General Discussion

[Helius]

Maybe this isn't the place for these suggestions since they're not exclusively connected to the HRE, but since you included river tolls in your mod -- which I really liked -- I was just wondering if you've thought about doing something similar for estuaries? Controlling provinces like Riga (Daugova), Memel (Neman), Danzig (Vistula), Hinterpommern (Oder) et cetera, could give you a similar bonus (probably higher though), and give such provinces more strategic values in war/conquering.

I also like that you made 'river tolls' into provincial decisions with both positive and negative effects, and not just an automatic bonus. I've been thinking along the same lines when it comes to the triggered effect of sound_toll to something similar, but divide it into two or three decisions representing different toll percentages. The higher percentage collected, the more it will annoy the neighboring countries.

EDIT: Something that definitely would add to the strategic value of these provinces would be to remove the entire bonus for the owner if the province is occupied, and give the occupier half of it. If the province is returned to the owner at the conclusion of the war, the bonus comes back. If the province is ceeded to the occupier, there's no bonus, but the provincial desicion to reinstate the toll is again available.

That is an interesting idea, but may be overvaluing those provinces. The point of the river tolls is that they are a big trade-off, plus they affect the neighbor provinces. But anyone along the river can collect a toll.

In the case of controlling port/river mouth provinces, that would not be the same balance. What kinds of values and conditions for modifiers did you have in mind, anyway?

[Mukashi]

"IMA_votes", a variable kept in the EMP country (going back to the code, you need more yes votes than no votes, so any value of 0 or above will do, as long as all conveners have voted.

My next update will take up a suggestion made here to keep the modifier in the Emperor's capital set for as long as it takes to make this decision, to avoid confusion.

Any modifier allowing you to track things related to votes on Imperial Decisions, in particular this one with the Army, would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: While I think of it, I'd also like to suggest that the "Establish Recruiting Center" decision also be able to be hidden via a national decision, as per a March. It has the potential to get rather spammy.

EDIT2: Would it also be possible to implement something so that the vote comes to an end when a majority of conveners have agreed to the proposal, and if a certain amount of time has already passed? I currently have IMA_votes=11.000, and given that this was first proposed in 1474, and it's now 1539, it seems a little long for the HRE to have been waffling over the issue.

EDIT3: There might be a possible issue here after all. Just went through the save file, and the only convener to not have IMA_vote_cast=yes is my own nation, Austria. That seems rather odd. Linking back to the previously discussed issue about not getting to vote, perhaps?

EDIT4: A totally unrelated issue now, this one is just plain weird. Got the event "The Imperial Demesne" for Venezia....a century or so after it'd been conquered and added to the Demesne by event. Oo;;

[Mukashi]

I feel a little silly making so many edits to that post, so I'll split this to a new one now that I've got something a little more firm. ^^;;;

Still regarding the issue with the Imperial Army, I went and fired it off manually, just so I could continue playing and testing. Of the requirements, only one wasn't a green *. That one...looked a bit weird when it came out in the console.

(*)Known Country:
Austria does NOT exist
Do NOT have the country flag 'convener'
Is the Emperor of the HRE
Have the country flag 'IMA_vote_cast"

If I'm reading that right, it'd only fire if I wasn't Austria, wasn't a convener, was the emperor and had that flag on my country. That doesn't sound right. ^^;;;

[Helius]

Actually, the code is correct. The event should fire for you, if no country can be found that matches all these criteria
- exists
- is convener
- has not voted
- is not Emperor

Since you ARE Emperor, it should not prevent the event from firing.

Did you have the global flag "HRE_reformation_war"?

Try this code:

# feedback- approved - no strings attached

country_event = {
	id = 287043
	major = yes
	trigger = {
		is_emperor = yes
		EMP = {
			has_country_flag = IMA_pending
			NOT = { has_country_flag = reichsregiment }
			NOT = { check_variable = { which = demand_for_reichsregiment value = 6 } }
			check_variable = { which = IMA_votes value = 0 }
		}
		NOT = { has_global_flag = HRE_reformation_war }
	}
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 6
		modifier = {
			factor = 100
			hre_region = {
				NOT = { owned_by = THIS }
				owner = {
					has_country_flag = convener
					NOT = { has_country_flag = IMA_vote_cast }
				}
			}
		}
	}
	title = "RTAPPROV"
	desc = "EVTDESC287043"
	immediate = { EMP = { clr_country_flag = IMA_pending } }
	option = {						#Execute
		name = "GOOD2"
		ai_chance = { factor = 100 }
		set_global_flag = enabled_IMA
		prestige = 0.05
		change_variable = { which = hre_standing value = 10 }
		EMP = {
			relation = { who = THIS value = 10 }
			prestige = 0.03
		}
		capital_scope = { remove_province_modifier = institution_pending }
	}
}

