Sucks to be in the American military right now.
That naval battle really did not help, an invasion of Australia, the Phillipines and NOW Taiwan?!
Sucks to be in the American military right now.
I had just defeated the fleet, and I moved one sea-province over to finish it off. One of my fleets is slightly slower than the other - it has slightly older ships.
Understatement
Could have been a bad move IMO, but without knowing how damaged your ships were when you did that, I can't really say. I'd be very wary of trying to knock out a fleet when you gained such a smashing victory in the first encounter. Can't fault you for trying though, especially if you have loaded TPs nearby delivering troops.
I also think one of your problems the entire time was that you had BBs and CVs in the same fleet. BBs try to get as close as they can which screws up the Naval Combat for Carriers.
I don't get it. You're using Base Control, they're using Fleet-in-Being - and it's your ass that's kicked? Come on...
Come on...
Well, I do have bad eyes, but it appears that the Soviet carriers are IX while the US carriers are only VII or VIII (can't tell). That might have something to do with it.
Also, personaly I think you'll find the Philipines are probably more stratigic then Australia. Sure, Australia is a strong ally, but the Philipines is the key to controling the air and sea in the West Pacific.
Edit: Oh excuse me, are those CV Vs the US has!
Also, personaly I think you'll find the Philipines are probably more stratigic then Australia. Sure, Australia is a strong ally, but the Philipines is the key to controling the air and sea in the West Pacific.
Edit: Oh excuse me, are those CV Vs the US has!