German Freedom and German Greatness: The Legacy of Gustav Stresemann

**Faeelin** · 06-06-2008 05:26

“One should not worry about the methods so long as one is moving forward. For in the end success decides which methods are right. Do no doubt the goal of our foreign policy: German freedom and German greatness.”-Gustav Stresemann, 1927

**diziziz** · 06-06-2008 05:35

Isn't Gustav Stresemann dead in 1936?

**discovery1** · 06-06-2008 05:43

Moving this one to HoI2 too eh?

Nifty; I'm interested in seeing what you are going to do with this since HoI2 is best for military matters while being weak in political ones.

Was it you that once said that even a liberal democratic Germany would seek revenge? It was someone on alternatehistory.com but I forget who..

**Faeelin** · 06-06-2008 05:45

Originally Posted by diziziz

Isn't Gustav Stresemann dead in 1936?

Normally, yes. In this timeline, he didn't.

**discovery1** · 06-06-2008 05:45

Originally Posted by diziziz

Isn't Gustav Stresemann dead in 1936?

That's the point of departure, or at least one of them.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...splay.php?f=16

It's in there somewhere.

Edit:

It just occurred to me that GER is allied to France and the UK in that screen shot. Now how did that happen? Aside from integrating the steel industries and such.

**Faeelin** · 06-06-2008 18:01

Originally Posted by discovery1

It just occurred to me that GER is allied to France and the UK in that screen shot. Now how did that happen? Aside from integrating the steel industries and such.

Bwahaha.

Let's just say the disarmament conferences of the 1930s went a tad differently.

**Lord Finnish** · 06-06-2008 19:52

So..... What you're going to do? Democratic Germany doesn't leave much options to choose from.

**germanpeon** · 06-06-2008 20:23

A war against communism or fascism would be TOO easy with Germany in the Allies.

**Kabraloth** · 06-06-2008 20:47

Nice. Wrong flag, though.

**Faeelin** · 06-06-2008 21:04

Originally Posted by Kabraloth

Nice. Wrong flag, though.

Not necessarily. Stresemann liked both flags, since both were heirs, in his belief, to two stands of Germany's heritage, of which people should be proud. So a change isn't out of the question.

Nice try though.

**Faeelin** · 06-06-2008 21:07

Originally Posted by germanpeon

A war against communism or fascism would be TOO easy with Germany in the Allies.

There are a couple of house rules, to make it harder; like locks on bombers for the allies until 1938. Once I figure out how to lock techs, anyway.

But does anyone seriously think a player will lose?

**Enewald** · 06-06-2008 21:16

Hmm... liberals... eww...
maybe you could tell us how it ended like this?
Surely it can not be that the commies and nazis just decided to kill eachother?

**robou** · 06-06-2008 21:50

I have just done an exam on good old Gustav today...i think he is great. However, surely Germany's ride through the Great depression would have been better with him at the helm (pity he died about a month before the Wall Street Crash) and things would have fanned out differently, but these are menial matters. Do continue good sir!

**Ziggyrunner08** · 06-06-2008 21:57

Go Gustav!!!!!!!!!

I'll be following this!

**Tigey** · 06-06-2008 22:09

Originally Posted by Faeelin

There are a couple of house rules, to make it harder; like locks on bombers for the allies until 1938. Once I figure out how to lock techs, anyway.

This can be done relatively easily through some minor savegame editting: just add the relevant id numbers for each tech that you want each country to avoid researching to the line 'deactivate = { }' under each country entry in the savegame.

Whe you want the tech to be researchable again, you can remove it from the 'deactivate' line.

**dublish** · 06-06-2008 23:18

Originally Posted by Faeelin

But does anyone seriously think a player will lose?

No, but it's a fair bit more entertaining if the possibility exists.

Has Germany's good (I assume) behavior up to this point allowed them to reoccupy the Rheinland?

EDIT: *squints* And did France build the Maginot Line anyway?

**trekaddict** · 06-06-2008 23:27

Originally Posted by dublish

No, but it's a fair bit more entertaining if the possibility exists.

Has Germany's good (I assume) behavior up to this point allowed them to reoccupy the Rheinland?

EDIT: *squints* And did France build the Maginot Line anyway?

Re Maginot Line: They are French, and they'll never trust the Germans farther than they can throw them, at least not yet. However I presume that in the TL the Maginot Line is considerably weaker, given teh smaller threat from Germany.

**Kurt_Steiner** · 07-06-2008 00:40

Curious start... let's see what comes next. Evertyhing else but from Germany is as usual in 1936?

**Faeelin** · 07-06-2008 01:32

Originally Posted by robou

I have just done an exam on good old Gustav today...i think he is great. However, surely Germany's ride through the Great depression would have been better with him at the helm (pity he died about a month before the Wall Street Crash) and things would have fanned out differently, but these are menial matters. Do continue good sir!

Oh, I agree, and they do. Hence, he comes to power.

(As opposed to fleeing to America).

EDIT: *squints* And did France build the Maginot Line anyway

They started the Rhineland in response to the success of the Young Plan, whereby they got a better deal on reparations, and Germany got French troops out of the Rhineland. So, in my opinion nothing much changes.

**Faeelin** · 07-06-2008 01:56

Originally Posted by Enewald

Hmm... liberals... eww...
maybe you could tell us how it ended like this?
Surely it can not be that the commies and nazis just decided to kill eachother?

It all begins with turning Thoiry into practice...

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