# feedback - demand for reichsregiment

country_event = {
	id = 287044
	trigger = {
		is_emperor = yes
		EMP = {
			has_country_flag = IMA_pending
			NOT = { has_country_flag = reichsregiment }
			check_variable = { which = demand_for_reichsregiment value = 6 }
			check_variable = { which = IMA_votes value = 0 }
		}
		NOT = { has_global_flag = HRE_reformation_war }
	}
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 6
		modifier = {
			factor = 100
			hre_region = {
				NOT = { owned_by = THIS }
				owner = {
					has_country_flag = convener
					NOT = { has_country_flag = IMA_vote_cast }
				}
			}
		}
	}
	title = "EVTNAME287044"
	desc = "EVTDESC287044"
	immediate = { EMP = { clr_country_flag = IMA_pending } }
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA287044"
		ai_chance = { factor = 100 }
		set_global_flag = enabled_IMA
		prestige = 0.05
		change_variable = { which = hre_standing value = 10 }
		EMP = {
			relation = { who = THIS value = 10 }
			set_country_flag = reichsregiment
			prestige = 0.03
			add_country_modifier = {
				name = "reichsregiment"
				duration = -1
			}
		}
		1757 = {
			add_province_modifier = {
				name = "rrg_established"
				duration = -1
			}
		}
		capital_scope = { remove_province_modifier = institution_pending }
		any_country = {
			limit = { ai = no has_country_flag = notify_hre }
			country_event = 285751
		}
	}
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTB287044"
		ai_chance = { factor = 0 }
		prestige = -0.1
		change_variable = { which = hre_standing value = -10 }
		EMP = {
			relation = { who = THIS value = -10 }
			prestige = -0.3
			set_country_flag = reichsregiment_refused
		}
		capital_scope = { remove_province_modifier = institution_pending }
		set_country_flag = reichsregiment_refused
	}
}

[Helius]

EDIT: While I think of it, I'd also like to suggest that the "Establish Recruiting Center" decision also be able to be hidden via a national decision, as per a March. It has the potential to get rather spammy.

Isn't that a once-per-country decision? Like "Embassy"? I tended to treat those with the maxim, "just do it once, and you'll never have to bother again".
Is there a good reason NOT to want to establish a recruiting center, anywhere, ever?

EDIT4: A totally unrelated issue now, this one is just plain weird. Got the event "The Imperial Demesne" for Venezia....a century or so after it'd been conquered and added to the Demesne by event. Oo;;

That must be the case because the original modifier had expired, but the province had not become your core, yet. So it had to be reset.

[Mukashi]

Actually, the code is correct. The event should fire for you, if no country can be found that matches all these criteria
- exists
- is convener
- has not voted
- is not Emperor

Since you ARE Emperor, it should not prevent the event from firing.

Did you have the global flag "HRE_reformation_war"?

I prevented the war in this game. Have the following global flags related to it. I'll put that code in and see if it makes a difference.
HRE_reformation_emperor_catholic=yes
HRE_reformation_final=yes
HRE_reformation_first_response=yes
HRE_reformation_second_response=yes

Isn't that a once-per-country decision? Like "Embassy"? I tended to treat those with the maxim, "just do it once, and you'll never have to bother again".
Is there a good reason NOT to want to establish a recruiting center, anywhere, ever?

Hmm...you know, I'm not sure now. From what I remember of my previous grand campaign, it wasn't a once-per-country decision, but I'm not certain now. I'll have to take a look and get back to you.

EDIT: Well damn, it was a once-per-country decision. I'd been holding off due to not wanting to increase revolt risk, but I see now I shouldn't have bothered. ^^;;; That'll teach me for playing while sick and out of it. ^^;;;

That must be the case because the original modifier had expired, but the province had not become your core, yet. So it had to be reset.

Ahh, okay. That makes sense.

[Mukashi]

Apologies for the double post, but with the time gap between them, it felt a little silly to just edit the post above. ^^;;;

Haven't had much chance to play for the last little bit, but I've still failed to get this event to fire. I'm more and more convinced it's something I've done wrong somewhere however, given that a friend of mine playing their own game had the event fire with no difficulties, and within a relatively short timeframe.

[Helius]

Still weird, though, considering you have all the flags in place.

[truth is life]

Just a quick question, why isn't it possible to enforce Protestantism on the Empire if you win decisively/negotiate very well in the interconfessional wars? And what is the "Reichsverweser" mentioned in the peace conference proposals? Wikipedia claims it means "regent" which isn't very helpful.

[Helius]

You can make sure that Protestant princes dominate the institutions of the Empire, but you cannot make it the official religion. First, which one would it be? Calvinism or Lutheranism? Second, I am not aware that any Protestant ruler ever suggested this - it was basically a matter of "The One True Faith" vs. "Cuis Regio, Eius Religio."

The Wiki definition is wrong. A Reichsverweser basically means the same thing as a Stadholder; someone who rules in the stead of the monarch, because there is no legitimate heir available.

For that reason, I used "Acting Emperor" as the English translation in some event texts.

[truth is life]

First, which one would it be? Calvinism or Lutheranism?

I figured it would be the religion of the player's country, or the leader of the Protestant side, but you're right; which one? Maybe there could be yet another interconfessional war if someone chose to do this, except this time pitting Lutherans versus Calvinists?

Second, I am not aware that any Protestant ruler ever suggested this - it was basically a matter of "The One True Faith" vs. "Cuis Regio, Eius Religio."

Well, I was imagining an ahistorical situation where Protestants were much stronger in the Empire than they were historically--eg., Austria had converted (very, very, very unlikely, I know), or the Protestants had won decisively earlier, or the Church responded slowly or something of that sort. In that case, it seems reasonable that a Protestant, faced with the second Catholic uprising in a few decades, and either decisively winning or very skilled in negotiations might want to impose Protestantism as the Imperial religion.

The Wiki definition is wrong. A Reichsverweser basically means the same thing as a Stadholder; someone who rules in the stead of the monarch, because there is no legitimate heir available.

Ah, thanks, that makes more sense. What does that mean in the context of Imperial leadership?

[Helius]

I did have the option of a Protestant state-religion in the Empire, in an earlier version of the mod; but decided it did not really make sense, and just looked 'off', plausibility-wise.

A Reichsverweser would mean that you get an OPM as hereditary Emperor, with pretty high Imperial Power, since he would have to respect the authority of a Parliament elected (partly) by the people. That kind of legitimacy would do much to strengthen the legitimacy of the Empire.

[Helius]

I have uploaded a new version of the mod, containing mostly bugfixes (much needed ones, though).
Backward compatability should not be a problem.

[invertigo2004]

I downloaded & installed this mod 2 days ago as a way of reinvigorating my interest in EUIII -- I've been on at least a 1 year hiatus -- and so far I'm enjoying it immensely. So let me first say thank you to everybody who had a hand in creating it -- Great Work!

I'm playing as Castille and monitoring the HRE, and so far the only problem I've had is waiting for truces to expire. I fought a war with Granada that ended in September of 1405, and it's now July 1415 and the truce is still in place, so I can't complete the reconquista. IIRC, truces lasted 5 years, and despite a lot of searching through gamefiles and these forums, I cannot find any reference to the altering of truce length. Is it part of this mod, or part of some patch and I've missed it? More importantly, how long do truces last now?

[Helius]

Twelve years. Sorry not to have documented that important bit of information. This is to slow down expansion, in general. If you think it's too long, the length of truces is defined in [euiii_root]/mod/SRI/common/defines.txt

[jdrou]

This was added in 3.2b (Nov 27). Are you patched to that? If so, please report this in the general bug forum, as well (and let me know, too, please).

I see you've replaced this trigger out in the latest version. I don't see is_vassal mentioned anywhere in the patch notes and I also don't see it inside the eu3game.exe. As said earlier it would seem to be redundant since we already had is_subject. Maybe you were thinking of the new overlord_of trigger?

[Ignudo]

I have a rather general question regarding SRI. So far I was only playing MMP but I'm getting a little bored by the lack of expansion-dynamic that seems to be inherent to this mod. Most importantly the superpowers of the EU timeframe don't do very well. Mostly there's no eastern expansion of austria, unification of britain and most annoying of all france doesn't even achieve to unify french lands (famous coexistence of brittany for centuries). The lack of dynamic in the HRE is a whole other story as it ensures that it is not eaten up by neighbouring powers as in vanilla.
Given that SRI focusses on the HRE and therefore doesn't intervene that much with the vanilla game mechanics I would expect the European powers to perform substantially better. I'm wondering if the community can support this suggestion. It would be very interesting to see some hands-off game outcomes. This could also help Helius in his (heroic) attempt to improve the AI (empire maps of actual games would also be nice).

Here are four issues I consider very crucial for a plausible game (of course that doesn't mean they should always materialize)

- a unified GB including Ireland
- unified France
- strong Austria
- Netherlands forming sometimes
- Russia expanding eastwards (actually this never seems to happen in MMP)
- plausible Colonization (this usually works best among the listed issues in MMP)

[Helius]

I think I will start a new thread, "Post your SRI/AI Mod Empires", for hands-off and hands-on games. If anyone beats me to the punch, go for it, since it might be a while before I get to it.

[Mukashi]

Very odd error that I'm noticing, continuing my old save game with the latest version.

A number of small HRE states that I've noticed, when their king dies, are being treated as if they were a completely new revolter state coming from a larger HRE member (including something in the logs about them declaring independance), even though the only relationship here is an alliance and royal marriage at most. This does trigger events such as checking what the "new" country wants to do with the jews, and so forth.

[Helius]

Odd. Before this happens, do you see any event firing in those minor states? You might have to scroll back a few lines in the log.